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I use my PS3 as a media server, so to have this is a crucial bit of good news I would take into account once I can justify getting a second one.
Really Sony I'm still waiting for a $200 price point. I can go get a second blu Ray player for $98. I'm wanting the whole package obviously, but $300 is a price where I got to sit and REALLY justify it.
Really Sony I'm still waiting for a $200 price point. I can go get a second blu Ray player for $98. I'm wanting the whole package obviously, but $300 is a price where I got to sit and REALLY justify it.
That screw is a bitch to get out. One of my friends grinded his up so bad he will never be able to take out the HDD
Heres a pic of the new HDD opening.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/ps3-slim-unboxing2-dsc_0050-rm-eng.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/ps3-slim-unboxing2-dsc_0050-rm-eng.jpg
Cue The Reborn cuing all of us to ask about a legitimate concern . . .
Oh wait, he beat me here, didn't he? Has there been a PS3 post today without that guy saying something snarky?
Oh wait, he beat me here, didn't he? Has there been a PS3 post today without that guy saying something snarky?
WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT BC!?!
I'm not "teh hrdcore" so I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but with the one exception of the one guy who said his DualShock 2 can't reach his friggin' couch no one has seemed to provide any reason at all. None! Other than "I want it!"
I want it to cost $199 and come with a copy of Heavy Rain. Does that justify me to complain about it?
If that's your reason than great. Don't buy it. But why keep bringing it up?
I'm not "teh hrdcore" so I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but with the one exception of the one guy who said his DualShock 2 can't reach his friggin' couch no one has seemed to provide any reason at all. None! Other than "I want it!"
I want it to cost $199 and come with a copy of Heavy Rain. Does that justify me to complain about it?
If that's your reason than great. Don't buy it. But why keep bringing it up?
WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT BC!?!
I'm not "teh hrdcore" so I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but with the one exception of the one guy who said his DualShock 2 can't reach his friggin' couch no one has seemed to provide any reason at all. None! Other than "I want it!"
I want it to cost $199 and come with a copy of Heavy Rain. Does that justify me to complain about it?
If that's your reason than great. Don't buy it. But why keep bringing it up?
I'm not "teh hrdcore" so I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but with the one exception of the one guy who said his DualShock 2 can't reach his friggin' couch no one has seemed to provide any reason at all. None! Other than "I want it!"
I want it to cost $199 and come with a copy of Heavy Rain. Does that justify me to complain about it?
If that's your reason than great. Don't buy it. But why keep bringing it up?
WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT BC!?!
I'm not "teh hrdcore" so I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but with the one exception of the one guy who said his DualShock 2 can't reach his friggin' couch no one has seemed to provide any reason at all. None! Other than "I want it!"
I want it to cost $199 and came with a copy of Heavy Rain. Does that justify me to complain about it?
If that's your reason than great. Don't buy it. But why keep bringing it up?
I'm not "teh hrdcore" so I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but with the one exception of the one guy who said his DualShock 2 can't reach his friggin' couch no one has seemed to provide any reason at all. None! Other than "I want it!"
I want it to cost $199 and came with a copy of Heavy Rain. Does that justify me to complain about it?
If that's your reason than great. Don't buy it. But why keep bringing it up?
WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT BC!?!
I'm not "teh hrdcore" so I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but with the one exception of the one guy who said his DualShock 2 can't reach his friggin' couch no one has seemed to provide any reason at all. None! Other than "I want it!"
I want it to cost $199 and came with a copy of Heavy Rain. Does that justify me to complain about it?
If that's your reason than great. Don't buy it. But why keep bringing it up as if Sony owes it to you?
I'm not "teh hrdcore" so I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but with the one exception of the one guy who said his DualShock 2 can't reach his friggin' couch no one has seemed to provide any reason at all. None! Other than "I want it!"
I want it to cost $199 and came with a copy of Heavy Rain. Does that justify me to complain about it?
If that's your reason than great. Don't buy it. But why keep bringing it up as if Sony owes it to you?
Xzyliac: I have a launch pal ps3 with partial BC and I have only used it once. But that's mainly because all of my ps2 games are in my ps2's hard drive ;)
Ok, this was the only thing that kept me from getting the slim, now I'm getting the slim the first day I see it.
