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Xbox 360 fail rate: 54 percent, says Game Informer survey photo

Game Informer's survey asked around 5,000 of their readers about the fail rate of their Xbox 360s, and the fat number of 54.2 percent came back. Ouch. Compare that to the survey's 10.6 percent for the PS3 and 6.8 percent for the Wii.

Surprised? I'm not. In my mind, it's closer to a 100 percent fail rate for the Xbox 360, as your first one stops working, and your second one works fine. Maybe. We all know that one guy who has had 3 or more failures in a row. 

A failure rate of 54 percent sounds bad. It is bad. But I don't think it's stopping anyone from enjoying the console. Belive it or not, the survey data showed that only 3.8 percent of Xbox 360 owners said they'd never buy another Xbox because of these hardware failures.

My gut reaction to that is to say that everyone is stupid to be so loyal, but I'd be saying that as I boot up my (2nd) Xbox 360 to play Shadow Complex. You win this round, Microsoft. Get the kinks worked out next time.

[via Consumerist]








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munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:03
munkee
I personally think its disgusting that they can get away with selling such obviously bad hardware. But, as long as fools will keep buying them, then there is no reason to rectify the problem!?
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:04
Magesx
For some reason I think we'd hear more of a backlash if 10% of PS3s were broken. That's a lot.
mario actually's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:04
mario actually
If this is true.... It's just insane.
possumwrangler's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:05
possumwrangler
I'm on my 7th and 8th consoles. It gets to the point where you need to keep two around, just to have one of them up and running all of the time, so yeah, 50% makes sense. I think that the remaining 50% either aren't played often enough to fail, or just haven't been around long enough. It's not a question of if, but when.

I wish I could give up XBOX LIVE, but I just can't do it.
portastad's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:08
portastad
On my 2nd and hopefully last Xbox 360. We'll see how the Jaspers last.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:08
Kyle MacGregor
So the PS3 is winning the console war. 51% of people's Xbox's have failed that are not opposed to buying another one. Drop that 30 million consoles sold down to 15 million because half of them are in landfills. ALL HAIL JACK TRETTON!
mr spooky's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:12
mr spooky
PS3 is da best.
Brigadierbleu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:15
Brigadierbleu
I must be part of the 45.8%... I've had two 360s and both run like champions.
taumpytears's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:20
taumpytears
This number is fairly close to the recent class action law suit against Microsoft for this issue's estimation of a failure rate of 50%.
Drachula64's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:20
Drachula64
It sucks they die so fast (Microsoft went with shitty hardware and are paying for it), but its hardly a reason not to own one.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:20
Qraze
haha.
ViciousBoston's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:22
ViciousBoston
@Cadtalfryn Almost true lol. Almost. I'm interested to know if Microsoft when sending out a new Xbox by warranty counts it as a sale number.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:27
Black Nexus
thats sad, sadder still is that people won't stop buying the damn things and they will never fix the problem, there is no incentive to do do it as long as people keep buying. Nothing against the 360 but support of sh!t hardware has to stop, were starting to leave the impression that this is ok to do, and as long as we leave that impression this will never get fix, it will even carry on even into the next generation of consoles because they can get away with it until someone(well alot of someone's) puts their foot down.
AudioTerror's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:28
AudioTerror
My Wii stopped working after a week after launch. My 360 launch console, somehow, still works. Statistics really don't mean much to the individual.

I also highly suggest a weekly offering of chicken blood in a dark ritual to gods unheard of in the time of mortal man to keep your 360 working.
rockydil's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:29
rockydil
As long as MS' customer service and warranties are top notch (my experience with them was anyway), who cares?
Brandnamecommercial's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:31
Brandnamecommercial
@rockydil
"Microsoft also seized the gold medal for unhelpful customer service, taking nearly a month to repair or replace a console, while Nintendo and Sony stuck closer to a week. Only 37.7 percent of Microsoft customers found the company's customer service was "very helpful," compared to 51.1 percent of Sony and 56.1 percent for Nintendo."
/But that's just bigger picture, obviously not your individual experience.
Tarvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:35
Tarvu
10% sounds right for PS3s, though of the 5 people I can think of now that I know with PS3s 3 of them have had to send theirs away with all their precious saves they forgot to back-up.

