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ZOMGTROUSERS! Halo 3: ODST isn't in HD photo

Apparently, this is something to make a big deal over, but Halo 3: ODST will not be in HD. Perhaps this is because Halo 3: ODST is based on Halo 3, which also did not run at 720p. Despite this blatantly obvious fact, people are still apparently surprised about this, especially given that the game's visuals impressed a fair few people.

"Everything that existed in Halo 3’s engine was there from the beginning." says senior designer Lars Bakken. "So the graphical differences that you’re seeing in ODST is really testament to the artists, because they were able to just take the tools that we had from the beginning, and just make awesome looking stuff."

At first, Bakken seems unwilling to admit that ODST isn't in HD, simply saying that the game is "the same as Halo 3." When specifically asked if this meant it would run at less than 1280x720, he responded with, "Yes, exactly."

So there you go. Not everything really has to be in HD to look good, as Call of Duty 4 has adequately shown, but nevertheless this is something that someone's going to care about, somewhere. He probably owns a PlayStation 3 and is on a message board right now, telling everyone that Halo 3: ODST definitely sucks now.








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pd771's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:01
pd771
you would think there would have been a way for them to do it, but whatever. Graphics do not make a game.
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:04
covah
I feel a lot of games are the same way, we just don't know it.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:04
Jon B
The only opinion I have of this is about the horrible aliasing issues that plagued Halo 3 as a result.

And even then, I don't give much of a shit about that.
DCDerekUSA's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:05
DCDerekUSA
I just think it's weird considering how EVERYTHING is in HD now. I just think it's being lazy on their part because they certainly have the budget to do it and I don't see a reason why they did not pursue it. Either way it will probably be a good game.
bunnymud's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:12
bunnymud
Is Nathan still in it? Yes? Non-issue then.


Now excuse me....I'm going to get pedo over Leaglly Blonds
Br0th3rGr1mm's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:13
Br0th3rGr1mm
They can't redesign the engine...it's an ADD on not a new game.

Besides, it's an FPS, you are not admiring the stunning visuals while playing it....
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:14
Monodi
LOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:17
Jon B
@DCDerekUSA
You'd be suprised. Most things are in fact upscaled.
Super Drybones's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:17
Super Drybones
Not everything needs to be in HD to be good. And I bet about half the people on this site don't even own a HD TV.
ViewFinder's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:22
ViewFinder
I'll be fine with it, game really doesn't need to be HD. Though they should stop overusing that damn bloom filter.
Crackpot's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:23
Crackpot
Bungie: No HD for YOU!

Me: Meh...
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:24
John B
Wow. But if this was on the Wii, everyone would be slamming it left and right because of the jaggies.
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:26
pascuz46
I had no idea that Halo 3 was not in atleast 720 and Im surprised that they did not make the resolution leap up with ODST. Either way the graphics for Halo 3 (IMO) didn't look all that good, however I like Bungie's art style and character models. I wonder if Halo Reach will have a higher resolution, but if your halo you dont need to push the hardware to prove a point. You'll sell a shit load of units anyways.
matt2005usaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:40
matt2005usaf
Wow Jim Sterling...you're such a fanboy. I don't know why I even signed up for this site. Everything on this site is pro-360 and Jim Sterling takes every chance he gets to back SONY and PS3 fans. What a Bag-O-Douche!
matt2005usaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:41
matt2005usaf
Wow Jim Sterling...you're such a fanboy. I don't know why I even signed up for this site. Everything on this site is pro-360 and Jim Sterling takes every chance he gets to attack SONY and PS3 fans. What a Bag-O-Douche!
invader alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:43
invader alex
Moar Halo 3: wii amirite,
okay i go shut up now...
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:49
pedrovay2003
@ matt2005usaf

I don't know why you signed up for this site, either. Come back when you have something worthwhile to say. (I don't expect to see you again.)

As for the story, the graphics indeed to not make the game, and the visuals in ODST look great, anyway. I don't know why they couldn't go completely HD with that and Halo 3 from the start, though, seeing as how that's what the console pushes. Maybe I missed a story on that in the past.

