But seriously, it's good to see Jim making the logical stand as usual.
"Brad Rice argues that such a harrowing scene takes the will to fight out of him, that it makes him question if such a fight is worth the lives as stake. I can only see that as statement in favor of the game, rather than in condemnation of it"
I could not agree with this statement more. The fact that this argument even exists is a testament to how powerful a medium games can be, and this one hasn't even been released yet.
I am thoroughly impressed, and will definitely be playing this game.
If I could fap this post, I would.
And this is the core of it. I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I personally shot those that I needed to (the guards) to progress, and even went so far as to shoot a few of the civilians, the ones crawling around with their guts dripping on the floor, to "put them out of their misery". I found myself actively trying to be good, while still putting on a front, and it made the following scene and the remainder of the game that much more potent for me.
Great article, as was Brad's. You guys touched on the core issues perfectly, and the personal insights were great.
Thanks for this.
I wasn't going to get it anyway, and controversy hasn't made it any more appealing to me. If was going to get it, I don't think this level would have stopped me though.
I was convinced that this was an argument based around taste and censorship rather than being pro or against a particular issue. It'd take unbelievable conviction and the most accepting publisher in the world to allow a scene into a game that just screamed "TERRORISM ROCKS!", and I'd be really surprised if anyone took that stance to a such an anticipated, mainstream title.
Of course, overall, your argument makes much more sense than Brad's, so let's all just cool it, assume IF will handle this sensitively, and just hush up 'till the game is actually released.
Attack the subject not the person.
Good on you, Jim Sterling, you are a Modern War...rior...fare...2
And I think Brad's proposed alternative mostly misses what I perceive to be IW's attempt to throw players headfirst into a very, very morally gray area. A medic treating victims is the good guy doing good things hearing about the atrocities, which pigeonholes the game back into those social norms and rules he discussed and dilutes to the point of uselessness the situation IW is (as I see it) trying to craft.
Also...that "F.A.G.S." thing kind of pissed me off. Not because I find that kind of joke particularly offensive, but because it's using a term like that to advertise the game.
I find that a little ridiculous and kind of disrespectful...still, they took the advert down I guess.
Anyway I definitely agree with the points made here, rather than in Brad's article. I just found his arguments a little lacking in the logic department.
It was a well written article, but like you said if the "harrowing scene takes the will to fight out of him" that can only be viewed as a plus in my mind.
I'm just pissed off about the pricing and am pretty sure I won't be getting this...not new anyway.
Seriousy, your argument is so well-wriiten and convincing that I saved this page on my faorite.
I really don't like first person shooters, very, VERY few are the ones I enjoy. But this article put such a good point that it made me rethink my position of 'not caring' and switch to 'give it chance' to MW 2.
I totally agree on that games now need to estabilish themselves as capable of inflicting all sorts of emotions on peple, be it good or bad. If Infinity Ward supports this as well, I give them salute, and yes, I'll try your game.
Jim, if Fox news and the Daily Mail ever see this article before making a huge fuss, then you deserve one of these
Assume that I just inserted one of those citizen Kane clapping gifs. How do you put them on here anyway?
Bravo, Jim, bravo. And Bravo to Brad for voicing his honest opinion, and not giving in to the shitstorm that would be inevitable, as well as raising some very good, well thought out points (even if i don't agree with all of them)
You two deserve medals.
Whatever helps you masturbate, dude.

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