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Will Call of Duty 4 cheapen the 'plight' of soldiers? photo

It has been said that war games trivialize real war, reducing it to spectacle and throwaway entertainment. No different from the mainstream news, really, but it's videogames that are the scapegoat because, well, they're videogames. In preparation for its release, an advisor for Call of Duty 4 pre-emptively denied claims that videogames cheapen war.

“I think it draws some awareness to the issue, and in the case of World War II games, I think it taught history," said Hank Keirsey, a military veteran and advisor for the Call of Duty series. “There are kids who would never have any interest in what their great-grandfathers did before they died, but they’re compelled to get on the phone and say, ‘Dad or granddad or great-granddad, I just played this game. I’ve talked to my mom and she said you were in that fight somewhere. What weapon did you carry? A Thompson?'”

He makes a good point. I myself have been educated in history and gained new worldly interests thanks to games in the past. Of course, with Infinity Ward's latest being brought from the World War II era into a modern age, expect to have such ideals ignored should people bemoan games cheapening the so-called "plight" of men and women who willingly signed up to do the job they're doing -- because a soldier actually fighting is just such an unheard of, insane thing.

I only have one question -- how could a videogame or, indeed, anything, trivialize war as much as war trivializes itself?








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twinkiebots's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:10
twinkiebots
Did Doom 3 cheapen the plight of demons?
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:17
Eschatos
I have one question -- how could a war trivialize video games as much as video games trivialize themselves? Contemplate that one for a while, why dontcha.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:18
Eschatos
Did Final Fantasy cheapen the plight of chocobos?
PrinceofCannedPeaches's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:29
PrinceofCannedPeaches
Like Katamari Damacy cheapens the plight out otherworldly princes that roll giant sticky balls around.
Zanch's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:29
Zanch
Man...can't everyone just...shut up and shoot things anymore? Why all the protest?
fantomfreq's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:31
fantomfreq
I'm not exactly sure what the 'plight of soldiers' is. Consider the fact that I myself am a soldier. Many of the infantry people in my unit love what they do. Also, the fact that a huge portion of the soldier population play video games.

Any time a soldier can come back from a hard day of wearing body armor and carrying around a weapon and play a war game, I'd consider that a wholehearted endorsement of the genre.
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:36
SourGr8pes
Did River City Ransom cheapen the plight of street gangs worldwide?

Actually, you can learn lots of history, depending on the game. I used to spend a lot of time in the Civilopedia and the Age of Empires in game database.
JonDarkwood's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:48
JonDarkwood
It's not like most soldiers do what they do so people will recognize them as national heroes. I give the "videogames cheapen war" argument a respectable four yawns out of five.
WDot's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 19:55
WDot
One would hope that video games would eventually REPLACE war, but I sadly can't hold my breath on that.

Call of Duty doesn't treat the subject with disrespect, so I don't see why people would get upset.
nademagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 20:02
nademagnet
Did Battle Toads cheapen the plight of Toads, Frogs, and other amphibians everywhere?
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 20:06
Eschatos
Did Crysis cheapen the plight of North Korean soldiers?

Did Bioshock cheapen the plight of Splicers?

Did Psychonauts cheapen the plight of super powered secret agents?

Did Halo cheapen the plight of super soldiers with shiny faces?
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 20:11
deiga-the-semivaliant
On the other hand, according to MOH Airborn, the Nazis had super soldiers that all wore gas masks and utilized miniguns, in addition to huge monolithic DOOM FORTRESS.