@John B

I agree completely. We've seen it happen before. :(
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:51
pedrovay2003
*...indeed do not make the game. Sorry.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:54
Mr Andy Dixon
@matt2005usaf

You've obviously spent about 12 seconds perusing the site, so your argument is 100% valid. (That was sarcasm in case you couldn't figure it out.) Read Jim's article detailing why Killzome 2 was better than Halo 3 and then decide whether or not you are in fact a retarded person.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:56
Mr Andy Dixon
*KillzoNe.

Goddamn "smart" phone keyboard.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 16:56
hpv
Since buying a PS3 a couple years ago I've been a Sony fanboy for the firat time since they entered the console business. I absolutely can't stand Halo and thought Halo 3 was poor artistically and nothing special technically.

But who the fuck cares if it's rendered at 720p or upscaled a little bit? I was watching a 480p show off of PSN the other day (one of those free ones, but the show was shit so I don't remember which) and you know what? It looked absolutely fine. In fact I'd say it looked pretty fucking great.

It's like my teacher back in art school always said: if it looks good it IS good.

I don't happen to think ODST looks good, it's probably the ugliest game I've ever seen people call pretty, though it has stiff competiton from Prince of Persia (2008). But that's got nothing to do with the resolution. It'd look shit at 1600p.

It's funny that you idiots would think PS3 users would be jumping all over this when the only time I remember that happening was when the Microsoft fanboys (inconceivable that they can exist, but they do) got all worked up that GTA4 was rendering at 520p or whatever on PS3.
Midgetsnowman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 17:01
Midgetsnowman
@hpv: you'd be suprised. The other night there was a topic on the ps3 board at gamefaqs where people acted like it was a given that all games not on an HDTV looked like shit and that you shouldnt even have bothered upgrading from a ps2 to a ps3/360 if you didnt have an HDTV
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 17:02
BattyAdroit
What does owning a ps3 have to do with the new Halo being sub 720p?

I don't get it.
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 17:09
Doos
Anyone who pays $69.99 for Halo: ODST deserves a punch in the nuts.
FinnE's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 17:13
FinnE
Though graphics don't make a good game they certainly don't hurt. I'm pretty sure there isn't a person in the world who could cite an example where a game would have been better if the graphics were worse. I can understand that since Halo 3: ODST is an FPS and because of that a developer would rather stress a consistent frame-rate as opposed to beautiful graphics, I don't think 720P is that much of a stretch. Now, I'm no developer, but it seems like with the budget given to Bungie for games like this that achieving both a 720P resolution AND a consistent frame-rate isn't a difficult thing to do.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 17:14
Holyetheline
CoD4 did a great job at having amazing graphics. Halo 3's graphics are alright too...
Midgetsnowman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 17:19
Midgetsnowman
@FinnE: while thats true, at the same time, HD isnt nearly as important to a gameplay experience as some people thing it is. Is it nice? sure. But I've yet to see a game that was impossible to make simply because you needed an HDTV to do it rite
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 17:19
GoldenGamerXero
I can't actually tell the difference between something that's in HD and something well made in non-HD. HD does not imidiately make a game look any better than a non-HD game. Bad design and lots of brown look crappy on any TV!

@BattyAdroit

To real people nothing. To the fanboys (*cough*matt2005suaf*cough*) everything aparently...
Calamansi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 17:43
Calamansi
My primary complaint with Halo and Bungie is the online. Why the matchmaking playlist Bullshit? Why not set up servers and let players join the servers they want and play matches with game types that actually use all of the games weapons and vehicles?

I guess it's just easier to spoon feed content with matchmaking.


As for the inevitable custom games argument that gets brought up, well it takes way more effort then it should to get a decent match going and why should the player have to go through so much effort in order to utilize all of the games weapons and equipment?

they could at the very least allow you to browse custom games on a list or something.

I guess you must buy all the DLC in order to use the weapons and vehicles that shipped with the game.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 18:04
vexed alex
@brainderailment: Worst looking games on the 360?

