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Well, it depends. If this is exclusively to the Miiverse social hub, I don't really see a problem, since you'll just see a bunch of random people on your screen saying random things about random games and you will not directly interact with them. But if, say, you want to talk to someone in NintendoLand and you have to wait for your message to be approved so that other person can see it... that would be terrible.
When I think of online gaming and how "gamers" communicate, I think filters are almost entirely necessary to maintain the kind of environment Nintendo wants.
No different than moderating a forum, really. No one really wants thier forum to be a place where people feel threatened, offended or unwelcome.
I don't go on Live mostly because of what I know I'll be hearing (aside from the mouth-breathing). I avoid CoD and BF for that reason.
It just shouldn't be part of my experience to have to filter and block each jackass I meet.
Gamers could just stand to look st thier vocabulary every now and again.
No different than moderating a forum, really. No one really wants thier forum to be a place where people feel threatened, offended or unwelcome.
I don't go on Live mostly because of what I know I'll be hearing (aside from the mouth-breathing). I avoid CoD and BF for that reason.
It just shouldn't be part of my experience to have to filter and block each jackass I meet.
Gamers could just stand to look st thier vocabulary every now and again.
This is how I understand it will work:
You can leave "public" comments in games. These will be screened and moderated, not unlike a message board, by both human beings as well as a computer system.
Now, the questions this raises are:
1) Can you leave "private" messages to your friends, and will these be screened?
2) Is there a different "chat" type system for messages, and will THAT be screened.
I would assume the logical answers are "yes" to private posts, "yes" to chat rooms and "no" to screening on both.
You can leave "public" comments in games. These will be screened and moderated, not unlike a message board, by both human beings as well as a computer system.
Now, the questions this raises are:
1) Can you leave "private" messages to your friends, and will these be screened?
2) Is there a different "chat" type system for messages, and will THAT be screened.
I would assume the logical answers are "yes" to private posts, "yes" to chat rooms and "no" to screening on both.
I wonder if they'd be able to filter out each message if me and a whole lot of others continuously spammed penis drawings at the same time. Oh my god......that's a great idea!
Speak for yourself, you fa--evilmonkeyman289.
This is the stupidest shit, yet. This is exactly why the Japanese can't do anything internet/online-related properly.
Look at the shitty Demon Souls "online" shit. You chose from pre-selected messages.
Look at Street Fighter 4's "comment" system; more pre-selected messages.
This was my very first fear as soon as I saw this feature; "Is this going to be limited in any way for the purpose of maintaining some kind of artificially-sanitized protective bubble to protect the children?"
Fucking Japan, get your head out of your ass.
This is the stupidest shit, yet. This is exactly why the Japanese can't do anything internet/online-related properly.
Look at the shitty Demon Souls "online" shit. You chose from pre-selected messages.
Look at Street Fighter 4's "comment" system; more pre-selected messages.
This was my very first fear as soon as I saw this feature; "Is this going to be limited in any way for the purpose of maintaining some kind of artificially-sanitized protective bubble to protect the children?"
Fucking Japan, get your head out of your ass.
@Rammstein
Wow, jumping to conclusions, much?
Miiverse is a message board and public comments system. Can you get censored in a message board? Yes.
Stop overreacting.
Wow, jumping to conclusions, much?
Miiverse is a message board and public comments system. Can you get censored in a message board? Yes.
Stop overreacting.
it's hard to imagine the amount of puerile bullshit these human filters will have to wade through. i can see it now, rooms full of silent, lifeless ex humans working 20 hours a day, only to go home and dream of millions of crudely drawn penises and deformed mario faces.
It is sooo not okay, they should use filters and a report option for all the 12 year old boy girls using racist slang.
Personally, i think it's extremely unnecessary.
Let users flag stuff that's inappropriate, set up an automatic filter system and stop letting children pretend the worlds always a super friendly perfect amazing place.
I'm all for avoiding stuff and keeping things out of kids lives that just aren't meant for them, but, i at feel there's a line where it's just ridiculous.
and this is past said line in my book.
Let users flag stuff that's inappropriate, set up an automatic filter system and stop letting children pretend the worlds always a super friendly perfect amazing place.
I'm all for avoiding stuff and keeping things out of kids lives that just aren't meant for them, but, i at feel there's a line where it's just ridiculous.
and this is past said line in my book.