I don't understand why they couldn't have given us backwards compatibility since the productions costs are now "so low"
Aw, no "Install Other OS" option? Why not? That can't possibly require more space or technology. I really don't see a reason for removing it at all.
And yeah, the lack of BC sucks, but I didn't plan on buying one anyway. I already had a PS3 once, and didn't find a single game I enjoyed besides MGS4. Oh, and Everyday Shooter. But I can live without that.
And yeah, the lack of BC sucks, but I didn't plan on buying one anyway. I already had a PS3 once, and didn't find a single game I enjoyed besides MGS4. Oh, and Everyday Shooter. But I can live without that.
I apologize for my multiple-post. My 3G connection us fucking me over today. I feel like an ass. :(
@linuxguy
Yeah my PS2 is sitting snugly beside my 360 and Wii and soon my PS3. If I were to sell it I'd be lucky to get $50. What's the big deal?
May I also note that is it just me or does the Slim look shiny up close?
@linuxguy
Yeah my PS2 is sitting snugly beside my 360 and Wii and soon my PS3. If I were to sell it I'd be lucky to get $50. What's the big deal?
May I also note that is it just me or does the Slim look shiny up close?
@Xzyliac "WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT BC!?!":
1. It's the best-selling PC game of 2007.
2. Competitors (Nintendo and Microsoft) all support backwards compatability to various extents.
2. Statistically, there are more PS2 games floating around than there are Gamecube and original Xbox. This is the one console that should be backwards compatible.
3. Everything about the PS3 has gotten cheaper and easier to produce, apparently. Hence price cuts and a new model. This hasn't happened with BC technology? There are rumors of it even being done through a simple firmware update. How much would a lousy patch cost Sony? How difficult is an announcement, for Sony to say "Hey guys, get a PS3 slim! We're not adding BC with this update, but we're working on it for certain!"
I can get into more depth if that's not enough. We'll talk brand loyalty and customer validation, to which backwards compatability is a central part.
1. It's the best-selling PC game of 2007.
2. Competitors (Nintendo and Microsoft) all support backwards compatability to various extents.
2. Statistically, there are more PS2 games floating around than there are Gamecube and original Xbox. This is the one console that should be backwards compatible.
3. Everything about the PS3 has gotten cheaper and easier to produce, apparently. Hence price cuts and a new model. This hasn't happened with BC technology? There are rumors of it even being done through a simple firmware update. How much would a lousy patch cost Sony? How difficult is an announcement, for Sony to say "Hey guys, get a PS3 slim! We're not adding BC with this update, but we're working on it for certain!"
I can get into more depth if that's not enough. We'll talk brand loyalty and customer validation, to which backwards compatability is a central part.
With the proper screwdriver, its very easy. if you try to jam a different size one (larger or smaller) you are bound to break the screw.
@MountainGorilla
All very valid points but easily solved with one cheap purchase.
I'm not arguing Sony shouldn't have BC. What I'm arguing is why is that the focal point of so many complaints? It's such a tiny thing. I'm more concerned about overheating and shit like that than BC.
All very valid points but easily solved with one cheap purchase.
I'm not arguing Sony shouldn't have BC. What I'm arguing is why is that the focal point of so many complaints? It's such a tiny thing. I'm more concerned about overheating and shit like that than BC.
BC:
British Columbia
Burnt Chicken
Black Chicks
Big Cookie
Bald Cat
Bulging Crotch
Bright Colours
Brazil Chips
Benjamin Carmine
Brown Chair
Bad Company
British Columbia
Burnt Chicken
Black Chicks
Big Cookie
Bald Cat
Bulging Crotch
Bright Colours
Brazil Chips
Benjamin Carmine
Brown Chair
Bad Company
BC will be added eventually via a Firmware update. Which has been obvious since Sony filed patents on software that did exactly that, ala:
http://www.ps3attitude.com/new/2009/06/sony-patent-emotion-engine/
So, keep dreaming if you think they're coming out with another SKU that has the actual PS2 chipset inside. Should've gotten one at launch like I did.
http://www.ps3attitude.com/new/2009/06/sony-patent-emotion-engine/
So, keep dreaming if you think they're coming out with another SKU that has the actual PS2 chipset inside. Should've gotten one at launch like I did.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sony added the ability to download PS2 games right into the HDD this, especially now that MS allows it on the 360. Although, if its anything like PSN Classics, we will have to wait forever for decent games to be re-released.
