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Wii hard drive dispelled again; asks us to micromanage storage like the iPod photo

While the meager storage space on the Wii is only mildly annoying for even the most hardcore Nintendo fanboy, the company continues to surprise us by renouncing hard drive peripherals for their console. The debate reminds me of the N64 cartridge vs. CD debacle that stunted that generation's ability to make sweet love to bleeding edge SquareEnix products, among other key content. As a Wii-loving owner I hate seeing the system's obvious weak points celebrated as features by their own people and felt the need to speak up about it.

PR manager Eric Walter said the company would prefer that gamers micromanage our game libraries and delete, download, and repeat as needed.  He further noted that it "was like putting music on your iPod".  Had I been present I would have beat him senseless with Ron's 100-pound Zune: there is no way in hell the experience is the same, nor is the absence of a hard drive a low-fi way of circumventing piracy (ahem ahem). More importantly, if we're willing to throw money at the Wii so that it doesn't have to be that way, why not make it happen? I'd buy that over a Fit Board!

I'll preface my rant in acknowledging that some sort of solid-state device alternative may be in the works, unless they're completely insane. Even if they go that route, I doubt the capacity be bigger and cheaper than HDD technology. Furthermore, I'm annoyed at the company's dietary approach to how they perceive guys like me consume their games.  In a sense -- I'm not unlike Fat Bastard: I want every Nintendo product I own in my belly at once, and that was one the promise of the Wii with their VC product and promised upcoming online features.  Instead, I'm looking this news like I own an anemic console that I'll have to perpetually juggle my soon-to-be-epic collection on.

Instead, this just seems counterintuitive to my self-indulgent American Consumewhoreism, and I'd like to make an appeal as to why this can't possibly be a good thing for Wii owners nor anything like the iPod experience.  Hit the jump for my rant and please weigh in with your perspective.

First of all, my iPod stores 80gigs of crap.  This means that I can enjoy an infinite variety of said crap at my disposal with as little storage management as possible.  Sure, I could have bought a smaller version, but Apple understands that when OCD people breed with packrats their kids may want a gigantic version of their products.  The Wii doesn't let me do that, so in the end I end up using the Will less because the user experience and usability of their dashboard is so far behind my other consoles. While that may sound like only something a hardcore gamer might want, I'm sure that moms, pops, and kids would also rather have less scratched disks and bigger downloadable content options on their dashboard too.

Furthermore, taking a song on and off your iTunes library can be done in a matter of clicks, and there is another computer device that you control that can give you the asset in seconds.  Requesting a single game from the Wii interface is a ten minute song and dance involving icon clicking, theme songs, hand-holding confirmation screens, and so on.  I rather only do that once and forget not hum the catchy virtual console song as I watch my arm hair slowly grow.

The biggest problem I have with this is that it discounts what the PS3 and the 360 do extremely well -- when my ass hits the sofa after work I can enjoy an absurd amount of content on both those consoles at the flick of a wrist without having to perform analog functions of moving said buttocks back and forth between my entertainment center.  It's not only a matter of an evolved sense of next-gen laziness: it's my desire to see that slick hard-drive-driven user experience come to the Wii in a bigger way than the vague skimpy low-storage future ahead of it.  We all know digital download is the next big content delivery and we'd love to see gigs of content coming down from Miyamoto-powered interwebs to sample in our homes.  

Hard drives are cheap.  They're reliable.  Nintendo has the resources to make those overpriced $100 product offerings from their competitors look ridiculous and they have a software library could be irresistible if it was one button click away on a 200GB whopper. A solid state media solution can only result in a smaller capacity due to costs, and that is not what I think (all) American consumers want.

Personally speaking, I want to use my Wii more, but I don't, and I have to look at how often I'm in XBLA and PlayStation Network as one of the most compelling reasons. Nintendo: Screw your iPod analogy -- get in my belly!