They need to make this part of the parental controls - ie. a parent can opt a child's system into receiving only Nintendo-approved messages whereas I can send my friends whatever the fuck I want and know they'll read it because we've all been over 18 for a decade.
Umm... I was suspecting to start hearing this. Too good to be true to have a fully functional communication system. I don't mind if they screen the post from people I do not know. But if someone is on my friends list they should be able to post whatever they want since I approved to see their messages.
@Swanny
"...i at feel there's a line where it's just ridiculous."
Here's the thing, though: where that line is drawn is different for everyone. The only way to make the most people happy about it is to put it REALLY close to full censorship.
"...i at feel there's a line where it's just ridiculous."
Here's the thing, though: where that line is drawn is different for everyone. The only way to make the most people happy about it is to put it REALLY close to full censorship.
@conrado: Don't tell me what to do. You're as #WORSEthanAIDS as Japan is.
@evilmonkeybro: your* umad? this is me giving a fuck. ;D If the internet is too much for you, don't use it. Simple. Censorship of any kind is #WORSEthanAIDS.
@evilmonkeybro: your* umad? this is me giving a fuck. ;D If the internet is too much for you, don't use it. Simple. Censorship of any kind is #WORSEthanAIDS.
I'm sure he meant the messages posted on the public forum of Miiverse, you couldnt hire enough people to read and scrutinize every message sent by everyone.
You know, a small part of me somewhat applauds the effort. You'll never find a more wretched cesspool of humanity than gamers online.
But you can't fight it. You just can't. You can't fight the dicks. The dicks shall overwhelm all. The dicks shall consume everything! THE DICKS CANNOT BE STOPPED!
Plus, if they also monitor private messages, this will go from "futile" to "suicidal".
But you can't fight it. You just can't. You can't fight the dicks. The dicks shall overwhelm all. The dicks shall consume everything! THE DICKS CANNOT BE STOPPED!
Plus, if they also monitor private messages, this will go from "futile" to "suicidal".
When I first heard this, I thought it was including messaging friends which would just be stupid. If it's just the public messages that get moderated, i have no problem.
This seems to be about the Miiverse public messages, which are not used for actual conversation. A lag in posting to appearance isn't a big deal here, IMO. And content monitoring makes sense. I mean, You can't say ANYTHING you want in a newspaper add/classified, so why would you be able to in a virtual one?
@Mr Andy Dixon
"This. Anything else is just overreacting."
Really? Protecting people from spoilers by letting them report spoilers after being spoiled?
Sounds awesome.
"This. Anything else is just overreacting."
Really? Protecting people from spoilers by letting them report spoilers after being spoiled?
Sounds awesome.
@evilmonkeyman289 Silly comment, really. Every non pre-moderated discussion board is like 4chan?
They just need admins. And if accounts are actually worth anything, people won't want to be banned.
They just need admins. And if accounts are actually worth anything, people won't want to be banned.
@Stardog
...unless accounts are free and you can make as many as you like for the purpose of trolling.
Not that anyone would ever do that...
...unless accounts are free and you can make as many as you like for the purpose of trolling.
Not that anyone would ever do that...
Consumer-oriented corporations are obsessed with their image, and there's a good reason for that. Without their customer-base, Nintendo becomes a pretty worthless company.
What most people probably don't realize is Nintendo, EA, Activision and companies are all employing several people (sometimes more than several) to artificially promote their image and products on third-party sites such as Destructoid while posing as everyday commentors.
If anything, that kind of practice, where you're actually going out of your way to deceive people, is reprehensible.
Compared to that, Nintendo's management of their own internal site and comment system is both tame and to be expected.
What most people probably don't realize is Nintendo, EA, Activision and companies are all employing several people (sometimes more than several) to artificially promote their image and products on third-party sites such as Destructoid while posing as everyday commentors.
If anything, that kind of practice, where you're actually going out of your way to deceive people, is reprehensible.
Compared to that, Nintendo's management of their own internal site and comment system is both tame and to be expected.
@xaliqen
...You mean I could have actually made money off what I've been doing this past year?
.... wow, that's depressing in all sorts of ways...o_o
...You mean I could have actually made money off what I've been doing this past year?
.... wow, that's depressing in all sorts of ways...o_o
@Script-br
Here you go.
Here's another article on the subject, if the first wasn't enough.
