All that will happen is pirates will not update their xboxes until some hackers have found a new way around it. which won't be long. then they when the new hack has been released, people will download it and update the disc drive, simples.

@redeemer
Yep they are. Guilty buy association. It's the hackers who at the very least enable the ability to pirate games, and let's face it 99% will be pirating games themselves.

Get caught knowingly buying stolen goods you deserve a clubbing from the long arm of the law just as much as the shitface who stole it.

Seriously, brick your expensive console to play home brew games?

Don't be silly...

Oh, and ONE MORE THING

If hackers are all guilty of piracy by association just because they ENABLE piracy, then I suppose people who make guns and knives are responsible for murders by people who use these tools?

I suspect you'll be foolish enough to say yes, but I just wanted to point out how absurd that argument is.

@redeemer
Who cares about DRM? Not me or anyone I know. It's never affected the way I play games. Ever.

I can only assume that the people crying about it are the same people trying to break through it for hacking and pirating purposes.

@ScooneySteve

That's a good point. But on consoles we still have to sit through mandatory firmware updates. Not as bad on the 360 as it is on the PS3. I know PS3 owners complain all the time about how long the updates take. Nobody wants to have to go through that all the time just because Sony thinks they're possible criminals. Even worse when the update doesn't add anything beneficial for me.

Jim you forgot the S in Microsoft!
"Call of Duty? Microoft knows"

"Make one wonder why people persist with "back up" versions of Xbox 360 games. Microsoft seems able to kill them at will, like a terrorist who's put a remote-control bomb in your heart."
That is because you live in a country were MS actually gives a shit about you, instead of just consider it a black hole in the map not worthy of support or recognition...
I am not going to defend many pirates that just don't want to bother with originals, but for many people that is almost the only option.

@redeemer
Make selling guns and knives illegal and you might have a comparison putz.

If I sell a gun on the street to some drunk who uses it to kill his wife then I'm going to jail. Dumbass.

Make hacking legal, and assholes like yourself won't have much to worry about. Game developers would disapear because they won't be making any money, but that'd be alright I guess.

My only problem with homebrew people is that they haven't done enough to distance themselves from the pirates.

Just calling yourself homebrew isn't enough. I actually really respect the homebrewers out there as they are clearly very clever individuals that are trying to expand upon a devices uses.

But on that same token, they're not taking responsibility for what they are indirectly doing to 80% of the customer base. I don't give a damn about the homebrew programs you make if you ruin my ability to enjoy games online as a result of your meddling!

I mean, look at Kinect. Who cares that people are hacking that? It's not ruining other Kinect owners lives. In fact, it very likely has improved it. But hacking the PS3 is harming more people than it is helping and I can't understand why homebrew people can't realize that in the first place!

And yet they wonder why people are pissed at them... I suggest they get a damn clue.

My hacked psp go is still kicking along fine, but wanting to play birth by sleep, and being so excited about 3rd birthday im clicking along through the moonspeak version dosen't really make me feel like a thief.

hey cocksuckers.

ARR!

i got hexen on my ps3. and doom and snes and genesis and gba and saturn and soon n64 and many other great consoles.


it only does everything.....now.

Arr, mateys!

Considering that the newer xbox game cases are more prone to cracking discs, ie; my copy of madden 11, I can see a very small argument for allowing backups. Also, hell no I'm not paying for a bigger hdd while they cost so much. My 20gig is fine for updates and the few dlc I pick up. Still, most of those "backups" are bullshit.

Oh, and the ps3 has the tech to make it a very awesome and cheap high end media server, which is why losing linux means that homebrew is my only option for that kind of functionality at this point. Was I the only one who noticed the massive spike of hacking after sony ditched otherOS?

Lol "backups".

Good, cause I know someone who pirates games and has pirated copies of Reach and BLOPS. Hopefully it'll be atlest an inconvience to his pirate ass.

Worst part is, this guy has a job, isn't attached as far as I know so he could atleast afford to buy the occassional game.

@Qraze

I'm making a note that you're the guy to talk to if I ever decide to put emulators on my PS3. Hexen tickles my anus in quite enjoyable ways.

I support that this topic is a big deal.

@Goldlion
Yes it makes me mad as hell. There is an entire mall not far from me that without exageration runs on piracy, knockoffs, and fraud. I'd burn the place to the ground myself if I could.

What pisses me off the most about the place is that a lot of the people taking advantage of these services are government employees (cops even) who should know better, should be the first people to blow the whistle, and who make so much money that the thought of buying from this shithole should never cross their minds. Makes me fucking sick.

@Killias2
You know as well as I do that that won't last.

@RenegadePanda
A lot of games, at least considering the PS3, are run from the hard disk, as if it were a PSN game. No dirty disks. Mind, considering I play on PC, I've not had to buy a disc in a long time.

@LittleBigD

Guilty until proven innocent? Lol. You have never read the PS3 and 360 EULAs have you?

@LittleBigD
I really don't understand all the venomous hate dude. I mean it doesn't even sound like you've had a gaming experience ruined. Sounds like you've been burned by the place or something.
Im not just playing devil's advocate either mate, really am interested in your thoughts on piracy with music, movies and even comics. I'm not too in the know on the game publishing world and where money goes so I can't quite comment on how much piracy ruins the gaming industry. But I do know enough about film and music to know the artists don't receive any of the dough contributed by the fans and consumers. The record labels and movie companies do. it's unfortunate but artists usually get paid with recognition that lead to better gigs and or deals in the future. And yeah one could argue that if enough people did nothing but download music and films, than there could potentially be no music industry or there could be no movie industry in the future or perhaps they could start raising prices. But let's be honest, regardless of what we do, prices will be raised and companies will come and go. To be honest, the more you support the big guys, the big companies that are selling the games, the dvds, the cds, the more you are fucking over the little guy. Unless ya know, you get it from a local retailer (than you're just doing your fellow neighbor some good, and there ain't nothing wrong with that). You do know a director, actor, writer, musician get paid regardless of how well the sales do. The sales just determine future work, and in this day and age (take a page from Kevin Smith's book) with the interwebs, you don't need big companies or huge opening nights to prove there's an audience out there who will seek out the content. But again, I'm not too aware of how the gaming industry works, but yeah, those are my two cents. Come to think of it, I'd argue the worst thing piracy does is fuck over the little guys. But this is all off the cuff and open to debate, so debate fuckers.

I would bet my paycheck that 90% of the people that complain about pirated games have pirated music/movies/software. Everyone's a hypocrite because they find some way to justify certain "stealing" but not others. BTW, I don't agree it's "Stealing". Stealing means someone will lost something tangible or costs money. If I go and DL a movie/game/song that I wasn't going to buy anyway, who does it take money from??? noone.. the bits are floating around cyberspace, someone just knows how to put them together at no cost to anyone (whether you DL those Bits or not, they still exist).

@MushroomStamp
If a product is for sale and you aren't going to buy it, what makes you think you're entitled to possess it? Things don't just float around on the internet like they've been dumped into the ocean, they're hosted and shared by people. Someone is responsible for providing pirated games, not just "oh look, I've put together these seemingly random ones and zeroes into teh haloez".

Look at it another way. If you made something that you intended to sell and everyone got it for free, would you think it was stealing while your studio was closed and you wondered how you were going to pay your rent?

I use to pirate movies, now I just wait for it on netflix. So then nextflix=antipiracy