games  anime  |  toys
Destructoid is gaming news, community, videos, and sometimes love. Take the tour or jump in with Facebook:

 


Why doesn't Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 have as much blood n' guts? photo

To the anguish of splatter fans, it has been noted in the past that Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2's gore has been considerably toned down when compared to the original Xbox 360 release of Ninja Gaiden 2. Quite why the title, which is still M-rated, has lost some blood in the transition from 360 to PS3, was unknown. However, Team Ninja has come out to justify its decision.

"Each game has its own concept and with Ninja Gaiden 2, the focus was on extreme violence," explains producer and director Yosuke Hayashi. "But with Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, we really questioned whether violence is a necessity for a game, so we decided to move away from that trend. So the violence 'approach' is not the way we approached the development of Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2.

"Being able to unlock higher levels of gore would be out of kilter with the concept of the game."

Outside of difficulty, I thought the whole point of these games was to virtually drown players in extreme amounts of blood and severed limbs. It seems strange to read that a Ninja Gaiden game is not about violence and the whole thing smells a bit iffy, but that's Tecmo's line and they're sticking to it.

Maybe the next edition of Dead or Alive Xtreme will feature smaller boobs?


Continue: More Violence stories





prev next

46 comments | showing # 1 to 46

Bulkmailer's Avatar
Bulkmailer at 07/01/2009 17:26
The logic, where is it?
Stahlbrand's Avatar
Stahlbrand at 07/01/2009 17:27
Maybe the next edition of Dead or Alive Xtreme will feature smaller boobs?

This.

I mean, c'mon here!?
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar
Kyousuke Nanbu at 07/01/2009 17:31
Translation: Animating all that blood would have taken to much effort so we removed it and came up with a lame excuse to justify it.
covah's Avatar
covah at 07/01/2009 17:35
"Question if violence is a necessity for the game?"

OF COURSE IT IS YOU STUPID ASSHOLE! It's motherfucking ninja gaiden! Bring Itagaki back, these new Team Ninja guys are Grade A 100% PUSSIES
Magesx's Avatar
Magesx at 07/01/2009 17:35
That's kinda silly. Like you said, blood and ridiculous gore is kinda the whole point. But in the long run, I probably won't even notice the lack of it.
sickNasty's Avatar
sickNasty at 07/01/2009 17:36
A game with a shallow plot in which all you do is fight hordes of monstrous enemies with a variety of sharp weapons is not about violence.......

how does this make sense at all? they aren't making Tetris here.
Jack Maverick's Avatar
Jack Maverick at 07/01/2009 17:38
Maybe they want to go for having something mature without focusing on blood and gore. Like, trying to be GTA4 or something. Which is stupid, because this game is focusing on me being a ninja and slicing through foes, I expect blood and guts everywhere.
Los255's Avatar
Los255 at 07/01/2009 17:39
Just balance the goddamn enemies and Shuriken Ninjas, and I wouldn't care.
hermes's Avatar
hermes at 07/01/2009 17:41
"Translation: Animating all that blood would have taken to much effort so we removed it and came up with a lame excuse to justify it."

I believe is more an attempt to get the game to be a T rated game... I know, a T rated ninja gaiden sounds like heresy, but still.
Narishma's Avatar
Narishma at 07/01/2009 17:49
Maybe the next edition of Dead or Alive Xtreme will feature smaller boobs?

You may not be too far off since we now have the technology necessary to render small boobs.
HiddenAHB's Avatar
HiddenAHB at 07/01/2009 17:50
Apparently Itagaki was holding all Team Ninja's balls, because now that he's gone everybody is becoming pussies.
Naim Master's Avatar
Naim Master at 07/01/2009 17:54
Itagaki will be missed ; when I heard about Sigma 2 I got it on top of GoW3 and Brutal Legend , after seeing they changed gore I won't even buy it ...
otogi guy's Avatar
otogi guy at 07/01/2009 17:55
they lost their physics programmer, so none of that
gamadaya's Avatar
gamadaya at 07/01/2009 17:55
"But with Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, we really questioned whether violence is a necessity for a game, so we decided to move away from that trend."