@ Xzyliac
The reason it's so important is because it actually existed in this machine once before, and Sony decided to do away with it. It's nice to not have to have a bunch of consoles if you can condense them, and while EVERY console is capable of software backwards compatibility, we're still not getting it. I have a B/C 80gb, but it's still a concern, looking at possible future decisions.
The reason it's so important is because it actually existed in this machine once before, and Sony decided to do away with it. It's nice to not have to have a bunch of consoles if you can condense them, and while EVERY console is capable of software backwards compatibility, we're still not getting it. I have a B/C 80gb, but it's still a concern, looking at possible future decisions.
@Xzyliac "Why is BC the focal point of so many complaints?":
I think it's simply expected now. It's hard to double back on things that have become the norm. I remember when I found out that PS2 would play PSX games--that was something I'd never heard of and didn't expect, but it just made everything better. Nintendo couldn't do it that generation because they finally ditched cartridges, and Xbox was obviously brand new. But this time around, that became an industry standard.
Imagine if the PS3 only had two controllers locally. Everyone would just say "LAN up" or "Play online," but every multi-platform game with 4-player split screen would be getting the shaft. 4 is just the way it's done now.
Or think of it like this. The first cake was pretty awesome, but as soon as somebody put icing on that thing all bets were off. This is like Sony giving us a brick of spongy cake with no BC icing (albeit with other forms of icing, like free online, etc.). Maybe not the best example. Just trying to explain why BC is missed, at least by me.
And maybe I've been spoiled by PC gaming as well. It's pretty awesome to buy a brand new computer and still be able to run DOS games, or anything late '90s. Just like I don't want to keep a Windows 95 desktop around, I'd rather not keep an umpteenth console around.
In short, there are more valid reasons for BC than there are valid reasons for no BC. The question isn't "Why is it such a big deal?" but "Why is it so difficult for Sony to include after setting the standard?"
Also the cord barely reaches the couch.
I think it's simply expected now. It's hard to double back on things that have become the norm. I remember when I found out that PS2 would play PSX games--that was something I'd never heard of and didn't expect, but it just made everything better. Nintendo couldn't do it that generation because they finally ditched cartridges, and Xbox was obviously brand new. But this time around, that became an industry standard.
Imagine if the PS3 only had two controllers locally. Everyone would just say "LAN up" or "Play online," but every multi-platform game with 4-player split screen would be getting the shaft. 4 is just the way it's done now.
Or think of it like this. The first cake was pretty awesome, but as soon as somebody put icing on that thing all bets were off. This is like Sony giving us a brick of spongy cake with no BC icing (albeit with other forms of icing, like free online, etc.). Maybe not the best example. Just trying to explain why BC is missed, at least by me.
And maybe I've been spoiled by PC gaming as well. It's pretty awesome to buy a brand new computer and still be able to run DOS games, or anything late '90s. Just like I don't want to keep a Windows 95 desktop around, I'd rather not keep an umpteenth console around.
In short, there are more valid reasons for BC than there are valid reasons for no BC. The question isn't "Why is it such a big deal?" but "Why is it so difficult for Sony to include after setting the standard?"
Also the cord barely reaches the couch.
And all I want is for Sony to say "We're working on it and will have BC out shortly, via firmware or whatever," rather than waiting until two weeks before it comes out to even acknowledge it (like this new model). If anybody has a link to that, I'll buy my Slim on Septic-ember 1st.
@Xzyliac
I think I'm the guy you referred to who said the DS2 can't reach my couch. There are other perfectly good reasons to want BC. Like Pedro said, the desire to not have 15 consoles plugged in just so you can take advantage of your extensive game library. Also, what about the people who are buying the PS3 slim as their first ever Playstation? They will certainly wish they could play PS2 games but I doubt they'll care very much that the PS3 plays all the PS1 games.
Also, wasn't the Atari 7800 a running joke because it allowed BC for Atari 2600 games but not Atari 5200 games?
