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All my friends have gone through either 1 or 2 360's and my brother went through 3 before buying a PS3.
I would have bought one by now but the RROD stuff is retarded and I wont support anything like that and I still play my Xbox mind you.
I would have bought one by now but the RROD stuff is retarded and I wont support anything like that and I still play my Xbox mind you.
I've had the Wii fail on me three times. (Though the last time might have been because of a third party charge station.)
Seeing the Wii's average failure rate makes that all more pathetic...
My 360 and PS3 are still going strong, but I've not played the 360 quite as much as my Wii, and I've only touched my PS3 when LBP was still fun...
Seeing the Wii's average failure rate makes that all more pathetic...
My 360 and PS3 are still going strong, but I've not played the 360 quite as much as my Wii, and I've only touched my PS3 when LBP was still fun...
One thing seems unexplored, and that's why certain people [like myself] have never experienced a problem or know anyone that's had an extreme amount of problems, and then others claim that EVERYONE GETS FIFTEEN DEAD 360's.
Are there different manufacturing plants based on region? Or perhaps older 360 revisions are getting recycled in certain markets?
Are there different manufacturing plants based on region? Or perhaps older 360 revisions are getting recycled in certain markets?
My 120GB Elite is still working strong after my first original launch 360 died a few years back. My 60GB PS3 just died. The GPU just stopped working. I want to get a PS3 Slim but feeling kind of weary.
@George Michael,
"One thing seems unexplored, and that's why certain people [like myself] have never experienced a problem or know anyone that's had an extreme amount of problems, and then others claim that EVERYONE GETS FIFTEEN DEAD 360's."
There's this little thing in the world called luck, and the law of averages. There are bound to be some users who have had the LUCK to not have a problem, either that, or YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
"One thing seems unexplored, and that's why certain people [like myself] have never experienced a problem or know anyone that's had an extreme amount of problems, and then others claim that EVERYONE GETS FIFTEEN DEAD 360's."
There's this little thing in the world called luck, and the law of averages. There are bound to be some users who have had the LUCK to not have a problem, either that, or YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
Seriously I don't know about all you people and your Xboxes. My friend has had one for three years and it is just now dying, and he plays games RELIGIOUSLY. And I think it's just the Disc Drive that's broken. Keep in mind this Xbox is many years old.
I've had mine a year, I play it probably 3-4 hours a day, and I've had no problems. I keep it horizontal, don't put it on carpet (I have it elevated on a table...thing) and keep it ventilated. Once it flashed RROD, but I think it was because I was about to fail Painkiller on Expert. After turning it off and back on it worked again.
My other friend bought his Xbox from Best Buy. It was the display model, so it had been on straight the past 3-4 years. He's had it about a year and a half and had no problems whatsoever. Same thing; keeps it well ventilated, keeps the area around it clean and dust free.
I don't know if people are really really unlucky, overexaggurating (ie don't believe anything the PS3 fanbodys say on this thread), or what. I've only had one friend whose Xbox e74ed, and it was about three years old with considerable use (plus being moved back and forth from canada over the past few years).
So...yeah. Knock on wood, but I kinda have to agree with the "you're doing it wrong" for people who keep putting their xboxes on the carpet and wonder why they fail. Maybe if you vacuumed your room once in a while it wouldn't get clogged up with dust, eh? :P
I've had mine a year, I play it probably 3-4 hours a day, and I've had no problems. I keep it horizontal, don't put it on carpet (I have it elevated on a table...thing) and keep it ventilated. Once it flashed RROD, but I think it was because I was about to fail Painkiller on Expert. After turning it off and back on it worked again.
My other friend bought his Xbox from Best Buy. It was the display model, so it had been on straight the past 3-4 years. He's had it about a year and a half and had no problems whatsoever. Same thing; keeps it well ventilated, keeps the area around it clean and dust free.
I don't know if people are really really unlucky, overexaggurating (ie don't believe anything the PS3 fanbodys say on this thread), or what. I've only had one friend whose Xbox e74ed, and it was about three years old with considerable use (plus being moved back and forth from canada over the past few years).