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bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:23
bloodylip
A+++++++ WOULD READ AGAIN.
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:26
topgeargorilla
what makes me most upset is how downloadable content will never be on the wii to any interesting extent. I mean, I'd love to get downloadable fighters, real stages, items, etc. for Mario Kart or Brawl, or new planets for Galaxy, but we will never see that sort of stuff, and these are games that could really benefit from this.
kobewan0824's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:29
kobewan0824
Great Rant, Great points. You know what really sucks? We are going to put up with it anyway, because it's Nintendo. We always have and always will. Perhaps this is why they continue to do stupid shit like this. I know I still owned an N64, even though it was quite obvious that CD's had the advantage. And I loved my N64.
Scrixx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:40
Scrixx
My bleeding eyes. Don't EVER show me that picture again. EVAR.

I'm serious. Very Serious. Bad things will happen. Muahahaha

/useless post
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:41
Sharpless
The lack of storage space makes me not want to buy a Wii. Honestly, I'm not exaggerating. Without enough storage space to hold a bounty of Virtual Console games, I'm just not interested. Get with it, Nintend'oh!
XeroxMe's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:43
XeroxMe
I didn't think storage would be that big of a deal until I started downloading N64 titles. Those things demolished the flash memory in my Wii. What's the point in trying to prevent piracy of roms? It's not like NES, SNES, and N64 roms weren't already around anyways.
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:45
Niero
I want big 500mb-1gb Wii demos. Now. That's what is standard on the pc, 360, ps3, and soon their own DS. Why not the Wii?
XerxesTWD's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:46
XerxesTWD
I think the lack of harddrive space is the only real major flaw on the console, closely followed by Friend Codes. My goddamn cellphone has 2 GB of internal memory, you're telling me a set-top video game console can't even hit the single digits?

512MB is not enough. We'll be filling up our memory cards too fast with all the downloadable battlefields from Smash Brothers Brawl.

Fix this, Nintendo, or I'll toilet paper the house of whoever posts after me!
Geoff's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:49
Geoff
So, Nintendo, what about the guys who have too many VC games and can't be constantly connected on the internet? Just another reason why I forced myself to get used to X360's service.
DonWii's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:49
DonWii
@topgeargorilla

I doubt Nintendo would offer those services anyway, but I can see Third Party developers not being able to implement them.

On Topic: If it doesn't happen with the release of WiiWare, I have lost all hope.
Zarathustra's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:54
Zarathustra
Well said, sir! I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, as kobewan pointed out, we're going to put up with it anyway, cuz, well, Nintendo makes amazingly great games, and we want to play them.
Lord The Night Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:56
Lord The Night Knight
Guys, you just forget that Nintendo is just waiting for demand to make it clear it's worth Nintendo's time. You may say it's necessary, but you have to show Nintendo that you need it.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 18:56
GuitarAtomik
I was actually thinking about this the other day. Sure you can download and delete as you need, but at that storage space size, that will be very often. It's just annoying. How do they expect people to make DLC for the system when there's not enough space?

If they don't come out with some sort of external hardrive attachment, they are retarded and more importantly, completely oblivious to the consumer's needs and future demands.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:02
Cheeburga
If Ipods can have 80 gigs on a fucking stick, i'm sure nintendo can squeeze one into the wii.
mdvalenz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:04
mdvalenz
This is why I am not buying any more VC titles. I don't have any room. I have the ones I want and now I only get the AAA games off the VC and those rarely come out. All they really need to do is update the firmware to allows the games to be played from the SD slot, which is very possible, or allow External USB HDDs which is also very possible. I don't see how they can delude themselves into thinking people won't need more storage once the bigger WiiWare titles come in.
Its one thing to wait 5 minutes to download a VC titles back to your system, its another to wait 30 minutes or longer to wait for the AAA WiiWare titles coming next year.
zardoz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:04
zardoz
Every single Nintendo fan knows deep down that Nintendo have been a series of disappointments since the N64.

The Wii is a cool concept, well excecuted, Nintendo have a hit on their hands, and what do they do with it? They castrate it. Neiro is right about comparing the Wii's lack of storage facilities to the cartridge Vs CD dillema on the N64, Nintendo stubbornly stuck with cartridges whilst it was obvious that gamers wanted more, Sony created a system which represented the new craving in gamers, Nintendo missed the zeitgeist by a wide margin.

I genuinely thought that Iwata was the man who would move Nintendo forward from their self defeating stubborness and fear of being open to consumer input.

