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Will Call of Duty 4 cheapen the 'plight' of soldiers? photo

It has been said that war games trivialize real war, reducing it to spectacle and throwaway entertainment. No different from the mainstream news, really, but it's videogames that are the scapegoat because, well, they're videogames. In preparation for its release, an advisor for Call of Duty 4 pre-emptively denied claims that videogames cheapen war.

“I think it draws some awareness to the issue, and in the case of World War II games, I think it taught history," said Hank Keirsey, a military veteran and advisor for the Call of Duty series. “There are kids who would never have any interest in what their great-grandfathers did before they died, but they’re compelled to get on the phone and say, ‘Dad or granddad or great-granddad, I just played this game. I’ve talked to my mom and she said you were in that fight somewhere. What weapon did you carry? A Thompson?'”

He makes a good point. I myself have been educated in history and gained new worldly interests thanks to games in the past. Of course, with Infinity Ward's latest being brought from the World War II era into a modern age, expect to have such ideals ignored should people bemoan games cheapening the so-called "plight" of men and women who willingly signed up to do the job they're doing -- because a soldier actually fighting is just such an unheard of, insane thing.

I only have one question -- how could a videogame or, indeed, anything, trivialize war as much as war trivializes itself?


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twinkiebots's Avatar
twinkiebots at 11/05/2007 19:10
Did Doom 3 cheapen the plight of demons?
Eschatos's Avatar
Eschatos at 11/05/2007 19:17
I have one question -- how could a war trivialize video games as much as video games trivialize themselves? Contemplate that one for a while, why dontcha.
Eschatos's Avatar
Eschatos at 11/05/2007 19:18
Did Final Fantasy cheapen the plight of chocobos?
PrinceofCannedPeaches's Avatar
PrinceofCannedPeaches at 11/05/2007 19:29
Like Katamari Damacy cheapens the plight out otherworldly princes that roll giant sticky balls around.
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Zanch at 11/05/2007 19:29
Man...can't everyone just...shut up and shoot things anymore? Why all the protest?
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fantomfreq at 11/05/2007 19:31
I'm not exactly sure what the 'plight of soldiers' is. Consider the fact that I myself am a soldier. Many of the infantry people in my unit love what they do. Also, the fact that a huge portion of the soldier population play video games.

Any time a soldier can come back from a hard day of wearing body armor and carrying around a weapon and play a war game, I'd consider that a wholehearted endorsement of the genre.
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SourGr8pes at 11/05/2007 19:36
Did River City Ransom cheapen the plight of street gangs worldwide?

Actually, you can learn lots of history, depending on the game. I used to spend a lot of time in the Civilopedia and the Age of Empires in game database.
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JonDarkwood at 11/05/2007 19:48
It's not like most soldiers do what they do so people will recognize them as national heroes. I give the "videogames cheapen war" argument a respectable four yawns out of five.
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WDot at 11/05/2007 19:55
One would hope that video games would eventually REPLACE war, but I sadly can't hold my breath on that.

Call of Duty doesn't treat the subject with disrespect, so I don't see why people would get upset.
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nademagnet at 11/05/2007 20:02
Did Battle Toads cheapen the plight of Toads, Frogs, and other amphibians everywhere?
Eschatos's Avatar
Eschatos at 11/05/2007 20:06
Did Crysis cheapen the plight of North Korean soldiers?

Did Bioshock cheapen the plight of Splicers?

Did Psychonauts cheapen the plight of super powered secret agents?

Did Halo cheapen the plight of super soldiers with shiny faces?
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deiga-the-semivaliant at 11/05/2007 20:11
On the other hand, according to MOH Airborn, the Nazis had super soldiers that all wore gas masks and utilized miniguns, in addition to huge monolithic DOOM FORTRESS.


