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Next PS Vita firmware: I predict it will fix this loophole and be scored a 1.0 by Jim Sterling for doing so.
Hmmm. Didn't know I wasn't supposed to be able to earn trophies on used games.
Not that it's a deal breaker since the PSP didn't have any to begin with, but I enjoy that pleasing *ding* every know and again.
Not that it's a deal breaker since the PSP didn't have any to begin with, but I enjoy that pleasing *ding* every know and again.
I'd be blown away if Sony doesn't patch this. Maybe not though, it could be a way to fix a cart that has a corrupt save or something along those lines.
I just...argh...these companies just look at me like screaming children throwing a huge tantrum over something so pathietic. Glad there's a loophole though, I personally enjoy the achievement/trophy system (although I wouldn't stop buying used on that basis)
Well I guess if u buy used ur not really earning the chevos. Must buy new for the right to earn worthless trinkets. Now thats how u add VALUE to a new game
I ALMOST wish that was the case with 360 games, because I bet having to buy games brand new for achievements would seriously discourage people from getting easy achievements from The Burning Earth, King Kong, Hannah Montannah etc.
Anyways yeah, can't wait to see how companies try and cripple used games next. Only thing is, when they try and cripple used games, they are also crippling new games in the long term, which a lot of gamers seem to be too short sighted to see.
Anyways yeah, can't wait to see how companies try and cripple used games next. Only thing is, when they try and cripple used games, they are also crippling new games in the long term, which a lot of gamers seem to be too short sighted to see.
According to Extorting on http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/4669179 :
"They did this so just in case u load someone elses save u dont just get all the trophies they earned as soon as u load it i love this idea"
Hopefully that's all it is; a security against auto-winning trophies, rather than security against used games.
"They did this so just in case u load someone elses save u dont just get all the trophies they earned as soon as u load it i love this idea"
Hopefully that's all it is; a security against auto-winning trophies, rather than security against used games.
Or there's always the chance there is some user data stored on the card and it works just like some PS3 saves, not allowing you to earn trophies by loading another person's file and formatting the storage space on the card removes that data.
Jim, please get your facts straight before your mindless sony-bashing. This only applies to Vita games that save to the cart, and its so people can't instantly get all the trophies. This "fix" simply deletes the save data from the cart. Sony even officially posted this. This has NOTHING to do with used game sales.
This was already known.
You have to clear the game data from the cartridge before you are eligible for trophies and such.
You have to clear the game data from the cartridge before you are eligible for trophies and such.
I am guessing that this is only done on games that save Trophy info on game card itself, rather than on your memory card. If so, then this really makes sense, and Sony is not as insidious as the above interpretation makes it appear. On the other hand, if I am incorrect, then it would certainly be quite dickish.
They planned to penalize people for buying used by withholding digital rewards that mean nothing? I suppose it shows just how petty this fight against used games have gotten.
Lets just assume the worst about anyone without actually bothering to look in to it at all, because internet.
Didn't something similar go around b4 the 3ds launched w/ the games supposedly doing something similar (1 game tied to 1 user) making peeps get their panties all bunched up...
It is def lame.
It is def lame.
"Vita carts will tie themselves to one PSN account..."
i thought this was already a known from the beginning?
and we also knew you just had to 'do something' to tie it to your account.
or was that the 3DS? either way who cares.
and its prob in the instruction booklet for the system anyway.
"and won't unlock Trophies for anybody else. "
and i dont see how this is combating used sales, if there is a way to unlink it from an account and then link back to your account. seems like a known feature to me. as for getting the trophies off someone else who owned the game, that they should fix.
but if they get rid of this, and make it so you cant format it to change the account. THEN used games are screwed.
i thought this was already a known from the beginning?
and we also knew you just had to 'do something' to tie it to your account.
or was that the 3DS? either way who cares.
and its prob in the instruction booklet for the system anyway.
"and won't unlock Trophies for anybody else. "
and i dont see how this is combating used sales, if there is a way to unlink it from an account and then link back to your account. seems like a known feature to me. as for getting the trophies off someone else who owned the game, that they should fix.
but if they get rid of this, and make it so you cant format it to change the account. THEN used games are screwed.
I say rather than assume its not about attacking used sales we just wait and see how Sony patches this.
Because Sony tends to go out of their way to add restrictions, patch the least important things to users (like shitty browser and such) and patch things that protect Sony.
If they do that, then we'll know.
Because Sony tends to go out of their way to add restrictions, patch the least important things to users (like shitty browser and such) and patch things that protect Sony.
If they do that, then we'll know.
Sony is going too far this time. Trying to stop trophies. This might actually be a good thing considering how long it takes trophies to sync up lol
All this card/account tie in shit is probably number 2 on the list of reasons I'll probably be waiting a fairly long time to scoop up a Vita, behind wanting to wait and see if niche games get off the ground on it. I get too many of my portable games on Goozex to want to deal with all that garbage.
