brb pirating the game and killing innocent civilians in protest (not really)
And what happens if you shoot the terrorists? If the level restarts from a checkpoint then I would find it ridiculous and unbelievable that the game stops you for that but not for killing civilians. The only way for it to make sense is if they turn on you and kill you there instead of at the level's endpoint since the result would be the same. I realize I asked a lot of questions (and some of them could probably be solved by watching the full video/waiting for the game to come out) but I felt that they needed to be asked.
If showing an atrocity of war such as the one in the game clearly equals art, why don't they just go all out and show every horrible and worse thing that happens? Why wouldn't that make it even greater art by your logic Jim?
There's a difference between art and shock value.
BTW not all of us at activision are evil...Bobby just makes us all look bad.
For lack of a better term: Jimmy S knows his shit.
You just invented my logic for me. I never said that showing an atrocity automatically equals art. I said that I trust Infinity Ward to do it right, and I explained how IW's implementation of the atrocity could be considered artful.
I didn't give that guy a serious answer because he launched into hyperbole, logic leaps and over-reaction. Let's not just make up what people have said and attack that, shall we?
key point here is that YOU have the choice.
noone is forcing you to play the game, or shoot civilians.
and why do we all ignore that the CIA has killed innocent Americans throughout its history... why are we all bitching about video games, when theres real, more important root issues to deal with that arent made up of pixels
effin yuppies :S
Not because any "moral" issue.
Weird fuckers like Going4daLolz wouldn't be saying really dumb shit like they are. To equate any amount of violence and substitute some other form of violence haphazardly is moronic.
This is just crass & the fact they are doing it with modern warfare ,a game that alot of fucking idiots play who will completely miss the point that IW where trying to make , just saddens me.
It WOULD be art. If a human created it to stimulate senses or emotions, it is art. The ethics behind it doesn't matter.
Definitely agree with what you're saying. now if only the rest of the internet was as reasonable as this..
Comments and thinking like that totally discredit the argument that this is a good step forward because of it's art value. When you take the arguement for it being art away and really do make it "just a game" as in something that's just for entertainment, then the game really is being disrespectful.
I'm not saying my choice to not support the game has changed or anything (though I don't consider it obscenity or anything like that), but really if you;re going to support a scene like this, you need the whole art side of it.
Also, it's interesting you mentioned the Westboro Baptist Church. I had just watched a program with them on it.
Bravo
I have never really been a fan of the Call of Duty games and am much more of a Halotard. (I like falling off cliffs) However, the ideas put across by this article and the content in the upcoming game may well sway me to buy it. I feel that games, while becoming more violent, are also loosing any emotional influence on the player. I don't see that as a good thing. If this scene has the impact suggested by Jim in this article, then I hope that by supporting it, I can support the idea of Videogames as Art, and conteraverciality (sp?) in the face of the general media and return morality to the hearts and minds of gamers who live to chainsaw people to death.
Considering the career path I'm heading for, (Games Design) I think it would allow the industry to multiply in execution of new ideas and real, emotional responces from the player. Therefore, helping me and all other games developers in the future of what seems to be becoming an externally-moderated-by-people-who-know-nothing-about-what-they're-doing genre of modern media.
Obviously I do run the risk of also supporting another big name franchise over a new IP. But parhaps that is another battle.
Hope this makes sence, I really shouldn't write stuff at quarter to midnight...
Well I guess that's one way of not answering. I'll word it more simple then fatboy. If this game included a scene going over other attrocities of terrorism such as rapes or mutilations of innocent civilians would you condone it as long as IW "handled it right?"

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