And here's a third article with even more background information (note the reference to the well-known "All I want for Christmas is a PSP" astroturfing campaign by Sony).
All large companies practice astroturfing in one form or another. Some are more brazen about it than others. If you ask me, this is the kind of thing that people should be more upset about. Unfortunately, it's just becoming business as usual.
Here you go.
Here's another article on the subject, if the first wasn't enough.
And here's a third article with even more background information (note the reference to the well-known "All I want for Christmas is a PSP" astroturfing campaign by Sony).
All large companies practice astroturfing in one form or another. Some are more brazen about it than others. If you ask me, this is the kind of thing that people should be more upset about. Unfortunately, it's just becoming business as usual.
I don't think they realize just how much they're biting off here. It's one thing to have software that scans and flags possibly inappropriate or offensive messages. But could you imagine having someone to personally approve every comment and forum post on Destructoid? (A rather conservative example, I do believe). You'd need to have enough people to handle the volume at any one time, and staff it 24 hours a day because, time-zones aside, some people will still be online at 4 AM. It this--the sheer volume of information to parse--that makes people who believe, say, the government is monitoring everything they do absurd. There's no way.
@OmnipotentBagel --
It's relatively straightforward to create a trusted user system where users known to post useful comments are 'cleared' once you run their comment through a basic filter for bad language, inappropriate links, etc...
This can all be highly-automated, and then you only need to review the new users' comments in addition to any comments flagged for abuse. Most sites already have some form of this.
It's relatively straightforward to create a trusted user system where users known to post useful comments are 'cleared' once you run their comment through a basic filter for bad language, inappropriate links, etc...
This can all be highly-automated, and then you only need to review the new users' comments in addition to any comments flagged for abuse. Most sites already have some form of this.
"This is going to make having conversations simply lovely."
OMG! Why don't people use common sense. This is not for having conversations. Do you honestly think Nintendo is going have moderators, monitoring all of your conversations? This isn't communist Russia here, they're just talking about posting comments about games, that will show up on your home screen, and in the games like NSMB:U. Its not your personal messages to friends.
Do they do that on the 3DS? No, you can send SwapNotes freely to your friends, so why would you think they'd go all psycho on people, and monitor every conversation that they have on the Wii U? So they're going to tout having instant messaging, and video chat only to make you wait 30 minutes before posting it. Come on, don't be so ridiculous. That's never going to happen. Its just a filter in place, the same filter that's on XBL.
Microsoft has moderators on XBL checking people GamerTag names, bio's, and if there's A-holes sending inappropriate messages, so why wouldn't Nintendo have a similar system? Why would people not want them to have filters? Do you honestly want the douche-bags that are on XBL, to be the same type of people that's on the Miiverse? You can't just let people run freely, because they'll do whatever the hell they want.
OMG! Why don't people use common sense. This is not for having conversations. Do you honestly think Nintendo is going have moderators, monitoring all of your conversations? This isn't communist Russia here, they're just talking about posting comments about games, that will show up on your home screen, and in the games like NSMB:U. Its not your personal messages to friends.
Do they do that on the 3DS? No, you can send SwapNotes freely to your friends, so why would you think they'd go all psycho on people, and monitor every conversation that they have on the Wii U? So they're going to tout having instant messaging, and video chat only to make you wait 30 minutes before posting it. Come on, don't be so ridiculous. That's never going to happen. Its just a filter in place, the same filter that's on XBL.
Microsoft has moderators on XBL checking people GamerTag names, bio's, and if there's A-holes sending inappropriate messages, so why wouldn't Nintendo have a similar system? Why would people not want them to have filters? Do you honestly want the douche-bags that are on XBL, to be the same type of people that's on the Miiverse? You can't just let people run freely, because they'll do whatever the hell they want.
It really depends on how popular the social network becomes.
If there are millions of people involved, they'll want to pretend a human is reading every post, but no way is that going to happen in reality.
They'll probably have a thorough automated screening program with a timed delay.
If there are millions of people involved, they'll want to pretend a human is reading every post, but no way is that going to happen in reality.
They'll probably have a thorough automated screening program with a timed delay.
Maybe if gamers didn't act like babbling retards 90% of the time, they wouldn't have to do this shit.
I mean as soon as the drawing thing and messages, I began the countdown of how many penises and swastikas that people would put up.
I mean as soon as the drawing thing and messages, I began the countdown of how many penises and swastikas that people would put up.
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