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Still need to play these games as I've seen UFO defense on countless top 10 lists. I'm already looking forward to some martian blasting action.
Wait so what is 2K Boston doing?
Also I hope this is going to be something like SWAT 4, but with aliens.
Also I hope this is going to be something like SWAT 4, but with aliens.
Oh right, they are back to Irrational now. But yeah, the big mystery of what they are doing is still up then.
Not sure how I feel about an FPS XCOM, but I'm excited they're doing something with the franchise. Color me cautiously optimistic.
Hell, I dont care if it ends up being a bloody dating sim - if they are binging back the X-Com franchise (my favourite of all time), I'll pay many cash dollars for it!
They can kiss my herpes sores. Rebooting a franchise and mixing shit up is great. Rebooting it and turning a strategy game into a shooter is terrible.
"directly into the shoes of an FBI agent..."
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::nerdrage::
look, the unit is called X-Com. I want to be on the multinational team called X-Com. If I'm playing as an FBI agent, then I'm going to be doing it wrong for a good portion of the game.
Also, while I'm at it, who ever told PR that X-Com is about telling a tale? X-Com is about its fucking systems, through which a story ends up being told/created.
WTF is this bullshit?
::end nerdrage::
Promise I'll be civil for the rest of this game's release cycle. For reals... but dang it, yall...
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::nerdrage::
look, the unit is called X-Com. I want to be on the multinational team called X-Com. If I'm playing as an FBI agent, then I'm going to be doing it wrong for a good portion of the game.
Also, while I'm at it, who ever told PR that X-Com is about telling a tale? X-Com is about its fucking systems, through which a story ends up being told/created.
WTF is this bullshit?
::end nerdrage::
Promise I'll be civil for the rest of this game's release cycle. For reals... but dang it, yall...
I'm kinda excited, but not really, but I kinda still am but not sorta really, yet I kinda wanna play this still.
FPS Xcom? No thanks, unless they add something completely revolutionary to the most overproduced genre in videogames, it won't be Xcom. It will just be an FPS with aliens, a dumbed down version to reach a broader market audience. You need to have a squad, feel attached to them, in part due to all the time and money you put into training them and equipping them, feel afraid of moving one of them in the wrong direction, try to cover one squad member with another while on the move, etc. If there is one genre does doesn't fit into FPS is Xcom. What about base building? What about research and reverse engineering weapons from alien tech? what about weapon and armor production? Sorry but I just don't see how it's going to capture the essence of Enemy Unknown or Terror from the Deep if it's going to be an FPS. This is my favorite franchise of all time, I just hope they prove me wrong...
They made an Xcom TPS once...ask them how that went.
I don't see how you could use the term "True to it's roots" and "First Person Shooter" when describing an XCom reboot. Maybe the game will end up great and that'd be nice but that's you know...it'll still be an FPS in Xcoms clothing.
I don't see how you could use the term "True to it's roots" and "First Person Shooter" when describing an XCom reboot. Maybe the game will end up great and that'd be nice but that's you know...it'll still be an FPS in Xcoms clothing.
It could go either way. Fallout 3 was great, and I hadn't played the first two when it came out. X-Com is basically the same thing: I love the atmosphere and fluff behind the games, but...they are impenetrable to me. And, while I (admittedly) haven't played X-Com, I place it somewhere like Fallout, in that Fallout 1 would have been more action based (warning: conjecture) if the technology would have allowed for it.
So...sure, it could be cool. And Bioshock 2 was competent, so it's not like it's in the hands of a bad developer.
So...sure, it could be cool. And Bioshock 2 was competent, so it's not like it's in the hands of a bad developer.
I've heard the name XCOM too many times in various 'best games evar' lists on the interwebs to not play this fucking thing.
Noooooo
god damn it I just want a DS version or something not just another horror FPS oh well maybe the "strategic core" will include squad mechanics RPG elements and research/technology and a flight sim interceptor component. lol a man can dream
god damn it I just want a DS version or something not just another horror FPS oh well maybe the "strategic core" will include squad mechanics RPG elements and research/technology and a flight sim interceptor component. lol a man can dream
Isn't this what happened to Fallout 3? But my argument is invalid since I never heard of this game before.
Tragic. This and the new Front Mission game are proof enough to me that the turn-based strategy genre is going extinct. I expect by the next decade, all we'll have left are Fire Emblem, Disgaea, and Advance Wars.
