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What a weird statement. Why couldn't there have been games developed from the start with dual gamepad support in mind? Was the dual gamepad support merely an afterthought?
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"Were you stressing out over having to buy two of the Wii U GamePads at launch later this year?"
Just curious--how many people here (non-journalists) are actually planning to buy the Wii U at launch?
Just curious--how many people here (non-journalists) are actually planning to buy the Wii U at launch?
looks like nintendo has no idea what they want to do.
maybe they should hold off on this launch and not try and get it out so fast like the 3ds.
maybe they should hold off on this launch and not try and get it out so fast like the 3ds.
@voxeril I know...We all know.this is going to be the first 8 player system,you know what?Im going to steal gamepads and portable systems from kids who walk down the street.
Gee sounds great. So can we have a price point/release date now that we're talking about launch? Or maybe you'd like to tell us what games will be out day one?
That sucks. Sounds like Nintendo is forcing developers into the asymmetric gameplay stuff instead of just letting them do what they want.
I, for one, am super excited to play a local, competitive, fog-of-war-style strategy game with both players holding their own GamePad and each seeing different information on their screen.
I, for one, am super excited to play a local, competitive, fog-of-war-style strategy game with both players holding their own GamePad and each seeing different information on their screen.
Well I'm sure if it was never an option to begin with, people really would have a reason to complain.
November 2006: Wii is released.
June 2009: WiiMotionPlus, required for some games and offers what we expected from the wii in the first place is released.
February 2011: Nintendo 3DS is released.
December 2011: Circle-Pad Pro which gives the 3DS a second analogue stick is released, with many games promising support.
Xmas 2012: Wii U is released.
??? 2013: 2nd GamePad support is released.
Is anyone else getting sick of Nintendo releasing unfinished products?
June 2009: WiiMotionPlus, required for some games and offers what we expected from the wii in the first place is released.
February 2011: Nintendo 3DS is released.
December 2011: Circle-Pad Pro which gives the 3DS a second analogue stick is released, with many games promising support.
Xmas 2012: Wii U is released.
??? 2013: 2nd GamePad support is released.
Is anyone else getting sick of Nintendo releasing unfinished products?
It doesnt even remotely matter, especially since there are about 4 other compatible controllers. Odds are the wii u will sell out at launch
@LK404
You can already do that, its called Advance Wars and you were able to do it on a gameboy advance.
You can already do that, its called Advance Wars and you were able to do it on a gameboy advance.
@Nick R P Green
Funny, innit?
Anyway, the whole duel gamepad thing came to me as a bit of a surprise as I had already accepted the fact of a single gamepad. And with Controller Pro and Wiimote compatibility, then this isn't such a big deal.
Funny, innit?
Anyway, the whole duel gamepad thing came to me as a bit of a surprise as I had already accepted the fact of a single gamepad. And with Controller Pro and Wiimote compatibility, then this isn't such a big deal.
This sounds like a horrible idea Sony errr I mean Nintendo.You can't tell me that kids /brothers and sisters are NOT going to be fighting over who gets to play with the tablet while the other one is stuck with the crappy nun-chuck.
If one runs at 60fps and two runs at 30fps (straight from the horses mouth), can we expect three to run at 15fps?
If one runs at 60fps and two runs at 30fps (straight from the horses mouth), can we expect three to run at 15fps?
They're really rushing this out while the Wii brand is still hot, huh?
What happened to you, Nintendo? You used to be cool!
What happened to you, Nintendo? You used to be cool!
*I'm NOTE than fine? I meant MORE. God, I'm not even using predictive text.
@Stealth
Going by your previous comments, I see you adamently think the Wii U will sell out at launch. I wish I had the skills that you do to predict that without knowing the price or what the console comes with.
@Stealth
Going by your previous comments, I see you adamently think the Wii U will sell out at launch. I wish I had the skills that you do to predict that without knowing the price or what the console comes with.
"They need to figure out how to handle two screens with one game before adding a third"
What the fuck have devs been doing with the DS all these years?
What the fuck have devs been doing with the DS all these years?
Big deal, guys. So you won't be able to play the console with BOTH GAMEPADS AT ONCE, OH DEEEAAARRR!!!!1 Who cares.
It's not like this time they're charging you to add the double Gamepad support. They're going to give you one Gamepad at launch like they always do with every one of their consoles.
The addition wasn't an afterthought, it was an idea from the beginning that the devs had a difficult time trying to work in without breaking the system. Let game studios get the knack of using one Gamepad at first, and then we'll let them figure out how to do both. Relax.
It's not like this time they're charging you to add the double Gamepad support. They're going to give you one Gamepad at launch like they always do with every one of their consoles.
The addition wasn't an afterthought, it was an idea from the beginning that the devs had a difficult time trying to work in without breaking the system. Let game studios get the knack of using one Gamepad at first, and then we'll let them figure out how to do both. Relax.
