I wish I'd played Wow, then I could have had so many more double entendres relating to it in my post. :(

Next it will be cults... mmh.. guilds getting together to mass suicide! /hurray

I was going to ask if she was hot but a little googleing found this

Now I wonder if the guy was not easy on the eyes as well for him to want to settle for this.

Subject117:

First, I don't understand what you mean by the first paragraph. I wasn't bashing the medium their relationship took part in, just the age gap. I don't care that they met in WoW. I know many people who've formed happy relationships after meeting online, and hold them in no higher or lower value.

Second, a 17 - 31 age gap is, quite frankly, pathetic, and more than a little creepy. If she were 18 - early 20's, I wouldn't find it even half as ridiculous, but at 31, you'd have to be severely mentally stunted to have enough in common with a 17 year old to 'fall in love'.

I dunno. I met my wife online and we spent quite a bit of time e-dating before we actually met up in the flesh. When all you can do is talk, there's quite a bit you get to know about a person.

That said, I'm in agreement with subject117. I know lots of couples who have one in their 50's and the other in their 40's for example. Nobody talks about their age gap, even if they met at 17 and 27, for example. Sometimes, love and maturity don't have a specific age like "18".

My e-peen crushes e-childrens.

Mister Disco: Doesn't matter if nobody talks about it. No matter the age, if you're a decade apart, there's something wrong. The elder one has had a breadth of experience that far outweights the younger. 40 - 50 would still raise an eyebrow from me.

yeah, your typical Joe Burling Twist because his daddy didn't love him, and he developed an intense hatred for aussies after he got the shits after eating at the Outback Steakhouse.

I applaud you.

Well you're obviously welcome to your opinion, Jim, but I can honestly say that everyone in the world doesn't fit into neat little packages with expected intelligence levels and maturity levels at specific ages. Experience counts for a lot, but each individual is different. I just don't think we should all be judged by some default scale, that's all.

All this talk is making me think of a part in some movie where the guy says, "The good thing about high school girls is that I keep getting older and they keep staying the same age." Damn, what movie is this from?

@ Milfo,

I believe it was dazed and confused....and i like your percentage analysis

I really don't see a problem with the age issue. I don't think age should matter if two people actually care about each other and have enough in common to have a relationship. The only mistake she made was not being smart about it and waiting until he was 18 and legal. But, then again, even then I don't really have a problem with the age difference, as long as it's all consensual why should anyone object? When I was 16, I actually had a 27 year old woman interested in me and we dated for a little while. That's an 11 year age difference, and I've never had anyone say it was wrong or anything.

If you ever have a 16 year-old daughter living at home, and a 27 year-old guy was interested in dating her, are you prepared to shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, if he LOVES her . . ."

I would hope not, because I'd heavily scrutinize this guy's idea of "love". What would someone that age POSSIBLY have in common with a 16 year-old? Still in high school, still missing out on a lot of experience and maturity (and "mature for a 16 year-old" does NOT equal "mature enough to date a 27 year-old").

I'm sorry, but anytime I see an age gap THAT big, I immediately wonder what the elder person's damage is. If a person is nearly a decade older than another yet manages to find them intellectually stimulating enough, then that person is obviously undeveloped - intellectually and most likely emotionally. And these are exactly the types of guys who, say, pressure the naive 16 year-old into letting him have sex with her without a condom, or do any other kind of dangerous shit. One can smoke, the other can't; one can vote, the other can't. One can DRINK, the other can't.

The disparity is huge. And even if you get higher up there in age - it may not be illegal, but it's uneven. To me, the thought of dating a much-older guy is gross. I'd wonder why he couldn't appeal to a woman his own age.

I bristle at people who are fine with allowing society to squeak by on the bare minimum. I'd never try to make my viewpoints into LAW; I'd much rather see people actually make the correct decisions instead of thinking with their genitalia. If I'm 30 years-old, I wouldn't WANT an 18 year-old, legal or not. The years between 18-25 are years of incredible growth and education. I'm not going to take those away from some kid and expect him to fulfill my desire to be completely monogamous and take on responsibilities that come with cohabitation. He'd still deserve the chance to be young.

I'd be hardpressed to find a May-December relationship that wasn't an act of complete selfishness on the part of the elder partner.

[i] Jim Sterling says:
07/02/2007 14:38
Until now. That's fucked up.

Seriously, I'm surprised at a few people here.
[/i]

I concur.

Seriously, a decade or more difference is strange. Maybe not in 14th century Europe where 30-year-old males wed and impregnated a girl at 13, but definitely strange nowadays.

I don't really care how "mature" the younger kid is for his age. Some of you claimed things don't fit in neat little packages but continue to classify 'maturity' as such as well. What's mature, exactly? Is mental maturity the point at which you claim the kid doesn't play with GI Joes or Barbie dolls as much anymore and thus worthy of a good introductory shagging?

And lets not kid ourselves here, lots of older people go out with much younger folk solely because the kids want to experience sex so badly, they'll do it with anyone. And the older coots want it now because they stare at the mirror and get all sad about their age and wish to deny it.

I mean, for Critter's sakes, let the kids be kids and get your own damn friends you old perves.

She looks like a 31 year old going on 16. Kinda creepy. Just like this whole topic. She was stupid for letting things get that carried away to begin with as the older 'mature' person supposedly. I thought it was a joke at first, but she really did fly to another hemisphere to bone a young dude. Freaky.

I was wondering if she was hot. I was wondering what the problem was. Then I saw that picture of her.