Maybe if for the ground missions they do some sort of Brothers in Arms, where you decide which guys to put on the different firing teams and order them around via a contextual interface in real time just like BiA, and they don't mess around too much with the rest of the formula. If they leave all the research aspects of it, the production, the hiring and training of new guys, base building, etc and all the sandbox aspect of it, maybe, and just maybe I will look forward to it.
But if they try to make it another story-based run through a corridor sort of FPS game, it's going to suck as much as Enforcer, and they will be ruining their chance of reviving one of the best franchises in video game history.
But if they try to make it another story-based run through a corridor sort of FPS game, it's going to suck as much as Enforcer, and they will be ruining their chance of reviving one of the best franchises in video game history.
@Monodi
Yeah... but that's different! :)
The story of X-Com is pretty interesting...someone linked a cool article earlier today somewhere around here detailing the history of the franchise.
Basically there was one really good game (the first, a turn based strategy), a couple of cash-in cloner sequels, like three off-shoot different genre games (a flyer and an action shooter?), and very nearly a "true" sequel to the first by the original guys. But that go cancelled.
Honestly, I can conceive a few ways to make it true to the original and keep it primarily FPS... but the sinking feeling fans of the series (or just the original, even) have isn't completely unwarranted. :/
Yeah... but that's different! :)
The story of X-Com is pretty interesting...someone linked a cool article earlier today somewhere around here detailing the history of the franchise.
Basically there was one really good game (the first, a turn based strategy), a couple of cash-in cloner sequels, like three off-shoot different genre games (a flyer and an action shooter?), and very nearly a "true" sequel to the first by the original guys. But that go cancelled.
Honestly, I can conceive a few ways to make it true to the original and keep it primarily FPS... but the sinking feeling fans of the series (or just the original, even) have isn't completely unwarranted. :/
I don't "get" this X-COM fascination. I've read all about the games, but apparently I had to have played them back in 1992 to really understand why they're so revered. I was PC gaming in 1993-1994 on a 386, was X-COM just a series that completely lacked distribution in the shareware floppy world ?
I really, really, really, really hope they aren't bringing it back just to rape it back into oblivion like the last couple of attempts have done.
Ho ho ho "depending on your perspective". Well done Conrad.
I'll wait and see, but X-Com without bases and resource management + FPS pov just makes it an "aliens on earth" game...
I'll wait and see, but X-Com without bases and resource management + FPS pov just makes it an "aliens on earth" game...
Make that many someones. So the punch is tainted with cyanide by now.
@Reginald You've only read about them? Why not play them? They still hold up. Or at least UFO defense/the-underwater-version-of-it do. Ya hafta walk in dese shoes to unnastan how dey feel.
@MaxDemage I am more distressed by you using Halo as either a mispelled Hello, or as the game (of many) that has aliens and guns in common with the X-COM world.
There's some good and bad from this announcement, but the key thing is 2k Marin is a pretty okay studio, and more attention to the franchise sits well with me.
The FPSness threw me off as well, because I expected Levine's crew to attempt another overhead view game (Freedom Force!). Probably makes huge sense from the financing-less-new-tech perspective (ie. get another Unreal license and use old Bioshock code).
@Reginald You've only read about them? Why not play them? They still hold up. Or at least UFO defense/the-underwater-version-of-it do. Ya hafta walk in dese shoes to unnastan how dey feel.
@MaxDemage I am more distressed by you using Halo as either a mispelled Hello, or as the game (of many) that has aliens and guns in common with the X-COM world.
There's some good and bad from this announcement, but the key thing is 2k Marin is a pretty okay studio, and more attention to the franchise sits well with me.
The FPSness threw me off as well, because I expected Levine's crew to attempt another overhead view game (Freedom Force!). Probably makes huge sense from the financing-less-new-tech perspective (ie. get another Unreal license and use old Bioshock code).