The truth is that they are made like ass, the original xbox was very reliable so I don't know what went wrong this time. The games on the console keep people on them, and I imagine the pestilent glow of the NXE attracts casual gamers who can't wait for project Natal. The software is going the same way as the hardware but as long as the games are good and it can play my *digital back-up files* then I'm happy with my black box o'crud.

That and I prefer the controllers.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:35
Jon B
A survey of 5000 really isn't reliable, especially since the people who would have participated would also be the people to have played them for excessive amounts of time for them to have overheated. The PS3 failure rate in the survey was 10% or something, and that seems high too.

That said, I'm on my 3rd Xbox. Take that as you will.
ShuperShawn's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:37
ShuperShawn
Well the poll results are proably a little off do to the fact that the people they polled are most likely gamers that play a lot more than the average person therefore, more likely for systems to overheat and die. It's still bullshit though that the 360 fails so much. I wish I went with the PS3 now.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:38
Darren Nakamura
Man, that means it's about 50/50? I got that bad end of a coin flip.
Henker's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:39
Henker
@Brandnamecommercial:

My 360 only took a week to get back. That being said, the face that I had to send it out to them in the first place is total BS. Consoles shouldn't have such a high failure rate.
LOLFONDU's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:41
LOLFONDU
Its 100% failure rate. The people who said it never happened to them just haven't had it happen to them. Come back in a year, it'll be much higher than 50%. Because 1 year ago it was 33% and 2 years back it was 15%. People are just running out of time for their xboxs. I'm on my 3rd console here and my brother is on his 2nd. 3 consoles in 3 years is sad, microsoft.
Steel Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:45
Steel Squirrel
Just can't beat the lineup of games and the online services. At least they come with a 3 year warranty, it's not like they haven't done anything to rectify it. I'm not being a fanboy, just saying... it is worth the trouble of having to return a 360 and not have it for a week and a half to have all of the features and lineup of games. I have gone through two 360s and honestly, it hasn't been that big of an inconvenience. That's just my personal opinion. I don't really want to invest the time and money into getting a new library of games. Plus, paying for a box to ship it back in is worth not having to replay everything on a new console and lose all of my data.

Having said that, I am looking forward to the day when I can get a PS3 towards the end of this console generation. There are a lot of exclusive games that I want to experience eventually. The reality is, some of us can only really invest in one console at a time, in both time and money. None of us could have known that the 360 would have these problems when we purchased it (except for people that continue to buy them after the fact). Microsoft has offered solutions, it cost them over a billion dollars, and I think they handled it rather well. I am looking forward to the next MS console. I can guarantee they learned a lot from this debacle and the next console from them will be more rock solid than the Gamecube and original Xbox combined. Those two can take some serious beatings.

Anyway, can't wait to see what kind of geniuses this article brings out.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:50
Los255
The HDD install is my favorite feature from the NXE and is (hopefully) why I still have my 2nd Xbox intact.
ghets's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:51
ghets
The only people i know who havent had it break on them only use it for an hour or 2 every other week.
thenooby1's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:52
thenooby1
On number 4. So for me, I am at 75%. This is weak. I say people can't complain until it hits high 80s, low 90s.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:55
John B
Fortunately, I got my 360 relatively recently with the lower power chipset and it's got tons of room for airflow. No RRoDs...yet.

My team lead at my old job, however, is a different story. Of his two original 360s, he's had to send them back a total of three times! He finally decided to get an Xbox Arcade just to use it as a reserve out of the (justified) concern that he's going to be sending one of his first two boxes back again! That's incredibly sad.
Eficent's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 20:59
Eficent
3 year warranty doesn't mean crap if you don't get the RROD. My disk drive died and they wouldn't even consider touching it. Out of all my friends that have had a 360, every single one of them has gone out. One of my friends and I died of the crap disk drive, and the other 5 died of RROD. Individual results may vary, but it just seems like it's only a matter of time before they all die.