I've been a Nintendo fan since the Famicom days but I can sense that they are about to drop the ball again, that all too familiar feeling of them acting like babysitters and pretending that the competition has no affect on gamers expectations of a console's facilities.

So here's Nintendo's current situation: A top selling console with wonderful potential, yet it is held back by the very company that made it - no realistic storage facilities for a 21st century piece of hardware, blunted online features which contradicts the very point of Wii, virtually no new in house IP's which would represent why the Wii is unique, yet a hatful of games involving Mario which could have ben made on any other console. In other words, Nintendo themselves are yet again abusing their own console, The Super Famicom was the last console Nintendo made which delivered it's full potential and delivered everything it could for the gamer.

Perhaps next year we will see Nintendo sort out all their ridiculous self inflicted issues with the Wii. But as a seasoned Nintendo fan, I can sense them cocking it up yet again.
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:06
topgeargorilla
you know, if I could just plug in my ipod, use it as an external Hd AND stream music, just like in the 360, I'd crap my pants.
WDot's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:07
WDot
So, does this mean we're not going to see much... New original content on the virtual console? One of the reasons I was excited about the Wii in the beginning was the possibility of downloading NEW games from the Wii, not just old ROM's.

Stop Nintendo, you're reminding me of this cartoon:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/10/03

Sure, that's about the Zune, but it's the same idea.
ChillyBilly's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:12
ChillyBilly
Look, I'm a self-proclaimed Nintendo fan biy, but I will be the first to bash Nintendo's lack of caring when it comes to storage. They have heard the people ask and I am sure they read and troll the boards. Something like this wont kill the Wii, but it sure as hell ain't gonna help it either.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:13
Holyetheline
Someone has to make a Wii hard drive. I stopped downloading VC games because I'm too lazy to remove games that are already on my Wii.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:23
Orionsaint
Nintendo also dismisses HDTV, saying it's just a fad
DonWii's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:36
DonWii
@WDot

It's called WiiWare...
Scape's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:42
Scape
Unless....it's Nintendo's plan to sell as many Wiis as possible, millions of them. Then make a Wii 2.0 with a built in hard drive and not offer a external one for people who already own a Wii, so people would have to buy another Wii....

Double profits!!!
Johnny Blaze's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:46
Johnny Blaze
FUCK Nintendo if that is htere next plan scape.. I would be utterly pissed..

Here is hoping the let you use a USB memory card or Nyko gets creative on that ass and makes a tight ass External drive..


Logitech, Nyko, Madcatz.. PLEASE HEAR US OUT... I ganruntee MILLIONS
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:46
deiga-the-semivaliant
I, too, am feeling the burn of limited space on my Wii.

It's a ridiculous and dated policy.


Nintendo is making the same goddamn mistakes again.



Stop it. STOP IT. GIT BACK IN YER DOGHOUSE.
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 19:47
deiga-the-semivaliant
And does anyone else feel like Nintendo's PR man is being a little douche?

Basically he's saying, "Want more space? Tough shit bitches, learn how to manage your shit better."
ElRhino's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 20:02
ElRhino
My ipod could hold thousands of songs.

But i don't care anymore, i sold my wii.
Kotua's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 20:10
Kotua
Don't Firmware Updates take up space too?
kobewan0824's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 20:14
kobewan0824
@ ElRhino

Dude, you sold your Wii? Are you crazy? Sure, there aren't alot of good games now, but it's Nintendo! You will live to regret this decision, my friend. Wait until a new Zelda comes out, or in general more 1st Party games. If you're a hardcore gamer, that's all that matters.
LimeGuardian's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 20:28
LimeGuardian
This is what I hate about this new Nintendo, they seem to tell the consumer what they want and expect us to adapt to it.
flabzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 20:31
flabzilla
Hmmmm I'm not that bothered by the lack of space to be honest, it is a pain but I wouldn't consider it detrimental or any thing. Doesn't stop me from liking my wii anyway.

By the way if you go for SD cards too back up your games pay a little extra for the high speed memory cards, the standered 2GB ones for £3 that you think is a bargain are horrendously slow.
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 20:47
Capn Birdseye
Yeah it is a bit of a joke. Stuff like this and friend codes puts me off getting one to begin with.