Read that quote out of context. It's fucking insane. Hell, even in context it doesn't make much sense.

Next up from Team Ninja, it's Ninja Gaiden Kidz!
Arttemis's Avatar
Arttemis at 07/01/2009 17:55
I guess I'll keep my copy of Ninja Gaiden 2 around anyway. I was planning on getting rid of NG:Black and NG2 since I'll have NGS and NGS2, but if they're actually removing aspects, I'll keep it in my collection.

I'm a bit disappointed, but if the gore was the cause of the horrible frame rate from NG2, then I'm all for removing it. I hardly enjoyed the sequel after trying to play through its constant framerate slowdown. Sheesh.

Again, pretty lame decision.
Daxelman's Avatar
Daxelman at 07/01/2009 17:57
Team Ninja are complete pedophiles. No Sado Masochism what-so-ever.

CONFIRMED!
Holyetheline's Avatar
Holyetheline at 07/01/2009 17:58
The gore was the best part about the 360 version! This is sad news.
SonicTHP's Avatar
SonicTHP at 07/01/2009 17:59
The blood is unimportant. The game is an action game with the focus on challenge. Playing it for that reason is like playing DoA because Kasumi "kicks high."

I hope they do indeed have a better version of NGII on their hands because the original was disappointing on many levels for me, but with more time it could have been a real sequel. Perhaps this is that sequel. Ninja Gaiden has to work harder now that Devil May Cry and (especially) Bayonetta have upped their games as well.
InfraredChimera's Avatar
InfraredChimera at 07/01/2009 18:01
So big floppy titties are "necessity" for the game and therefore the violence has to be toned down or eliminated?
Also when did Sigma 2 become its own game? I thought it was a update of a existing game with new characters, game modes, and better balancing. It just sounds like a cheap cop out if you ask me.
otogi guy's Avatar
otogi guy at 07/01/2009 18:05
@arttemis

there was no "horrible" and "constant" framerate issues in NG2-360. Gamercommunities blew that way out of proportion (which is what messageboard gamers tend to do) and jumped on the bandwagon.
Trev's Avatar
Trev at 07/01/2009 18:08
I don't mind a reduction in blood. There was so much before that I ended up just kind of spacing it out. It's like if a game has ragdoll physics for bodies, but every single one cartwheels into the stratosphere on death. I imagine now when something is exceptionally bloody, I might actually be impressed instead of everything being bloody and me not caring.
Minamu's Avatar
Minamu at 07/01/2009 18:10
I don't care that much about the amount of blood, but BLUE blood? I guess all ninjas are royalty these days huh?

I could accept blue blood in dragons & demons, but in your everyday ninja? :(
brainderailment's Avatar
brainderailment at 07/01/2009 18:19
They better have focused on fixing the camera if they are going to gimp the violence.
Psy-Phi's Avatar
Psy-Phi at 07/01/2009 18:24
I'll be glad it's not to the extreme personally. That's one thing about Prototype that turns me off, excessive violence beyond the sake of good taste. The line is different for everyone, but that game crossed it for me. NG2 was in that same vein, so I'll happily enjoy the game just that little bit more because it's toned down to an acceptable (for me) level. Hopefully anyway, I need to see it in action.
Sonicandtails's Avatar
Sonicandtails at 07/01/2009 18:27
I guess you people forget that what made Ninja Gaiden so good on the NES wasn't the (absent) blood. Just another case of "games should be games, not technical showcases".
Spectreman's Avatar
Spectreman at 07/01/2009 18:33
* No blood, no fun.
Qraze's Avatar
Qraze at 07/01/2009 18:41
i don't care if little mushrooms come out instead of blood as long as the gameplay is good.
otogi guy's Avatar
otogi guy at 07/01/2009 18:46
also, are there any 3-d games out there that happened to have a 3-d camera that was able to please all gamers? please tell me, does that game exist?
mrsatan's Avatar
mrsatan at 07/01/2009 18:55
I love how they justify things with bullshit. It's not like they are remaking the whole game, it's still Ninja Gaiden 2. This sounds like the crap Nintendo used to pull with games like Mortal Kombat. Yet now they try and justify it with stupidity.
The Prodigal Son's Avatar
The Prodigal Son at 07/01/2009 19:05
According to Jack Tretton, less gore is "ONLY POSSIBLE on Playstation 3"...
Cynical Gamer's Avatar
Cynical Gamer at 07/01/2009 19:09
Wow game developers and gamer are such pussies these days.
kefkaesque's Avatar
kefkaesque at 07/01/2009 19:13
Outside of difficulty, I thought the whole point of these games was to virtually drown players in extreme amounts of blood and severed limbs.