Hollah.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 20:25
Cheeburga
E.T. caused 9/11
Agent Nixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 20:33
Agent Nixon
@ Deiga
AMERICA.. FUCK YEAH!
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 20:54
Maurice Tan
It will only make you hate dogs. I thought the storyline was very well done compared to COD1 and COD2. Perhaps the end credits rap song about Infinity Ward was not representative for the current wars/skirmishes though.
luvmysegadc's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 21:06
luvmysegadc
"America's Army" is a video game and as a matter of fact, is THE OFFICIAL GAME OF THE U.S. ARMY. Enough said.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 21:08
Corak
I consider the game a tribute to the soliders out there. When I played the demo it kinda hit home that the soliders over in Iraq right now have to watch out for stuff like that on a daily basis. It made me stop and think holy crap what if I was over there now and had to deal with snipers, IEDs and what not. If anyone knows any service men/women either in active duty or not be sure to thank them for the freedoms that we enjoy. Take it from myself, I have a friend who is a navy recruiter, and another who is a ranger, it makes their day when you tell them and are sincere about it.
infinity's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 21:12
infinity
@WDot

do you mean massive online deathmatches to settle territorial disputes? because that would be pretty cool, except for all the racial slurs and whatnot.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 21:22
Sharpless
If this cheapens war, then every form of fictional entertainment - games, books, movies, TV - that has come before it has also cheapened war and the soldiers. Seriously, it's not like they're making fun of soldiers or war. Good grief.
Holiday's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 21:37
Holiday
Oh yeah, first it's about Manhunt 2 being "art" and then it's how war games teach kids valuable history lessons.

I think I need a bigger shovel.
WDot's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 21:45
WDot
infinity: Pretty much, but from what I hear dynamite and the Olympics were supposed to end war too, and that didn't work out so well. =/

Still, if we could make video games a worldwide thing ie. not just first-world countries and some others, I think it could be a good replacement for when diplomacy can't solve it. =p
Paul Soth's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 21:52
Paul Soth
Deiga beat me to it.

"Hitler on a giant robot spider."
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 22:06
SourGr8pes
The worldwide threat of a Hitler ruled world was ultimately defeated by the heroic efforts of Bionic Commando.
grrza's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 22:32
grrza
Huh, these games are far more reverential toward soldiers than most things dealing with actual war: the major (pulp) media, i.e, FOX, CNN, etc.; the president and his cronies; most politicians for that matter; the profiteering corporations; etc.

Anyway, I guess you summed that up in your last question there Jim, but I think it's helpful to actually spell it out. Good call.
Pawn45's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 23:09
Pawn45
I had to login and comment about this since I am a soldier. Or was, for that matter. A purple heart from Iraq and subsequent military retirement will do that.

CoD4 or any other "war game" out there doesn't cheapen what I've done, or what my brothers and sisters are doing out there now. Games != real life, no matter what some crazy soccer moms or sensationalist news reporters think.

When I played the beta, I was actually amazed. The game is remarkably accurate. The scenery is realistic. It looks like actual places my boots stomped across.

If anything, CoD4 is a tribute. And yes, I'm buying the game. Hit me up on live: Pawn45.
JeRe38's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2007 23:40
JeRe38
you know what, I'm a soldier, and my Dad is currently over there. I don't think it trivializes it at all. Of course it would piss me off if they got some things way out of proportion or something, or made the soldiers look like dipshits. It's like, does the FIFA series make David Beckham piss him self in anger?
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2007 00:43
Samit Sarkar
As far as I’m concerned, if we can have soldiers come in here and nullify this question, then it’s not an issue at all.

And to all of you who did comment here, such as Pawn45 and fantomfreq, I’d like to give you all a shout-out and a sincere note of thanks for your service. I’m certainly not up to it, but I’m glad someone is.
Ryuhanta's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2007 04:16
Ryuhanta
Did Madden08 cheapen the plight of football soldiers. No. It just made them look better.
gamesronlygames's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2007 08:02
gamesronlygames
If it cheapens war why does the Army support Americas Army FPS video games with the aim towards recruiting. No it is not cheapening or trivial if it is well done and accurate.
savagesaladin's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2007 09:27
savagesaladin
Man I can't wait till this comes in the mail today. I totally can't wait to kill some Marines. I HATE MARINES!
carmatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2007 19:44
carmatic
then again, in americas army, the opposing team is always the side that america happens to be fighting against, and you always play as the US side... how will being able to take the other side and fight against americans go down in the media?
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