Big deal, guys. So you won't be able to play the console with BOTH GAMEPADS AT ONCE, OH DEEEAAARRR!!!!1 Who cares.
It's not like this time they're charging you to add the double Gamepad support. They're going to give you one Gamepad at launch like they always do with every one of their consoles.
The addition wasn't an afterthought, it was an idea from the beginning that the devs had a difficult time trying to work in without breaking the system. Let game studios get the knack of using one Gamepad at first, and then we'll let them figure out how to do both. Relax.
It's not like this time they're charging you to add the double Gamepad support. They're going to give you one Gamepad at launch like they always do with every one of their consoles.
The addition wasn't an afterthought, it was an idea from the beginning that the devs had a difficult time trying to work in without breaking the system. Let game studios get the knack of using one Gamepad at first, and then we'll let them figure out how to do both. Relax.
@mix 60 fps / 3 = 20 fps, not 15. Which would still be acceptable. 30 fps is great and better than what we see in the movie theaters.
big deal, we knew this already from the E3 conference. the wii u supports 2 game pads and the first games don't use that feature yet. are people really suprised? or did they not pay attention
@sephirothx - last I checked, the DS didn't stream video to a controller's own screen.
And this is what most of you don't understand - you cannot just keep on dividing a system's ability to stream data without consequence. It's a game console, it has to render visuals and data, sense inputs and then stream it. It's not like watching YouTube.
And this is what most of you don't understand - you cannot just keep on dividing a system's ability to stream data without consequence. It's a game console, it has to render visuals and data, sense inputs and then stream it. It's not like watching YouTube.
@MrSnuffleupagus: People who play the console with more than one person care, silly. Asymmetric gameplay is nice and all, but what if two people just want to do the same thing at the same time? Just because consoles have a tendency to launch with one controller doesn't mean that multiplayer support isn't there from the beginning.
"The addition wasn't an afterthought, it was an idea from the beginning that the devs had a difficult time trying to work in without breaking the system."
Sounds like a flawed system to me.
"The addition wasn't an afterthought, it was an idea from the beginning that the devs had a difficult time trying to work in without breaking the system."
Sounds like a flawed system to me.
lot @ all the retards.
it's rather obvious WHY they are doing it - especially given the rumored price of over 100$ for a GamePad.
no publisher would support it at launch or probably even in first year as most people wouldn't invest in second 100+$ tablet at launch after buying 350$ console plus games for additional $$$.
they obviously want to have big enough userbase for it to be worthwhile for publishers(to spend resources on special features just in case someone has the second GamePad) and time for developers to get to know the hardware before jumping on the second GamePad. and as i've said before, for consumers who will be willing to spend additional money on another tablet.
it's rather obvious WHY they are doing it - especially given the rumored price of over 100$ for a GamePad.
no publisher would support it at launch or probably even in first year as most people wouldn't invest in second 100+$ tablet at launch after buying 350$ console plus games for additional $$$.
they obviously want to have big enough userbase for it to be worthwhile for publishers(to spend resources on special features just in case someone has the second GamePad) and time for developers to get to know the hardware before jumping on the second GamePad. and as i've said before, for consumers who will be willing to spend additional money on another tablet.
@q tf
I wasn't sure if it was 60/3 or 60/2/2.
As when you have resistances with ohms every time you drop the ohm load in half you gain roughly 1.5 twice as much power, so I just assumed it worked the same way but with frames per seconds as working backwards doubling the ohm cuts the power damn near in half with frames, lol. It was a limb that I went out on.
30fps is a nice constant to have for sure!
I wasn't sure if it was 60/3 or 60/2/2.
As when you have resistances with ohms every time you drop the ohm load in half you gain roughly 1.5 twice as much power, so I just assumed it worked the same way but with frames per seconds as working backwards doubling the ohm cuts the power damn near in half with frames, lol. It was a limb that I went out on.
30fps is a nice constant to have for sure!
I like the idea behind the Wii U but it seems my expectations over the kind of gameplay are not what Nintendo has in mind. Asymmetric gameplay is not that great, I don't get why they push that desperately. I'd like to play a game like Four Swords with four players with their gamepads, or card games. The gamepad should open up new gameplay or help bring out a better experience in games. Being the fifth player who makes platforms in Mario is hardly fun.