I think I'm the guy you referred to who said the DS2 can't reach my couch. There are other perfectly good reasons to want BC. Like Pedro said, the desire to not have 15 consoles plugged in just so you can take advantage of your extensive game library. Also, what about the people who are buying the PS3 slim as their first ever Playstation? They will certainly wish they could play PS2 games but I doubt they'll care very much that the PS3 plays all the PS1 games.
Also, wasn't the Atari 7800 a running joke because it allowed BC for Atari 2600 games but not Atari 5200 games?
The reason it should be a bigger concern than BC is because upgrading the hard drive is looking toward the future of the platform, while backwards compatibility is clinging to the past.
"That screw is a bitch to get out. One of my friends grinded his up so bad he will never be able to take out the HDD"
You're telling me? I had sweat running down my ass after I grinded that blue devil, but I was able to get the screw out by excessive force. Also there are tools to remove bad screws, at about 15 to 20 usd in your local tool store or whatever that is called.
You're telling me? I had sweat running down my ass after I grinded that blue devil, but I was able to get the screw out by excessive force. Also there are tools to remove bad screws, at about 15 to 20 usd in your local tool store or whatever that is called.
@MountainGorilla: Sony is only recently turning a small profit on their PS3 sales, which is why they can make a slim model with a few upgrades. Its still not enough to cover all of their financial issues though. For years the PS3 was a burden due to its high production cost.
The PS2 on the other hand is selling like there is no tomorrow, showing little signs of slowing down, which means it is saving Sony in terms of hardware sales. Basically PS2 units would have to drop dramatically in demand, for Sony to be convinced to add BC to PS3. They can do it, but there is way too much money to be made on PS2's.
The PS2 on the other hand is selling like there is no tomorrow, showing little signs of slowing down, which means it is saving Sony in terms of hardware sales. Basically PS2 units would have to drop dramatically in demand, for Sony to be convinced to add BC to PS3. They can do it, but there is way too much money to be made on PS2's.
Okay I see what you guys mean. I think icing on a cake isn't neccesarily going to better the cake (ironically I hate icing). It's an expected but unneccesary luxury to me. I guess that's BECAUSE everything else has BC that I don't mind having two Slims.
Maybe it's me and to each his own. Personally if like I had to have two monster sized Xboxes or two awkwardly shaped Nintendo consoles I'd be peeved but, and again this is me, it's two Slims. If it were two Phats or something that'd be different too.
I guess to each his own and whatever perfects the console. I too kind of wish they had it simply because the older ones do but it's certainly no dealbreaker.
Maybe it's me and to each his own. Personally if like I had to have two monster sized Xboxes or two awkwardly shaped Nintendo consoles I'd be peeved but, and again this is me, it's two Slims. If it were two Phats or something that'd be different too.
I guess to each his own and whatever perfects the console. I too kind of wish they had it simply because the older ones do but it's certainly no dealbreaker.
The biggest reason why I like BC on my PS3s is the fact that you can save game data onto the hard drive and never worry about memory cards.
Having less wiring to play games is better if it is unavoidable
(This is my first post btw)
Having less wiring to play games is better if it is unavoidable
(This is my first post btw)
I don't care about the PS2 or any of its games. If I did, I would own a PS2 and any games I cared about. There's enough good games on the PS3 for me to justify getting the Slim with its new price point, especially since I can replace the stock hard drive with any 2.5" SATA drive. I might even get an SSD after prices have dropped significantly. To the guy who said he'd try to get a terabyte HDD, don't bother, they don't have 1 TB 2.5" drives, and if they did, they'd be ridiculously expensive.
Sony encourages this?! That's surprising. I wish it was that easy for the 360, then no one would have to pay $140 ($160 after taxes) for a 120GB hard drive.
@Loogibot: That is a really good point about the PS2 still selling so well. I'm not a bigtime chart follower, so I guess I forgot or didn't realize that Sony really needed it so badly. I guess it is the cheapest console still getting games, right? Cheaper than the handhelds, even. The demographic that still buys PS2s just isn't really represented on the web, I guess, so it's no wonder I forgot.
Still, I wish Sony could just say "We'll add BC when PS2s stop selling." Lousy businesses and their sensible money making.