Oh, and it sounds exactly like the iPod experience - a major pain in the arse!

/zing
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 21:14
Sharpless
For every 2 measures of win that Nintendo puts into their console cake mix, they always manage to put in 1.5 measures of suck. Tell me this is not fact.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 21:37
Cowboy TTop
I totally agree with you Zardoz and co.

When Wii was first announced it was great, but I paid close attention to that 512mb internal memory, and I my jaw dropped a bit. Not even 1gb, not even 2gb...even in these days when hard drive space is getting cheaper, Nintendo totally failed in this aspect, which even MS got right with Xbox. Xbox proved that even with 4-8gb you could still do a lot more with games. Unfortunately, Nintendo have once again failed to learn from others.

Hey, even GC should have been online properly, and Nintendo couldn't even get that right.

Its poor for Nintendo to think we don't want a Wii hard drive and feels just like the Sony crap with PS3 BC again. On top of that what Nintendo also fail to see is that a hard drive is vital, to encouraging more third parties to consider Wii.

I'm a firm believer in people power. Perhaps Destructoid should start a Wii hard drive campaign, because only then will Nintendo realise we do want one. For them to spin bullshit is beyond contempt.

A Wii hard drive would be so easy to do. Dammit Nintendo, and if you don't want to make one, speak to Western Digital, Iomega etc and they will do it for you.

This now makes me wonder, with that FF Wiiware game on the way, if its gonna be a DLC, how will Wii owners store it?
anchorman84's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 21:50
anchorman84
What i don't understand is how games like the new Final Fantasy for the Wiiware channel is going to work. Judging by the graphics alone, this game will take a large chunk of the limited 512 MB we are allotted to. Are we expected to hold only two of these games at a time? And more importantly, download these bigger games every time we want to play them again? This whole stance Nintendo is taking is ridiculous. I honestly expect (or more accurately, hope) they announce a hard drive along side of the WiiWare channel.
Dynamic Sheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 22:03
Dynamic Sheep
Convenience keeps me going back to my 360. As it stands, when I'm trying to find something to do to unwind before falling asleep, I don't have to think about what game I may want to play before bed so it's in when the mood strikes... I just turn my 360 on and bounce between my XBLA titles.

My Wii has really only been used as a web browser for a few months now (since MP3), and once I get a PSTriple I'm sure that it's usage will go down even more since I can surf on the PS3. Between Christmas and February I'm afraid my Wii will be a $250 plastic accent to my entertainment center.
Lithium's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 22:15
Lithium
Nintendo will release a hardrive, they'd be stupid not to. I mean they're guarnteed to print even more money if they release one!
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 22:36
vexed alex
So, make things more difficult for the consumer? Nintendo needs to get off their high-fucking-horse and start listening to what people want. We're adults (most of us) and we don't need you to spoon feed us your crap.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 22:49
Darren Nakamura
Hit the jump for the rant? You mean the part before the jump wasn't a rant?
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 23:22
Cowboy TTop
For me this has always been Nintendo's biggest problem. Regardless of whether they are in the lead with Wii or behind cathcing up with N64 or GC, they fail to do their research as to what their consumers need, and at times seem blinded by shortsightedness and arrogance.

For fuck sake Nintendo, you seem to have time to produce Wii Zappers and Wii Fit boards, but none for a freaking hard drive which could benefit Wii more? They don't even have to redesign Wii to do it internally, as an external will do nicely. If they have the balls to come out and say 'We aren't ignoring the hardcore gamers' yesterday, put you money where you mouth is, and produce a freaking hard drive. You have no fucking excuse now.

The only others I can see plugging this gap are Datel, Logitech etc, but they'd still have to work with Nintendo to get it on shelves. To deny such hard drive demand is stupid, but I think Nintendo will do so to try and fleece us on SD cards, the same way Sony did on PS1 and PS2 memory cards.

Learn from your competition. Its not necessary to be a ronin all the time.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 23:31
B-Radicate
I'm with Vexed Alex on this one. Nintendo should listen to their customers for once and not tell us what we, the gaming community, desires. They are starting to sound like Sony to me. And we all know how that worked out for THEM.