Haha, I wonder if the dude was telling his bodies online that he's going go to bang a hot 30 year old. Maybe so..

I think humans changed the rules AS they expected more of themselves. It wasn't a thing to marry a 13 year-old to some older guy back in the 16th century because 1) there were less people around there, 2) they were far more agrarian and needed more workers to help, 3) the life expectancy was a lot shorter and 4) mostly, boys and girls had little else to expect for themselves but getting married, having children, surviving and dying, leaving their own kids to repeat the process.

As we've become more of a society of leisure, of marrying and pairing for LOVE, we place standards on it. That's not to say they're WRONG, they're just different than they used to be. I think, even BACK in the dark ages, marriages should've been about love, not just continuation of the species. We're above animals.

But exactly, you're more attracted to people within a 5 year age range - I'm not EXACTLY sure why, I but I assume if it's in a romantic respect, it's because you've got something in common with them, intellectually or emotionally. There's a reason high school girls are typically annoying to adults - the concerns that are so crucial to them are small potatoes to us. Why? Different experiences. Age. We know better.

That's why I find a much older man or woman who can be attracted to a high schooler disgusting - that person is obviously grossly immature to find such a person INTERESTING romantically. Either that, or "interest" doesn't truly come into the picture, and it's a completely sex-based attraction. Either is insulting and pointless, and if it was my kid, it'd earn someone a quick slice across the throat.

People are actually defending a 31 year-old woman's relationship with a 17 year-old boy? God, some of you are starting to creep me out.

I was 24 when I finally went out with the hotest single skinny dirty-blonde but with an nice @$$ milf on the MMO server I used to play with. she was 36, she payed for for teh whole trip and we stayed near canada, Buffalo. And we both understood our age difference and that we wanted some cuddling time n just have fun. Of course I brought her presents and i made damn sure she had a good time, and we both had fun. I honestly wished she was 10 years younger or me 10 years older or so, I might have stayed with her.

btw it wasnt WoW.

Some of you people really need to run what pedophilia is on Wikipedia.

Also, learning the term pre-pubescent might be a good idea.

I didn't twist what you said, AngryI. You brought up the word fetish. Something tells me you're using "fetish" in much the sense that the porn industry uses the word "fetish", in that it's as simple as "something a person likes sexually".

That isn't what a fetish is. You're painting me to be some sexually repressed Jesus-freak or a moral Molly. Yes, I do have morals, but my take is this: if you like having your arse spanked, if you like feet, if you're a man who wants to dress like a woman, go ahead and knock yourself out. Have fun; that's what it's all about, at least for me (as I damned sure don't want more children).

A real, honest-to-goodness FETISH is a paraphilia. Typically, it's a non-sexual object or condition (in and of itself) that is sexualized to a degree where its presence MUST be available in order for the person to feel aroused. That's why you can't have a "penis fetish" or a "breast fetish". Those are inherently sexual body parts, mostly.

I don't know about you, but I'll tell you, I'm a sucker for a man in a suit. I LOVE suits. I certainly don't mind having sex with a man in a suit. That's not a fetish; that's an attraction. That's something that turns me on.

I do NOT have to have a person in a suit in order to feel sexual arousal. Someone who WOULD have to have that has a true fetish, and YES, I would find something wrong with that. Even sexual turn-ons that I don't find repugnant (and there aren't many, before you go presuming I'm so straightlaced again), I would consider unhealthy if someone had an actual FETISH for them.

And let me clarify, when I said "you" as in "wanting to fuck kids" that was meant as a general "you", meaning pedophiles, not YOU actually. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Anyway, the point is, WAY too many confuse fetishes for turn-ons. Turn-ons are fine, and even if something doesn't rind my bell, hey, as long as you're not hurting anyone, go for it. Generally, the psychiatric community even agrees - it might be a mental hang-up to have a fetish, but if it's something harmless like a foot fetish, whatever. Let's just hope you marry a foot model.

A fetish for any specific age group that is below the age of consent IS harmful. Luring a minor away from his country, that IS harmful. And the reason we have general agreement from most of decent civilization is because we DO try to live above animals. Animals may have sex with relatives and with those of their kind who are very young because they don't see anything but reproductive ability. We as humans expect more from people, and my own opinion is, I expect more from humanity than the simple bare minimum the law allows. I'd have looked down on this woman even IF the guy was 18 because I think the age gap is disgusting, for all the aforementioned reasons. I don't seek to make my opinion the law, it's just how I feel. I think I have very lucid, logical reasons for feeling how I do.

The problem, for me at least, is the point at which each person is in their respective lives. This 31 year old trying to get it on with a 17 year old is very squicky to me. However, had they met when she was 51 and he was 37, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.

The age difference makes less of a difference the older both people are. While a 90, 80, or 70 year old trying to get it on with a 30, 40 even 50 year old would still squick me out, with the squickiness steadily increasing the larger the age gap got, I wouldn't say that it was flat out wrong. And I'd have no problem at all with 60/50 or 50/40. Yet, if that 60 or 50 year and that 50 or 40 year had met and tried to get it on when the older of them was 20-27 and the younger was 10-17, I'd be calling the fucking police myself. Even 18-21 with 28-31 would cause me to raise an eyebrow or two, but I wouldn't be quite as squicked by it, if only because at that point it would be none of my damn business anyway.

@BlackDove

Yeah, this is more a case of ephebophilia, rather than pedophilia.

@ProtossX

An 18 year old girl fucking and dating a 60 year old dude is sick and wrong. Just as sick and wrong as an 18 year old guy fucking and dating a 60 year old woman.

In my opinion.