The technology is a bit limited, so they should make the console to surpass the limitations instead of merely working around them. Maybe have more wireless transmitters or a better CPU. I wouldn't mind paying more for a great experience, instead of now where I'm not sure if I would pay 200$ for it. It has current gen specs, which I find enough but it's cheap technology now, add to it everything you can to make the console a unique system instead of a Wii+DS 1.5
The technology is a bit limited, so they should make the console to surpass the limitations instead of merely working around them. Maybe have more wireless transmitters or a better CPU. I wouldn't mind paying more for a great experience, instead of now where I'm not sure if I would pay 200$ for it. It has current gen specs, which I find enough but it's cheap technology now, add to it everything you can to make the console a unique system instead of a Wii+DS 1.5
*shrugz*...makes sense...it iz called Wii U right? so when they they get multi gamepad support they will call it Wii US...ok bad joke...im buying it iv my girlfriend anyway do she can stay away from my vita...so yeah...Wii Hers...Vita mine!!!
@The Silent Protagonist
Last I checked
A) The DS has two screens
B) The system puts stuff on both screens
C) Developers have known how to use both screens
Sorry, but after their "Pikmin has no online multiplayer because of too many things on screen" I've revoked their "make up bullshit excuses" card.
Last I checked
A) The DS has two screens
B) The system puts stuff on both screens
C) Developers have known how to use both screens
Sorry, but after their "Pikmin has no online multiplayer because of too many things on screen" I've revoked their "make up bullshit excuses" card.
What happened to them only allowing one gamepad so as to keep the entry price the same for everyone? I.E. no games use two pads so everyone can play every game. Nintendo, if you didn't have your marios and zeldas as a crutch, you would be barreling straight towards disaster with this mess of a console.
@Forsakeneyes You misunderstand. The point of me saying that they're launching the system with one Gamepad and so and so was to show that they're not charging you to buy the option to play with two people. They will add it when it's completely debugged and functional, and developers have games that justify the feature. And if certain gamers care so much for the two Gamepads at once, then just wait until it's ready. Not a hard thing to do if they're so set on that one gameplay option.
"Sounds like a flawed system to me." Well, that's kind of the whole point of releasing the support after launch, *once it's ready*: so it's n o t flawed.
The feature won't matter if it's at launch or not if there aren't any games to even show for it.
"Sounds like a flawed system to me." Well, that's kind of the whole point of releasing the support after launch, *once it's ready*: so it's n o t flawed.
The feature won't matter if it's at launch or not if there aren't any games to even show for it.
It is an afterthought. They were hsppy with the use of one gamepad. You guys bitched for two.
Did you honestly think games would just magically incorpororate a feature that didnt exist until their e3 conference?
I thought you guys were supposed to be smart...
Did you honestly think games would just magically incorpororate a feature that didnt exist until their e3 conference?
I thought you guys were supposed to be smart...
I have to agree with cvmckenzie.
Nintendo had to expect people would naturally ask them if Wii U could support more than one GamePad controller. Iwata stated that Wii U can technically support more than one GamePad, but the primary concern Iwata talked about the cost of the controller, which is something he's continued to dicuss at E3 2011. He's hinted that it selling a standalone GamePad would cost more than a normal controller (which is like what, $60?). Nintendo felt that one GamePad would be adequate and that all developers (including third-parties) should work under the assumption to develop games based around one GamePad. A year later, what do we see? Games based around one GamePad.
Nintendo has been honest and upfront about this. Nintendo goes with technology that is adequate and affordable not excessive and expensive. That's been applied to the types of components they choose to implement into the Wii U GamePad.
Nintendo had to expect people would naturally ask them if Wii U could support more than one GamePad controller. Iwata stated that Wii U can technically support more than one GamePad, but the primary concern Iwata talked about the cost of the controller, which is something he's continued to dicuss at E3 2011. He's hinted that it selling a standalone GamePad would cost more than a normal controller (which is like what, $60?). Nintendo felt that one GamePad would be adequate and that all developers (including third-parties) should work under the assumption to develop games based around one GamePad. A year later, what do we see? Games based around one GamePad.
Nintendo has been honest and upfront about this. Nintendo goes with technology that is adequate and affordable not excessive and expensive. That's been applied to the types of components they choose to implement into the Wii U GamePad.
OMFG Nintendo, seriously?! I was pessimistic before E3, thoroughly impressed during E3, then with this, the friend codes, no multitouch, and something else I can't remember I am thoroughly disappointed.
I really don't see why you would need more than 1, it will always come at obvious down to less bandwidth for the connection of the device and more stress on the cpu/gpu. so really just 1 or later maybe 2 should be enough.
You people know it supports four Wii remotes and Pro controllers right? And the early titles are either 1P or feature asymmetrical multiplayer?
I'm sorry; why do people want a second gamepad so bad? I can think of very few good uses for such an expensive controller.
If Sony was smart, they'd come out at Gamescom/TGS with tech demos showing two Vitas being used to control the PS3, and announce a $400 bundle for the two of them.
No, really. Like if you guys want to deflate the Wii U bubble, make it an irrelevant purchase, because fan feedback really isn't great at this point.
No, really. Like if you guys want to deflate the Wii U bubble, make it an irrelevant purchase, because fan feedback really isn't great at this point.
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