Saying "People who were polled prolly play theirs more than the average person". All I can say is W T F. What the hell else are you going to do with a gaming system besides play it. There is absolutely no way to justify how crappy the 360 is made.

As a side note I found a Sega Master system in the trash dump while taking my trash off one day. Brought it home and bought some hookups from a local gaming store and it turned on without a hitch. Just a little food for thought.
Paviel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:05
Paviel
@ Cadtalfryn:

Not that it's relevant to this story or anything, but when did the PS3 catch up to the Wii?
moreno's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:05
moreno
all xbox 360s are defective. they used shit material.
Dark Kensou's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:05
Dark Kensou
Holy crap! I'm just shocked Jim didn't pick up this article and took it as a chance for more bashing!
Infinite Combo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:13
Infinite Combo
My 360 died once. I didn't get the RROD but everytime I played the graphics would turn a greenish color. I'm not sure what caused it but it happened during the worst possible time - my Christmas vacation. That's one of the only times I have to play video games 24/7 all day without any pressures or responsibility. I got so mad I went outside, turned to the heavens, and screamed, "DAMN YOU MICROSOFT FOR MAKING SUCH A SHITTY CONSOLE!!" My 360 was fixed and returned to me in January 08 and it hasn't died on me since.

For those that think that PS3s are more stable, mine died once. I updated the firmware and after that it was not able to read discs anymore. Games, DVDs, and blu rays were unrecognizable. Piece of advice for PS3 owners to be - please remember to keep the receipt or some form of proof of purchase. Without it Sony will not honor your 1 year warranty and you'll pay a lot of money to get it fixed.

They don't make consoles like they used to. My Genesis, Dreamcast, N64, and NES are many years older but those systems have never died on me.
Loogibot's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:33
Loogibot
If a car had a 54% failure rate, would you buy it? I'm not suggesting a car and a 360 are the same, but from a consumer stand point it would be unwise to purchase something that has a relatively high damage problem. This is why I'm not buying a 360 until after my PS3. At least then, I'll have something to fill the hole the 360 used to fill, in case it gets defective somehow. This may seem fanboyish, but even I must admit there are some 360 exclusive I'd love to get my hands on.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:37
pedrovay2003
Guaranteed all those PS3s are actually 60gb and 20gb models, too.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:38
pedrovay2003
Gah, damn, sticky fingers. Yeah, this is why I don't have a 360 anymore. When my old one got the Red Ring, that was because it was left in my cold car for a while, but I also don't even think it should have done it then. Did the same thing with my PS3 and Wii, and those worked fine right away.

And even if the Red Ring problem was fixed, doesn't the DVD drive have issues still, too?
casualweaponry's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:46
casualweaponry
I'm still on my original launch day 360. I kinda wish it would die so I would have a reason to buy an HDMI 360.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:49
timtheterrible
"But I don't think it's stopping anyone from enjoying the console."

It's stopping me. My second RROD occurred last week, and Microsoft wants to charge me $100+ for repairs to the faulty console they sent me to make up for the faulty console they sold me? FUCK THEM.
Konrad9's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 21:58
Konrad9
Tim, there's a time limit. An extremely generous time limit in which I can not think of any other business that would have offered free repairs as long as they did.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:11
timtheterrible
It's not the time limit, it's the fact that they knowingly shipped a faulty products, then, in my case, replaced said faulty product with another faulty product. What good is it if the 360 they sent me after breaks sooner than the one I initially bought? I wasn't playing it in the shower, their hardware is simply shit patched together with Elmer's glue. In short, do I believe that a $400+ piece of hardware, used properly, should last longer than three years? Hell yes. I didn't intend to rent a console from Microsoft for $100 dollars a year. Again, FUCK THEM.
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:33
Doos
I'm on my 4th. I've only paid for one. MS is losing money hand over fist with the replacements. I don't think that they enjoy the fact that their system is shit.