So...yeah. Knock on wood, but I kinda have to agree with the "you're doing it wrong" for people who keep putting their xboxes on the carpet and wonder why they fail. Maybe if you vacuumed your room once in a while it wouldn't get clogged up with dust, eh? :P
Xbox 360% failure rate?
My third Xbox died about a week after they shipped it to us, so if that was my fault, then I must be so technologically inept I follow Amish memes.
My third Xbox died about a week after they shipped it to us, so if that was my fault, then I must be so technologically inept I follow Amish memes.
@Sexualc
So you're telling me that it makes sense at all for, entirely at random, certain people to be surrounded by bad consoles and others to be surrounded by tales of joy?
Science, friend. Luck is a lie.
So you're telling me that it makes sense at all for, entirely at random, certain people to be surrounded by bad consoles and others to be surrounded by tales of joy?
Science, friend. Luck is a lie.
In defense of the execscusable failure rate:
1) The Xbox has beeen out for a year longer than the PS3 and the Wii (tho the Wii does have about 20 million more in shipments to retailers).
2) This is just a rehash of data we have already heard (granted, a comparison with the other console's data IS astonishing).
1) The Xbox has beeen out for a year longer than the PS3 and the Wii (tho the Wii does have about 20 million more in shipments to retailers).
2) This is just a rehash of data we have already heard (granted, a comparison with the other console's data IS astonishing).
who cares! just get 2 more 360 so while your first one breaks, you have second one to pop out and the third one is just in case your 2nd one fails while the 1st one still hasnt arrived.
x3 360 = NO PROBLEM! ($900!)
Now if the astral collision happens when all planets align and full solar eclipse happens, then it is possible your third 360 will fail while the 1st and 2nd are still being fixed, then you can cry.
or you can just get a Wii or PS3, those rarely die or have better customer support. :)
x3 360 = NO PROBLEM! ($900!)
Now if the astral collision happens when all planets align and full solar eclipse happens, then it is possible your third 360 will fail while the 1st and 2nd are still being fixed, then you can cry.
or you can just get a Wii or PS3, those rarely die or have better customer support. :)
"...and in his last dying breath, he was heard to utter the words: Red ring of death..."
CW2 Poem by Nigel Higgins 2008.
CW2 Poem by Nigel Higgins 2008.
@ George, it makes as much sense as the fact that birds shit all day long and occasionally someone get's hit by it, but most people walk around bird shit free.
Are you trying to disprove the fact that anomolies in data happen? Or that stats are nothing but an overveiw? Or are you trying to say that "Average" means everyone and everything without exception?
Are you trying to disprove the fact that anomolies in data happen? Or that stats are nothing but an overveiw? Or are you trying to say that "Average" means everyone and everything without exception?
I had my system RROD on me. I was quite livid since, you know, I paid quite a bit at the time--2006--and there's this little expectation that the device actually works.
Microsoft: "Haste makes Waste" That's why you bled $3 Billion with the warranty extension.
Microsoft: "Haste makes Waste" That's why you bled $3 Billion with the warranty extension.
@Sexual,
To borrow your analogy, my car and all my friends' cars are birdshit-free. Your car and all your friends' cars are coated in a thick layer. We are both parked on the same street.
You and your friends don't just have "bad luck", that doesn't make any sense. If the "average" was consistent then both my group of friends and your group of friends would have close to an equal amount of bird shit on our cars, or at least we would have close to the same amount of people with an obnoxious amount of bird shit on their car in each group.
I would like to find a scientific reason for this besides calling you a liar or saying you're exaggerating, as much as I want a reason to not be called a fanboy.
To borrow your analogy, my car and all my friends' cars are birdshit-free. Your car and all your friends' cars are coated in a thick layer. We are both parked on the same street.
You and your friends don't just have "bad luck", that doesn't make any sense. If the "average" was consistent then both my group of friends and your group of friends would have close to an equal amount of bird shit on our cars, or at least we would have close to the same amount of people with an obnoxious amount of bird shit on their car in each group.