For the people who haven't played the original, here's what you did in it:
- built customized bases from modules
- planned base placement on world map to intercept as many alien craft as possible
- sent fighters to shoot down ufos
- sent in soldiers to kill the surviving aliens and gather alien tech
- defended cities and your bases when the aliens invaded
- hired scientists, engineers, soldiers
- balanced budget
- customized fighter planes, attack craft and soldier equipment
- researched alien technology which yielded new weapons, tools, base modules, fighters etc
In short, it was a strategy game and like most strategy games, it hasn't aged. It looks like shit, but if you play it today, it's still exactly as great as it was back in the day. In fact, everyone should go play it right now:
http://www.impulsedriven.com/xcom1
- built customized bases from modules
- planned base placement on world map to intercept as many alien craft as possible
- sent fighters to shoot down ufos
- sent in soldiers to kill the surviving aliens and gather alien tech
- defended cities and your bases when the aliens invaded
- hired scientists, engineers, soldiers
- balanced budget
- customized fighter planes, attack craft and soldier equipment
- researched alien technology which yielded new weapons, tools, base modules, fighters etc
In short, it was a strategy game and like most strategy games, it hasn't aged. It looks like shit, but if you play it today, it's still exactly as great as it was back in the day. In fact, everyone should go play it right now:
http://www.impulsedriven.com/xcom1
What?! Not a strategy game? IT's been FPSfied? God damn it. Just like what happened to Fallout 3. How disappointing.
Is this the 360-exclusive classic franchise reboot that some magazine was going on about? I was hoping for Killer Instinct 3 but I love the X-Com series so this is a big plus
In my dreams the new version is just like the old one, except the battle system is straight out of Valkyrie Chronicles. Then I wake up and realize I'm probably going to be playing an FBI agent called Jack "Explosion" McGruff going through 12 exciting levels full of set pieces. The "strategy" part in the press release probably means he can dodge behind cover.
Anyone ever play those German developed UFO games? There are 4 of them and I haven't got around to any of them, but they're supposed to be clones of classic XCOM games.
Smells like X-Comshock! Sorry, not interested in another generic FPS with generic gloomy atmosphere paired with generic high pitched noises to give "suspense".
@FourTwoZeroMission.
Aww sorry, I just misspelled "Hello" - my Polish (L1) just jumped in coz all of the frustration with this being a fps.
Well enforcer wasn't really fps but tps, nonetheless as a shooter it sucked... and I payed for it...
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Right now my almost all time fav title jumped into my mind: Battlezone2 - I don't know if anyone remembers it. It was a FPS with strategy and vehicles. IF and I repeat IF new XCOM would be like Battlezone 2 - now that WOULD be GREAT. Otherwise. NO!
Aww sorry, I just misspelled "Hello" - my Polish (L1) just jumped in coz all of the frustration with this being a fps.
Well enforcer wasn't really fps but tps, nonetheless as a shooter it sucked... and I payed for it...
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Right now my almost all time fav title jumped into my mind: Battlezone2 - I don't know if anyone remembers it. It was a FPS with strategy and vehicles. IF and I repeat IF new XCOM would be like Battlezone 2 - now that WOULD be GREAT. Otherwise. NO!
It's the console-compatibility-conundrum at work. Same reason Deus Ex 2 did away with keyboard-based hacking and "real" RPG elements. The Developer has to sell - PC games no longer sell (as well as they should), so we move the design formula towards something that works on the consoles - FPS.
If we are to hope for a REAL X-Com reboot, it has to be by someone willing to bet on the PC for distribution. I always hoped the guys behind Shadowgrounds would somehow end up with the license, since they seem to have the tech, and the grasp for top-down-ish view that actually works. This FPS crap is gonna satisfy my desire for an X-Com game as little as Fallout 3 did. They might be great shooters - but they have nothing to do with the original game(s).
If we are to hope for a REAL X-Com reboot, it has to be by someone willing to bet on the PC for distribution. I always hoped the guys behind Shadowgrounds would somehow end up with the license, since they seem to have the tech, and the grasp for top-down-ish view that actually works. This FPS crap is gonna satisfy my desire for an X-Com game as little as Fallout 3 did. They might be great shooters - but they have nothing to do with the original game(s).
I felt a great disturbance on the web, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and suddenly committed seppuku.
Remember the last time they tried to make XCom anything other than an isometric strategy game? Yeah, me too unfortunately.
I'll wait and see...
Remember the last time they tried to make XCom anything other than an isometric strategy game? Yeah, me too unfortunately.
I'll wait and see...
@Hasney: I found one of those UFO games the other day and was shocked to find out it was basically X-Com HD. I guess we can't ask that from 2K anymore.
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