There's also the fantastic, fast paced, combat but I mean geez who cares about that. First in the "difficult subject" article you say that there's no skill involved in the NG combat, and now the gameplay isn't as important as the gore? You really hate NG huh Jim.
JynxShot's Avatar
JynxShot at 07/01/2009 19:20
I'm going to miss all of the ridiculous bloodspray. Seriously, wtf is this blue shit? I wouldn't care if it were just for the fiends or something, BUT I WANT MY GODDAMN BLOOD.

THIS is what makes gamers violent.

Still buying the game, but fuck me they better find some way to add blood back in. I don't care if it sticks to walls in weird ways like it used to. Just give it back.
danthemagnum's Avatar
danthemagnum at 07/01/2009 19:24
I agree, all that blood was very gratuitous and seemed really silly to me.
bleep's Avatar
bleep at 07/01/2009 19:41
LAWL, Ninja Gaiden def. needs less violence...LOL
Los255's Avatar
Los255 at 07/01/2009 19:58
Wow, this is getting out of control. You guys are seriously bitching about a little less blood?
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar
DinnertimeNinja at 07/01/2009 20:20
To be honest, I thought the blood and gore in NG2 was a bit out of place from what I was expecting after playing NG1.

I'm definitely in the "why the hell does everything explode or get lopped off in a sea of blood?" camp.

Though I don't know how they will retain the dismemberments with the update.
Chronic Logic's Avatar
Chronic Logic at 07/01/2009 21:57
If a game is going to be fucking hard, I better have motherfucking gallons of blood and limbs all over the place as my reward for killing those fucking enemies!
Johnny Justice's Avatar
Johnny Justice at 07/01/2009 22:34
Careful now.
Demtor's Avatar
Demtor at 07/01/2009 23:13
What a crock of shit. Fuck Tecmo. Why would you take away something that is good and fun.

Dismemberment = GOOD!
Showers of blood = FUN!

I guess Tecmo doesn't like good fun by my definition. Well fuck those guys.
Arttemis's Avatar
Arttemis at 07/02/2009 00:51
@otogi guy

I sure as hell had horrible framerates constantly. Precisely, every time there were 3 of more enemies (ninja or demon) on screen at once, I'd drop down to about 75% framerate. That's unacceptable. The sections with 4-6 enemies at once would consistently bring the pace down to 50%, and seemingly lower if any of them were disintegrating post-death.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma seems to have a much more consistent framerate than Ninja Gaiden Black did, but when the PS3 remake does dip (which was rare), it seems more noticeable. Whether that's from a more significant temporary drop in performance or if it just seems that way because it's much less frequent is unclear to me, but NGS is still superior in content and performance IMO. Either way, both versions were far more playable than NG2, though.