Also, is Rammstein up yet? I'm sure he's got some infographics explaining why used games are cancer/Hitler/AIDS, and honestly, it'd probably pick me up way more than the pot of Folgers I've been nursing. Somebody call him and tell him something is afoot.
Also, is Rammstein up yet? I'm sure he's got some infographics explaining why used games are cancer/Hitler/AIDS, and honestly, it'd probably pick me up way more than the pot of Folgers I've been nursing. Somebody call him and tell him something is afoot.
Why doesn't the error message tell you that you can clean the data? The only information the Vita will give a user is that you need the original PSN account in order to earn Trophies. That's the only "fix" for the problem that the end user will get from its Vita.
I mean, the alternative is that Sony just made it awkward and convoluted accidentally. I think my interpretation actually gives Sony more credit than some of you are giving it.
I mean, the alternative is that Sony just made it awkward and convoluted accidentally. I think my interpretation actually gives Sony more credit than some of you are giving it.
God damn Jim, you're really stretching here.
There's a big fucking warning that pops up that details what needs to happen in order for you to get trophies on a used Vita game when you slide the card into the machine.
IMO, it's to prevent people from getting easy trophies by just popping in a used game and using the previous save.
You delete the save, you're golden.
Why the fuck does anyone let you do any story related to Sony, you ignorant slut?!
There's a big fucking warning that pops up that details what needs to happen in order for you to get trophies on a used Vita game when you slide the card into the machine.
IMO, it's to prevent people from getting easy trophies by just popping in a used game and using the previous save.
You delete the save, you're golden.
Why the fuck does anyone let you do any story related to Sony, you ignorant slut?!
@Jim
So then your beef is unclear and/or misleading documentation. That's cool, I can dig that. Hope that gets straightened out pretty soon. That's a long way from your post-apocalyptic wasteland where used games are anathema though. Perspective ftw.
So then your beef is unclear and/or misleading documentation. That's cool, I can dig that. Hope that gets straightened out pretty soon. That's a long way from your post-apocalyptic wasteland where used games are anathema though. Perspective ftw.
This is the same company that allowed you to opt out of their binding arbitration clause by writing in, snail mail style. Was it because it was the most efficient means of allowing people to do so? I recall a Sony rep going on the record saying they did so because they knew, through market research (surveys probably), that less than 5% of users would opt out if they had to write in.
These things are premeditated. On their end, its fairly savvy, as you can just blame the end user for not knowing which hoops to jump through. Have your cake and eat it too, Sony is definitely nowhere near alone in this.
These things are premeditated. On their end, its fairly savvy, as you can just blame the end user for not knowing which hoops to jump through. Have your cake and eat it too, Sony is definitely nowhere near alone in this.
"There's a big fucking warning that pops up that details what needs to happen in order for you to get trophies on a used Vita game when you slide the card into the machine."
The warning says, "Only the first player to use an application can earn trophies." It does not give you this workaround. If Sony wanted you to use it workaround, the PS Vita would tell you what you need to do. Instead, it leads the player to believe that they will never earn Trophies using that cart.
Now you can claim this was an oversight on Sony's part. I think they're not that incompetent.
The warning says, "Only the first player to use an application can earn trophies." It does not give you this workaround. If Sony wanted you to use it workaround, the PS Vita would tell you what you need to do. Instead, it leads the player to believe that they will never earn Trophies using that cart.
Now you can claim this was an oversight on Sony's part. I think they're not that incompetent.
So wait, If someone gets a trophy on a cartridge, even if I wipe that cartridge, I can't get that trophy? That's what I understand from the situation, please correct me if I am wrong. It's that first sentence in the last paragraph that makes me think this, in case anyone was wondering.
Wait-wait-wait... I'm not supposed to be able to earn trophies on used games? Well that's stupid.
Yes, I know it's nothing vital to the game, but I've had a lot of fun "Trophy-racing" with friends through games.
Yes, I know it's nothing vital to the game, but I've had a lot of fun "Trophy-racing" with friends through games.
@ninjapresident
Yeah, that caught me off guard for a sec too. I'm pretty sure what Jim's saying is that the person who had the game before you doesn't have their trophies deleted if you erase the save file on that specific game. Trophies are tied to the account not the game, so formatting the card doesn't screw the guy who had it first.
Yeah, that caught me off guard for a sec too. I'm pretty sure what Jim's saying is that the person who had the game before you doesn't have their trophies deleted if you erase the save file on that specific game. Trophies are tied to the account not the game, so formatting the card doesn't screw the guy who had it first.
Echoing fellow Dtoids I assumed this was more to address the possibility of people illegitimately earning trophies rather than a means of combating used game sales.
If so the only thing Sony are to blame for is not making this clear, in particular the text in the pop-up bubble when first playing a used Vita game.
If so the only thing Sony are to blame for is not making this clear, in particular the text in the pop-up bubble when first playing a used Vita game.