Still, I wish Sony could just say "We'll add BC when PS2s stop selling." Lousy businesses and their sensible money making.
While i myself have got the Launch 60GB PS3 with the Emotion Engine PS2 hardware built in. I'm also well aware that the PS2 is still selling as they're bringing games out for it. So in a way to increase profits you'd think they'd add BC because of the simple fact that the PS2 is THE highest selling video game console that we've seen, with 10 years under it's belt the PS2 is still great. So why not add BC to help increase the amount of sells the PS3 would have? It makes no buisness sense to say the least. My sister-in-law wanted a PS3 from watching me play games like inFAMOUS, MGS4, and a few others and she didn't want any of the new consoles, reason being is that she has a library of PS2 titles that she wanted to play so i had to search hard to find a 60GB PS3 with the full BC.
If the PS2 itself is what $99? Now the PS3 is $300 i think they could afford to install BC if they really tried or wanted to even via firmware update. Isn't that what they did when they brought dual shock back? They did a firmware update so that the previous games that didn't have vibration functionality would have it. So we'll see if they think that it's a smart buisness move.
Also i got rid of my PS2 when GameStop was having this "Trade in your PS2 and get $100 off your PS3." So i got the launch 60GB which was at $600 for $500 before taxes of course lol. The PS2 i had was just about done anyway, it's DVD tray was going out and figured better upgrade before it goes caput on me lol, anyway i think the PS3 will eventually win this console war but we got to just be paitent and see what Sony cooks up in it's firmware updates.....
If the PS2 itself is what $99? Now the PS3 is $300 i think they could afford to install BC if they really tried or wanted to even via firmware update. Isn't that what they did when they brought dual shock back? They did a firmware update so that the previous games that didn't have vibration functionality would have it. So we'll see if they think that it's a smart buisness move.
Also i got rid of my PS2 when GameStop was having this "Trade in your PS2 and get $100 off your PS3." So i got the launch 60GB which was at $600 for $500 before taxes of course lol. The PS2 i had was just about done anyway, it's DVD tray was going out and figured better upgrade before it goes caput on me lol, anyway i think the PS3 will eventually win this console war but we got to just be paitent and see what Sony cooks up in it's firmware updates.....
I have the now extinct 80gig model with BC, so I can live with the phatty PS3. It's basically like having the PS2 slim and PS33 slim stacked on top of each other. And I don't have to fire up 2 different consoles! THAT'S why BC is both awesome, and worth complaining about Sony removing from there latest models.
It's not the fact that there isn't BC that irks me, it's the fact that there was BC that functioned just fine, and then it was taken away.
It's not the fact that there isn't BC that irks me, it's the fact that there was BC that functioned just fine, and then it was taken away.
EXACTLY WHAT PAPPADUKES SAID.
If there was never any B/C to begin with, so many people would be fine with not having it now. But Sony dangled it in front of us, gave us a taste of it, and then took it away, which REALLY sucks, seeing as how the PS3 actually plays PS2 games better than the PS2 does.
If there was never any B/C to begin with, so many people would be fine with not having it now. But Sony dangled it in front of us, gave us a taste of it, and then took it away, which REALLY sucks, seeing as how the PS3 actually plays PS2 games better than the PS2 does.
@Mornelithe:
The problem with your argument is that that technology is already used in Singstar where you can swap out the disks and play PS2 Singstar games on your PS3. So there's no guarantee Sony will release a firmware upgrade to allow you free BC. It's much more likely they will add PS2 games to the PS classics section of the PS store.
The problem with your argument is that that technology is already used in Singstar where you can swap out the disks and play PS2 Singstar games on your PS3. So there's no guarantee Sony will release a firmware upgrade to allow you free BC. It's much more likely they will add PS2 games to the PS classics section of the PS store.
Cue The Reborn cuing all of us to ask about a legitimate concern . . .
Oh wait, he beat me here, didn't he? Has there been a PS3 post today without that guy saying something snarky?
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Oh wait, he beat me here, didn't he? Has there been a PS3 post today without that guy saying something snarky?
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If the PS2 itself is what $99? Now the PS3 is $300 i think they could afford to install BC if they really tried or wanted to even via firmware update. Isn't that what they did when they brought dual shock back.
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