I would like to find a scientific reason for this besides calling you a liar or saying you're exaggerating, as much as I want a reason to not be called a fanboy.
Wow Sexualchocolate you are a prize a twat...you add nothing to this article apart from the illusion your are about 14 and wear a suite completely sponsored by Sony.
before you attack me with oh you are a MS fanboy il tell you that all my av equipment in my house and car are SONY, im an IT technician too who has to work with windows all day so i know all about MS too well!
My launch xbox was perfect, sold it and bought the Resi 5 xbox, its been perfect, out of 12 of my real life friends that own Xbox, only one has had RROD or any problems. So i think thats pretty good.
Every sytem has failure, just depends who has it and how much you bitch about it!
before you attack me with oh you are a MS fanboy il tell you that all my av equipment in my house and car are SONY, im an IT technician too who has to work with windows all day so i know all about MS too well!
My launch xbox was perfect, sold it and bought the Resi 5 xbox, its been perfect, out of 12 of my real life friends that own Xbox, only one has had RROD or any problems. So i think thats pretty good.
Every sytem has failure, just depends who has it and how much you bitch about it!
I have to side with the PC gamers here as well: I get most of the 360 games worth playing anyway, some companies like Bioware actually offer better GUI on the pc. And my EVGA card has a LIFETIME WARRANTY. My power supply also has lifetime warranty, my system has adequate cooling ( I never go 20 celsius above ambient, its usually less than 10 even under heavy load ).
And yes I can tell you that those reports are accurate and even understated, I know this from first hand experience but obviously contractual obligations forbid me to go into any more detail.
And yes I can tell you that those reports are accurate and even understated, I know this from first hand experience but obviously contractual obligations forbid me to go into any more detail.
I bought a 360 in August of 2007. It still works, so far. I bought a PS3 in May of 2008. It still works, so far. I bought a Wii in August of 2009. It still works, so far.
Thank you for reading this.
Thank you for reading this.
It would be interesting to know how old the 360 units were... didn't they bring in a new chipset that was supposed to lessen the chances of red ring? I guess the big question is what is the failure rate of the newest units? We all know the old units had this problem.
My roommate and I bought our 360's around the same time in 2006, and have had no problems. We play lots of time-intensive games like RPGs and fighting games, so at least one of our 360s is on virtually the whole day. Our buddy got his Christmas 2007, and has had to send it in twice because he sits it on the carpet under his entertainment stand, and insists that "that ain't the problem.".
I'm certainly not trying to say that all the problems are caused by the consumer (or even most), but I'm also a firm believer that a lot of people are dumb and break things easily.
I'm certainly not trying to say that all the problems are caused by the consumer (or even most), but I'm also a firm believer that a lot of people are dumb and break things easily.
I have had two fail on me. Don't keep them in an entertainment center...out in the open...both were repaired for free of course...thank god.
My brother bought his 360 right when Gears 1 came out. A year later his 360 RRoD. Sent it out, got it back about a week later no problems since. After he moved out I got my 360 a good year and a half ago. I've had no problems with it.
@N0R3M0RS3:
No. When that kid grows up, he won't play a PC. He'll play a PS3. Because the PC as a gaming platform will be dead within a decade.
~HA! HA!
No. When that kid grows up, he won't play a PC. He'll play a PS3. Because the PC as a gaming platform will be dead within a decade.
~HA! HA!
@ sprldr
Ha, dead my ass. So long as there will be computers with GPUs, there will be PC games.
Oh, and do you really think that the PS3 will be around in 10 years? HA! The tech's already been pushed to the limit in both consoles.
Ha, dead my ass. So long as there will be computers with GPUs, there will be PC games.
Oh, and do you really think that the PS3 will be around in 10 years? HA! The tech's already been pushed to the limit in both consoles.
This is cute. I like the "It hasn't happened to me or my friends so it doesn't exist..." attitude some of you have. I've had one RRoD, my neighbor has had 3 (admittedly one was a refurb), and my nephew's died as well. Regardless of if it was replaced in record time it still counts as dying due to the RRoD issue.