The warning also says:
"To earn trophies, you must first delete all data related to the application and then start the application."
Seems that negates any doom and gloom that you sold your headline on?
Maybe you should do just a WEE bit of research before you go regurgitating your moronic yellow journalistic bile? Hmm? Food for thought...
"To earn trophies, you must first delete all data related to the application and then start the application."
Seems that negates any doom and gloom that you sold your headline on?
Maybe you should do just a WEE bit of research before you go regurgitating your moronic yellow journalistic bile? Hmm? Food for thought...
I've been loving Jim's responses as of late. Shutting people down with reason and in a mostly calm way.
That aside, yes, Sony should just tell you how to fix the problem rather than some cryptic "if you are not tech saavy, then go buy this game new to unlock achievements" error message.
That aside, yes, Sony should just tell you how to fix the problem rather than some cryptic "if you are not tech saavy, then go buy this game new to unlock achievements" error message.
This has been standard knowledge to anyone genuinely following the Vita since a couple days after the Japanese launch. The fact you're reporting it so late, AND so incorrectly is just an astounding failure, good job.
People asked Yoshida (@yosp) about this very early in and he even told people they were able to earn the trophies on used carts. You're reporting this like Sony's committing some evil deed just because you're not competent enough to keep up with or comprehend the news you report?
Yeah, the wording's a bit bad, but anyone should have been able to do a fast Google search and get a more accurate and level headed solution to this, thank god I don't rely on this site.
People asked Yoshida (@yosp) about this very early in and he even told people they were able to earn the trophies on used carts. You're reporting this like Sony's committing some evil deed just because you're not competent enough to keep up with or comprehend the news you report?
Yeah, the wording's a bit bad, but anyone should have been able to do a fast Google search and get a more accurate and level headed solution to this, thank god I don't rely on this site.
@Vader582
Don't worry about it. A LOT of "journalists" these days don't do research on things like this nowadays. They just post these types of news right away without trying it for themselves, and make the developers, publishers, whatever, look bad.
Don't worry about it. A LOT of "journalists" these days don't do research on things like this nowadays. They just post these types of news right away without trying it for themselves, and make the developers, publishers, whatever, look bad.
@tekbunny
Your definition of shutting people down appears to be "leaving out information and hoping nobody catches him."
Now that everyone can see the error message, he doesn't just look like he's drawing ridiculous, alarmist conclusions about Sony trying to ruin used games, but actively trying to mislead people on the issue. "The only information the Vita will give a user is that you need the original PSN account in order to earn Trophies." is obviously not the truth. It says to delete the app data. If someone doesn't know how to do that, they can look it up, but the action they need to take is there.
Your definition of shutting people down appears to be "leaving out information and hoping nobody catches him."
Now that everyone can see the error message, he doesn't just look like he's drawing ridiculous, alarmist conclusions about Sony trying to ruin used games, but actively trying to mislead people on the issue. "The only information the Vita will give a user is that you need the original PSN account in order to earn Trophies." is obviously not the truth. It says to delete the app data. If someone doesn't know how to do that, they can look it up, but the action they need to take is there.
You know what the best part about people drawing wild conclusions, and name calling is? Vader? Trev? OneRed (for having claimed Vader owned anything before I did the necessary legwork)?
It's that they rarely do any research themselves.
Is this a case of different regions getting different messages? I would say so.
It's that they rarely do any research themselves.
Is this a case of different regions getting different messages? I would say so.
Wait? Wasn't this common knowledge already? I had to do this for all 3 games I got with my JAP Vita since they were all used. Also,I don't remember clearly,but I think the warning message itself hints at this,so it's no loophole.
I would imagine different games give different warnings. OneRed's picture seriously makes it sound like you HAVE to buy new to get trophies, and Vader's pic is what EVERY game in EVERY region needs to say.
Also final note, it kind of disgusts me that games are being called applications. More lowest common denominator casual pandering. Not that big a deal though.
Also final note, it kind of disgusts me that games are being called applications. More lowest common denominator casual pandering. Not that big a deal though.
@OneRed
That message is less helpful, yes, but it still has nothing to do with a nefarious Sony scheme against the used games market. That was the primary issue with the article, circumstantial inaccuracies supporting that. The first sentence makes that conclusion, hashtag fight the power.
That message is less helpful, yes, but it still has nothing to do with a nefarious Sony scheme against the used games market. That was the primary issue with the article, circumstantial inaccuracies supporting that. The first sentence makes that conclusion, hashtag fight the power.
Meh. Not bothered. I always buy new as often as I can. It's an OCD thing. But, my wallet sure isn't happy about it.
@Trev
I read your comment wrong, and *gasp* drew the wrong conclusion myself. My apologies, I actually agree with what you said.
I read your comment wrong, and *gasp* drew the wrong conclusion myself. My apologies, I actually agree with what you said.
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