Hollah.
Cheeburga's Avatar
Cheeburga at 11/05/2007 20:25
E.T. caused 9/11
Agent Nixon's Avatar
Agent Nixon at 11/05/2007 20:33
@ Deiga
AMERICA.. FUCK YEAH!
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Professor Pew at 11/05/2007 20:54
It will only make you hate dogs. I thought the storyline was very well done compared to COD1 and COD2. Perhaps the end credits rap song about Infinity Ward was not representative for the current wars/skirmishes though.
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luvmysegadc at 11/05/2007 21:06
"America's Army" is a video game and as a matter of fact, is THE OFFICIAL GAME OF THE U.S. ARMY. Enough said.
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Corak at 11/05/2007 21:08
I consider the game a tribute to the soliders out there. When I played the demo it kinda hit home that the soliders over in Iraq right now have to watch out for stuff like that on a daily basis. It made me stop and think holy crap what if I was over there now and had to deal with snipers, IEDs and what not. If anyone knows any service men/women either in active duty or not be sure to thank them for the freedoms that we enjoy. Take it from myself, I have a friend who is a navy recruiter, and another who is a ranger, it makes their day when you tell them and are sincere about it.
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infinity at 11/05/2007 21:12
@WDot

do you mean massive online deathmatches to settle territorial disputes? because that would be pretty cool, except for all the racial slurs and whatnot.
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Sharpless at 11/05/2007 21:22
If this cheapens war, then every form of fictional entertainment - games, books, movies, TV - that has come before it has also cheapened war and the soldiers. Seriously, it's not like they're making fun of soldiers or war. Good grief.
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Holiday at 11/05/2007 21:37
Oh yeah, first it's about Manhunt 2 being "art" and then it's how war games teach kids valuable history lessons.

I think I need a bigger shovel.
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WDot at 11/05/2007 21:45
infinity: Pretty much, but from what I hear dynamite and the Olympics were supposed to end war too, and that didn't work out so well. =/

Still, if we could make video games a worldwide thing ie. not just first-world countries and some others, I think it could be a good replacement for when diplomacy can't solve it. =p
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Paul Soth at 11/05/2007 21:52
Deiga beat me to it.

"Hitler on a giant robot spider."
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SourGr8pes at 11/05/2007 22:06
The worldwide threat of a Hitler ruled world was ultimately defeated by the heroic efforts of Bionic Commando.
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grrza at 11/05/2007 22:32
Huh, these games are far more reverential toward soldiers than most things dealing with actual war: the major (pulp) media, i.e, FOX, CNN, etc.; the president and his cronies; most politicians for that matter; the profiteering corporations; etc.

Anyway, I guess you summed that up in your last question there Jim, but I think it's helpful to actually spell it out. Good call.
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Pawn45 at 11/05/2007 23:09
I had to login and comment about this since I am a soldier. Or was, for that matter. A purple heart from Iraq and subsequent military retirement will do that.

CoD4 or any other "war game" out there doesn't cheapen what I've done, or what my brothers and sisters are doing out there now. Games != real life, no matter what some crazy soccer moms or sensationalist news reporters think.

When I played the beta, I was actually amazed. The game is remarkably accurate. The scenery is realistic. It looks like actual places my boots stomped across.

If anything, CoD4 is a tribute. And yes, I'm buying the game. Hit me up on live: Pawn45.
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JeRe38 at 11/05/2007 23:40
you know what, I'm a soldier, and my Dad is currently over there. I don't think it trivializes it at all. Of course it would piss me off if they got some things way out of proportion or something, or made the soldiers look like dipshits. It's like, does the FIFA series make David Beckham piss him self in anger?
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Samit Sarkar at 11/06/2007 00:43
As far as I’m concerned, if we can have soldiers come in here and nullify this question, then it’s not an issue at all.

And to all of you who did comment here, such as Pawn45 and fantomfreq, I’d like to give you all a shout-out and a sincere note of thanks for your service. I’m certainly not up to it, but I’m glad someone is.
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Ryuhanta at 11/06/2007 04:16
Did Madden08 cheapen the plight of football soldiers. No. It just made them look better.
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gamesronlygames at 11/06/2007 08:02
If it cheapens war why does the Army support Americas Army FPS video games with the aim towards recruiting. No it is not cheapening or trivial if it is well done and accurate.
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savagesaladin at 11/06/2007 09:27
Man I can't wait till this comes in the mail today. I totally can't wait to kill some Marines. I HATE MARINES!
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carmatic at 11/13/2007 19:44
then again, in americas army, the opposing team is always the side that america happens to be fighting against, and you always play as the US side... how will being able to take the other side and fight against americans go down in the media?
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