You're entitled to your very wrong opinion, sir.
rsquad's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 18:39
rsquad
Halo 3: ODST definitely sucks now.


j/k.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 18:58
Monodi
@GoldenGamerXero

That's why I find all this so hilarious, is like those hypocrites feeling the "taste and crisp" of bottled water from different brands.
yegon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 19:04
yegon
Couldn't give a monkeys tbh. So long as the combat is Halo stylee, me happy.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 19:35
Sharpless
@matt2005usaf
My God, you're an idiot.
Anjelus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 19:52
Anjelus
I didn't know anybody was actually EXPECTING ODST to be in HD. It's a spruced up expansion of Halo 3, Halo 3 wasn't in HD. Seems obvious enough.
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 21:06
GohanGVO
I am knocking off four bananas from this game's review score due to this TRAVESTY.

BTW, my review scale ranges from snickerdoodles to Steve Urkel.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 21:11
ajaxender
@Calamansi - Theres a number of problems with servers for Halo 3, or any popular multiplayer console game. These are:
- They have to go through Xbox Live or PSN. That means that users cant do it themselves, it has to be the company thats running the game, since they'd have to clear everything with MS/Sony. And chances are, MS wants people to use Matchmaking.
- Theres a ton of players for most of these games, so theyd need an unfeasible amount of servers. They'd also need to put them all over the world, and admin them correctly.
- What gametypes would actually be played? How many servers for each gametype in each country, do we need servers for some particular gametype? If no, what if people then decide they do want it? Considering how much the local PC Team Fortress 2 servers change, this must be quite a pain for admins. On a world scale, I'd just give up...
- PC games get away with it because they can allow the communities to run the servers themselves. Even then, there are issues with what gametypes servers should run, and how many you need. It can take hours, sometimes, to get into the TF2 game I want, because everyone else wants to join it too. This, I think, is why MS has Matchmaking and local hosting; it has its own issues, but its relatively fast (unless you're very unlucky) and its very easy, not confusing at all for the average kid or casual player.

I'd agree with you %100 about that, if it were feasible. Is why I play on PC, if possible.


Back on topic: Remember, people, every little thing you do to try and make the game look better takes up resources of the console. Bungie clearly put a fair bit of effort into making 4-player co-op work fine, and considering you can get some frame-rate drops in 2-player, thats probably the reason the resolution is a bit low. Whether they could have done better, or not, I dont really know, but I dont notice it much, so I dont care.
michaelb99's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 21:12
michaelb99
NO HD!?!?!? but everybody knows graphix are the only reason we play games
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 22:03
Chronic Logic
WHY NOT? IT MUST BE IN HD, OTHEREWISE IT'LL Be JUST LIKE HALO 3!
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 22:34
wanderingpixel
I don't even have a HDTV. So whatever.
otogi guy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 23:29
otogi guy
Halo3 was never in HD!? dammmit, hundreds of hours wasted
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/24/2009 23:35
Darren Nakamura
...I didn't even know Halo 3 wasn't in full 720p.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/25/2009 02:35
Timmeh
Big deal, there are plenty of games that run in less than 720p and certainly a lot that don't run in 1080p. The whole 'HD console' thing this generation is a con anyway.
Arkhon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 00:36
Arkhon
Art is more important to me than resolution. And I love the art design in Halo 3, as well as what I've seen of Halo 3: ODST.
dirtyd89's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 02:41
dirtyd89
I wasn't gonna get Halo 3: ODST to begin with.
I'm just fine with Halo 3 right now.
Microsoft/Bungie are just milking the franchise way way too much.
Look how many Halo games are announced so far.
---Halo 3: ODST (Fall 2009)
---Halo: Reach (Fall 2010)
---Halo: Legends (Fall 2009)
Not saying Halo isn't good but sometimes you gotta know when to stop and move on to other things.
Perhaps Microsoft will continue making Halo games but Bungie might make multiplatform games.
edkrs's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2009 22:51
edkrs
@dirtyd89
wtf dude, the games are awsome, and people love playing them, so there should be no reason to complain. (btw halo: legends is a group of anime shorts expanding the halo storyline. look ur facts up before u criticize them u dumbass.
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