Yes, none of us keep them on the carpet, none vertical... it's just bad hardware design. It happens. And some people are lucky, but some are NOT and this design flaw gets them in the end. I feel that they've finally addressed the issue fairly well, and I am really pleased with the fact my Jasper 360 seems to have no heat issues whatsoever and my refurbished Falcon seems to have gotten the new heat sink treatment so I feel this may be the end of my worries.
Also, someone said something about percentages being off: What they mean is that OF the 60%, 32% have dealt with 2 dead systems and 19% of the 60% have had three.
Thanks, guys. Fun comment thread. Continue.
Yes, none of us keep them on the carpet, none vertical... it's just bad hardware design. It happens. And some people are lucky, but some are NOT and this design flaw gets them in the end. I feel that they've finally addressed the issue fairly well, and I am really pleased with the fact my Jasper 360 seems to have no heat issues whatsoever and my refurbished Falcon seems to have gotten the new heat sink treatment so I feel this may be the end of my worries.
Also, someone said something about percentages being off: What they mean is that OF the 60%, 32% have dealt with 2 dead systems and 19% of the 60% have had three.
Thanks, guys. Fun comment thread. Continue.
Ha how ironic. I was borrowing a friend's and it Red Ringed yesterday (that's right, I made it a proper noun). Luckily he bought the extended warranty from Best Buy so I am not screwed and he will get a new elite. On another note, the first 3 I got had the Red Ring the first time I turned them on. The owners of that store were pissed.
OK, so I'm a twat for agreeing with a survey. God I love this site.
As Vonneuton says, "It hasn't happened to me or my friends so it doesn't exist..." - fucking idiots.
As Vonneuton says, "It hasn't happened to me or my friends so it doesn't exist..." - fucking idiots.
What is worse is when MS fanboys point out how bad the PS3 is, but never complain about their Xbox 360s breaking on them. The logic of some people.
The first three I bought were RROD when I first turned them on. I still have the 4th one. It was a launch day machine, and I keep a desk fan blowing on it at times. It's loud, but my discs are cool when I open the machine versus if the fan is not on them it feels like they are about to melt.
On a side note. I was borrowing a friends 360 yesterday and turned it on to swap a file on the HDD. It red ringed. Luckily, he has the Best Buy extended warranty.
On a side note. I was borrowing a friends 360 yesterday and turned it on to swap a file on the HDD. It red ringed. Luckily, he has the Best Buy extended warranty.
probably they own old xboxes.. the failure of the ones from a couple of years from now is rare. mine is 2 years old and never even hinted me of overheating, but its still damn loud. its the same thing to say the wii is the champion of broken controllers, they had some serious issues with it, but later controllers came with that silicon cap and the reinforced strap. new xboxes are safe as well
I had three break down, and the fourth's disc drive would stick, wasting ten minutes of my time just to switch discs.
I sent for a new console (that's 5!!!) and immediately sold it.
I am now 95% PC gamer, 5% Wii gamer.
I sent for a new console (that's 5!!!) and immediately sold it.
I am now 95% PC gamer, 5% Wii gamer.
every single xbox 360 is still defective actually.. microsoft still hasn't completely fixed their shitty hardware designs.
I don't worry about IF my 360 is going to die... I worry about WHEN. In the states, you guys get your own console returned back to you after a repair. Here in Canada, they just throw ours onto a heap and send us a refurbished console.
The refurbs are trash though, in my experience, I've been through 4 of 'em... but I haven't paid a cent more than I did when I bought the first one... so that's a little bit okay.
I'd still rather have a console that didn't fucking break.
The refurbs are trash though, in my experience, I've been through 4 of 'em... but I haven't paid a cent more than I did when I bought the first one... so that's a little bit okay.
I'd still rather have a console that didn't fucking break.
My 360 elite broke after 40 days with E74 error, MS replaced it with a refurb. Whilst the refurb has been fine for a couple of years now, the disc drive sounds like a fucking chainsaw revving. Thank god for the full installation patch.