I call bullshit on that Nintendo rep. Pure and utter bullshit!
Boolean's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2007 23:36
Boolean
It's shit like this that makes me want to see Nintendo come in dead fucking last place this generation. You would think after the cartridge Vs CD showdown they would clue up, but nope. You would think after the huge success of Xbox Live they would treat online with a bit more respect. Nope.

Nintendo needs to get a fucking clue.
sloganpwns's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2007 00:07
sloganpwns
There really isn't much i can say that hasn't already been said

zardoz nailed it on the head with nintendo fucking up scince N64

DynamicSheep i am in the exact same situation as u with only using my wii as a web browser and playing some XBLA before going to sleep

So all i see is nintendo fucking us on this console again
They put out zelda, which was a great game. then mario galaxy is coming out. (note that these games were released way far apart without enough decent games inbetween) then SSBB comes out, next year and thats it.
Sure there will be some other good games that come out but if its multiplatform then well, its probably going to suck (ok i know that sounds a little harsh but from what ive played so far id rather play something on my 360 than my wii)
sloganpwns's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2007 00:07
sloganpwns
So here is the future...

Everyone will be like
A. ZOMG GLOVER64 ON TEH WII!!!1!1!! (with great sarcasm)
or
B. Yeah i play SSBB sometimes... (never online though cuz even after all the god damn friend codes i still got to call them to tell them to turn their systems on or stop jerkin their wiimotes off to some fat headed generic bitch u see parading on ur wii because even that is more exciting than playing the 'make mario jump for 10 mins while u download an overpriced SNES game that you already own or could buy for cheaper or even download for free but would prefer the slight bit of convenice and a shittier controller, game'

Then some really awesome game will come out to mark the death of the Wii (think RE4. actually it will be RE4, but they will name it RE4:Wii because scary words and wii dont really go together so they were just like fuck it they will buy it cuz it comes with a little metal looking but actually plastic suitcase to put ur wiimote in)

Oh yeah i almost forgot about the DS-Wii compatibilty. im going to go out on a limb here and say 'Cool nintendo, it has pokemon combatibliy, can we download stuff like demos for games that arent out yet? no? ok maybe.... months later? thanks. ur the best'

And that, fellow dtioders, is a very inaccurate look at the future of the wii filled with lots of spelling errors.
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2007 02:13
Tristero
Here, here great robot chief. The most frustrating thing about the Wii is its failed potential. I really want to love that thing. Just give me any excuse to love it. Nintendo got lucky with a brilliant product. They can let it fade into memory as an "of the moment" trend we'll be watching on VH1's I love the aughties, or they can put a little more effort and invest a little more capital and turn it into a machine with real staying power. I hope they choose the latter, because I 've got some unrequited dreams of sugarplum faeries dancing in my head.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2007 02:46
Bob Muir
I hear you, Niero. I knew this would be a problem from day one, and I've had to slow down my VC purchases to try to account for the space. Maybe if we could run games off of our SD cards, I wouldn't mind so much, but as of now, they're just read-only storage space that you have to toss onto your Wii in order to use. It's ridiculous. I'm with you on the 80GB iPod; I collect that shit and want to keep it with me at all times. What was the first thing I did when I bought my 360 (with 120GB HD) last weekend? Download practically every demo on Xbox Live Marketplace. Nintendo must think we're stupid.
cjpkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2007 02:50
cjpkiller
an hdd on the wii would be AWESOME.
I don't even own a wii, but an hdd on one would be a seriously good call...
oh well.

I fucking love xbla and psn for the fact that its all there, I dont have to download anything, its instantly accessable... I LOVE IT.
less time hassling with menus and download screens and what not... more time playing.
it is indeed win.
Hamza CTZ Aziz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2007 03:46
Hamza CTZ Aziz
This is why I fell in love with Destructoid, Niero. I miss that you don't write more often anymore :(
Hamza CTZ Aziz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2007 03:46
Hamza CTZ Aziz
This is why I fell in love with Destructoid, Niero. I miss your writing.
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