Tecmo has stated that NGS2 will improve the performance and graphics of NG2, so I just hope the framerate is at least as solid as NGB, though I'd prefer NGS's consistency.
JustLikeBuck's Avatar
JustLikeBuck at 07/02/2009 03:39
"Outside of difficulty, I thought the whole point of these games was to virtually drown players in extreme amounts of blood and severed limbs"

Ah well you see Ninja Gaiden hasn't been Difficult since it was on NES. Now it's just cheap.
ChaosTeaCup's Avatar
ChaosTeaCup at 07/02/2009 09:37
It's because Ps3 is for girls, and most girls don't like blood.
silvain's Avatar
silvain at 07/02/2009 11:43
JustLikeBuck wins.
Holiday's Avatar
Holiday at 07/02/2009 12:18
Who cares. 60% of all gamers wont be able to get past level 3 anyways.
Inuboy1000's Avatar
Inuboy1000 at 09/29/2009 17:34
Here is the thing. The game is getting a ton of more content like 3 new characters along with online co-op, a longer storyline, bouncing (Y'know), improved gameplay, better graphics, and a ton of other shit. I played the Ninja Gaiden 2 demo, and it was really good but the blood was not the best part about the game. I definitely am getting Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2.
prev next

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

Comments policy

Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!

 
New on Destructoid.TV play all videos

Loading
Loading Destructoid Videos




    Win this!
    Reminder: We're giving away six copies of Magnacarta 2!



    Dtoid Twitter    Got news?   tips@destructoid.com

    Reviews & Previews
    Mahjongg Artifacts 2 review
    Dragon Age: Origins review
    Lost Winds: The Winter of the Melodias review
    Osmos review
    Space Invaders Extreme 2 review
    Half-Minute Hero review
    JU-ON: The Grudge review
    Kenka Bancho: Badass Rumble review
    Thexder Neo review
    Domino Rally review
    more reviews
    PS3's 256-player MAG
    Rooms The Main Building
    Skate 3
    Hudson's bringing back the Bonk
    James Cameron's Avatar
    Bomberman Battlefest
    Calling
    Bad Company 2's multiplayer
    Partying like it's 1959 in BioShock 2's multiplayer
    BioShock 2 through the eyes of Big Daddy
    more previews


    - The Dtoid Army is 49503 strong -

    Showing Cblogs with 3+ faps   show all

    Call for entries: do the wrong thing

    New to Dtoid? Read the survival guide




     Originals
    Jim Sterling: Ten 'classic' games that did not age well





















    More Destructoid Originals




     Popular now more
























    Destructoid's editorial lovefest is:
    Nick Chester
    Editor-in-Chief
    Jim Sterling
    Reviews Editor
    Dale North
    News Editor
    Hamza Aziz
    Community Manager
    Anthony Burch
    Features Editor
    Rey Gutierrez
    Video editor & director
    Niero
    Founder, publisher
    Letters to the editors
    tips@destructoid.com
    Associate Editors
    Ashley Davis Jonathan Holmes
    Brad Nicholson Jonathan Ross
    Brad Rice Jordan Devore
    Chad Concelmo Matthew Razak
    Colette Bennett Tom Fronczak
    Conrad Zimmerman Topher Cantler
    Dyson Samit Sarkar
    Contributors
    Adam Dork
    Ben Perlee
    Daniel Lingen
    Joseph Leray
    Joe Burling
    Mikey
    Will Maddock
    Stella Wong





     

     
      get involved

    register or login
    post a blog
    post a forum
    enter a contest
    contribute a news tip
    suggest a feature
    be a guest editor
    support

    new member's guide
    login assistance
    tech support
    report abuse
    email our editors
    read our dev blog
    nuclear crisis?
    keep in touch

    RSS feed
    Twitter
    Facebook
    Myspace
    Flickr
    Game nights
    Meetup+play online
    seriously

    about Destructoid
    advertising
    terms of use
    privacy policy
    jobs at MM
    buy our crap
    our network

    Tomopop
    Japanator
    Despingation?




    Destructoid is an independently-run publication forged by our love of video games and the gaming community's need of accountable enthusiast press
    living the dream since March 16, 2006