They needed to come out first and fast this gen.. they did. Here's the result. They're making money on one end and shitting it out on the other.

That's fine by me, as long as they make enough in the meantime to make a bigger better console the next time.

Judging by the amount of people on my friends list buying Avatar shit, I'm sure they're going to do just fine. Evil fucking geniuses that they are.
Segasonicdude's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:34
Segasonicdude
On my 2nd 360 and it is a Elite and has had no Problems so far but I didnt spend anything on the 1st cause it was a Contest Prize I Won before me and my brothers knew of the Horrors of what could happen and started building a Library for the Console

and that one had a Slew of Problems Including Etching Rings in the Game Disc and 2 Lines of the Red Ring when ever we played a Game with a Large Map such as Spider-man Web of Shadows or Assassins Creed

My brothers and I have Nearly Every Console thats been made over the past 20+ years and Ive never seen as many problems occur with any of them combined with all that Ive Experienced or heard of about the 360

also I dont own one yet but a friend of Mine just had his PS3 Fail on him (overheat with the Yellow Lights)

But My Wii is a Launch Console and Still Works Great

also

Segasonicdude's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:38
Segasonicdude
because the Punchline got Cropped off

SuitcoatAvenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:39
SuitcoatAvenger
I've had so many 360's crap out on me, it's ridiculous. I even bought a cheap, used backup just to buffer myself, and it died too.

It's been said before, but apply this failure rate to, say, a car, and you would have lawsuit-a-palooza.
Arch649's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:40
Arch649
I've had my 360 for a year and a half and no RRoD. I guess I got lucky.
ndschroede23's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:42
ndschroede23
I've had a 360 since spring 2006, and I'm on either my 3rd or 4th version, can't remember which. If I could go back to when I got a 360, I very well might consider the PS3. The hardware issues just aren't worth it sometimes.
Arkhon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:43
Arkhon
My Elite's disk drive stopped working about a year ago. I shipped it to Microsoft and they replaced it for free. I got it back after about two weeks. The only annoying thing about the whole process was transferring the licenses to my new console so I could use all the DLC and stuff I had downloaded for the old one.
Calamansi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:51
Calamansi
my Dreamcast still works. And it has Marvel VS Capcom 2.
threedee's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:52
threedee
Well, not directly relevant but i'm on third PS3 - one blown power supply, one screwed up firmware update. Third one holds for now.

As for xbox i've waited till something has been done about RROD to buy it.. namely Jasper (pro 60gb in my case)... Hopefully those wont be falling like flies...

I have a small collection of consoles and personal computers spanning some 30 years, ant more prone to failure than 360 were only russian made BK0010 computers, which were blowing memory chips like crazy...

Even my Amiga 2000 circa 1986 still in perfect working order after thorough rape of games, graphics and print editing...

PS1 apart from first gen where sony cheapened and put plastic rails for optic slider (which was easily fixed by me) still works...

I just cannot understand how such a big and apparently smart company (being evil and greedy is another matter) made such a huge mistake of launching a console so faulty that... i'll let you finish...
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:53
Crunshii
I just love reading these posts, lol. People who complain about it yet still go and buy a 2nd console just so they have one working for while the other is getting fixed, lol.

This will never get old, this is the same addiction people have when trying to quit smoking but dont.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 22:57
hpv
Konrad9: Can you think of any other company that would ship such a defective product for as long as Microsoft has continued to ship defective 360s?

Since no one seems to have the question asked in this survey I'm going to assume that it's 54.2% of respondents who have had a 360 die and probably not giving anything close to the failure rate, in one direction or another. From anecdotal evidence I'd assume that at least one replacement was required for each initial replacement unit (definitely closer to that than one replacement and done), so the failure rate is probably a lot higher than the reported 54.2%.

But I'm also going to assume that their numbers are a bit high, since we'd be hearing a LOT more complaints about PS3 failures if 10% of owners were having that problem. I'd never even heard of the yellow light problem with the PS3.
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