My Wii and PS3 have seen equal through use, not a single problem on either.
I think ~90% of my friends' 360s have E74-ed or RROD-ed. Given that they all play a lot of games, I think 60% would be accurate, factoring in people who under-use their 360s, or luck out and get a stable one.
Microsoft's banning of the 1 million modded 360s must make their business planning look a bit healthier, they can underwrite up to 1 of the 30+ million 360s as no longer potentially needed replacement under warranty!
My Wii and PS3 have seen equal through use, not a single problem on either.
I think ~90% of my friends' 360s have E74-ed or RROD-ed. Given that they all play a lot of games, I think 60% would be accurate, factoring in people who under-use their 360s, or luck out and get a stable one.
Microsoft's banning of the 1 million modded 360s must make their business planning look a bit healthier, they can underwrite up to 1 of the 30+ million 360s as no longer potentially needed replacement under warranty!
Can't say I'm surprised in the least. I personally know of 6 people that have had 360s die on them. That's every single person I know that owned a 360.
Dont mind me. Im a happy ps3 owner. Just here for the Microsoft apologists. No matter how many i read it never gets old.
I bet the people who are lucky enough to not have gotten a RRoD yet and swear that RRoD is nothing but a myth are the same who believe that the Holocaust did not happen.
@Chronic Logic "Looks like the Microsoft Store will be plenty busy..."
Er yeah. They're "busy" alright.
Er yeah. They're "busy" alright.
Admittedly, my first 2 360s were used units. The first one was dead before I bought it, seemingly. The second one died 40 days later. Now I'm using a brand new unit (didn't pay for any except the first of course) and it's working well. I only hope that the fact that I carry it wherever I'm going every day doesn't cause a problem.
But, I also am not worried about IF it will die, just WHEN. But the whole purpose of it was to tide me over until I bought a PS3. Microsoft can suck my balls.
But, I also am not worried about IF it will die, just WHEN. But the whole purpose of it was to tide me over until I bought a PS3. Microsoft can suck my balls.
I'm still curious to hear the data on Xbox 360 failure rate for the consoles that were released in the past year. I want to know if they've actually figured it out and fixed it.
@Nyktharas:
The problem with that argument is that most TVs (etc) don't have such a high failure rate, and I doubt they'd bullshit you with a crappy 3 month guarantee on their fix. I've only ever needed to buy one HDTV, and I've never known anyone to have theirs fail on them, whereas everyone bar one person I know who owns a PS3 has had it fall apart at some point.
There have been inherent faults in both the original 360s and PS3s, the difference being Microsoft admitted to fucking up whereas Sony won't.
And for the record, in Europe they send the PS3s for repair to Germany - not my fault that they feel the need to send them so far, is it? I'm sure they could repair them here (UK) if they wanted to. (Not to mention that it simply wouldn't cost them upwards of £100 to send them that far...)
The problem with that argument is that most TVs (etc) don't have such a high failure rate, and I doubt they'd bullshit you with a crappy 3 month guarantee on their fix. I've only ever needed to buy one HDTV, and I've never known anyone to have theirs fail on them, whereas everyone bar one person I know who owns a PS3 has had it fall apart at some point.
There have been inherent faults in both the original 360s and PS3s, the difference being Microsoft admitted to fucking up whereas Sony won't.
And for the record, in Europe they send the PS3s for repair to Germany - not my fault that they feel the need to send them so far, is it? I'm sure they could repair them here (UK) if they wanted to. (Not to mention that it simply wouldn't cost them upwards of £100 to send them that far...)
@Sexualchocolate
anomalies in data do not happen, when you perceive something as random it is just because you don't see the pattern or know the cause- the universe is very complex and particles are flying everywhere all of the time and creating more and more complexity, just because one doesn't understand it's course in accordance with another it doesn't mean they aren't linked.
anomalies in data do not happen, when you perceive something as random it is just because you don't see the pattern or know the cause- the universe is very complex and particles are flying everywhere all of the time and creating more and more complexity, just because one doesn't understand it's course in accordance with another it doesn't mean they aren't linked.
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