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New Super Mario Bros. Wii is on the fast track to becoming one of the best-selling games of all time. Less than three months after release, the game has already moved more than nine million copies worldwide, and shows little sign of slowing down.

Among other things, that means that the game's two new characters, "Blue Toad" and "Yellow Toad," are quickly becoming two of the series' most well-known characters. But these two still don't have any officially sanctioned names. All we have are the nicknames that the guys who made the game used for the characters. Why would Nintendo do such a thing?

The developers are known for behavior that doesn't make any rational sense, but there is usually a method to their madness. Here are a few theories as to why Bucken-Berry and Ala-Gold have become two of gaming's most well-known, anonymous weirdos.

Princess Peach hates peasants

Okay, maybe that's a little strong, but there is definitely something up with the fact that Toad and Toadette (the characters) have the exact same name as Toad (the race). It's like naming the two black characters in a movie "Mr. Black and his wife Choco," or how King Arthur in Monty Python and the Holy Grail calls that 37-year-old man "Old Woman." It's quite like royalty to treat their subjects as if they're all interchangeable: faceless workers whose only identity is "not royalty." I mean, even the Donkey Kong gang, a bunch of talking apes, have their own names. Toad, Toadette, and almost all the other Toads don't even get that. They are less than monkeys.

King Koopa is no better. Other than a few exceptions like Kamek and the Koopalings, his "people" are known by their race and their color only: Red Koopa, Green Koopa Paratroopa, etc. I guess it's only fair that Yellow Toad and Blue Toad share the same nameless fate.

Nintendo didn't think we could handle names

Nintendo is famous for making games that are easy to pick up and play. One of the ways they succeed at that is by limiting the amount of information the player is asked to take in before they start playing. For instance, when Mario first showed up in Donkey Kong, he wasn't called Mario. He was just called "Jumpman." That was all you needed to know about him: he jumps, and he's a man. New Super Mario Bros. Wii has a similarly minimal approach to storytelling. No names, no introductions; just a kidnapped woman and a rescue party.

For a game made for gamers and non-gamers alike, it makes sense. I don't know how many times I've introduced a game to a non-gamer, only to have them lose interest because there is "too much talking." I'm not talking Metal Gear Solid of Final Fantasy VIII, I mean games like Zack & Wiki and Ghostbusters. Non-gamers don't want information. They want to play right away. They don't want to have to think.

Telling us who these new Toads are would take up valuable seconds, and might cause some of us to think. That could potentially detract from the player's ability to slip into the experience of New Super Mario Bros. Wii, or at least, maybe that's what Nintendo's thinking. The fact that I'm writing this post shows that leaving the new Toads unnamed has made at least two people on the planet (me and you) think a whole lot. If that was Nintendo's aim, then I guess they failed.

Nameless characters are easier to relate to

Maybe it's not that Nintendo thought that naming the Toads would make the game worse. Maybe they thought that leaving them unnamed would be better. Playing as a completely anonymous character is a rare event in gaming today, though it used to be commonplace. I still don't know the name of the disembodied eyeballs that star in the Atari 2600 game Haunted House, or the name of the guy in Berzerk, and yet I'm still talking about them. Would I still remember then if they were named something stupid like "Mr. Pupils" and "Magnus Robot Fighter"?

Yeah, probably, but I definitely wouldn't remember them as fondly. Leaving those characters nameless probably made me like them more. Just as the silent protagonist allows players to speak for them, a nameless protagonist can be anybody. I've already met quite a few women who are convinced that "Yellow Toad" is a woman too, and that's why it's the only character they're willing to play as. That might not have happened if Nintendo had given he/she/it a name.

They don't care

Out of all the theories here, this is the stupidest one, but also the most likely. The minds at the highest level of Nintendo are extremely focused on the fundamentals of game design and creating accessible experiences. They aren't focused on crafting a world populated with deep and complicated characters. Nintendo has made it clear that there is no firm timeline for the Zelda games, despite the fact that fans desperately want one. Miyamoto has also said that story isn't important in Mario games. It's not too much of a leap to think that they just didn't think that we'd care that the two co-stars of one of their biggest games ever don't have names, because they didn't care.

Then again, they do have names, they just aren't official. That leads me to my last idea...

"Bucken-Berry" and "Ala-Gold" mean something bad in Japanese

I've heard some theories about this, but not being a native speaker of Japanese, I can't be sure. Phonetically, Bucken-Berry is "Ba-Kun-Beh-Lee" and Ala-Gold is "Ah-Ra-Goh-Du." "Baka" means "jerk" and "Kun" is a suffix that means "little guy," sort of like using "Y" at the end of "Johnny." So, maybe "Ba-Kun" means "jerky"? That wouldn't be such a good thing by Nintendo standards. I'm not even going to venture into what the other names might mean, as I have the feeling that I'm butchering this translation process as it is.

I guess I'm just hoping that Nintendo has a good reason for not running with the Bucken-Berry and Ala-Gold thing. More so, I'm hoping the names are formally used in future games. The names have really grown on me, and there is just something off-putting about the fact that Nintendo hasn't embraced them.

These two little bastards have warmed the hearts of whole new generation of Mario fans. The least Nintendo can do is give them names.

[UPDATE: I just caught wind of this 2010 New Year's card that Miyamoto drew. I can't read the Japanese here, but it is notable that the card features Mario, Luigi, Bucken-Berry, and "regular" Toad. Did Miyamoto mix up "regular" Toad with Ala-Gold, further promoting the idea that he just doesn't care about these new characters, or is there something else going on here? MYSTERIOUS!]

 

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PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:02
PappaDukes
#Nick Chester and his Singing Vagina

^--- Tag of the century.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:08
Electrium
The good reason Nintendo had for not running with Bucken-berry and Ala-gold:
THEY'RE NAMED FREAKIN BUCKEN-BERRY AND ALA-GOLD! XD

Pretty fun article to read; I enjoyed it.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:08
Hiltz
Why name these two particular toads when the original "the princess is in another castle" original toad doesn't have a name ?

Toads aren't special. They're just average citizens of the mushroom kingdom. They don't require to be given proper names.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:08
BlackSunEmpire
Maybe they didnt name them to catch out the yellow/blue colour blind players. If they had wanted to be kind they should have given them the same name.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:09
Mr Andy Dixon
Great read!

I need to make my wife read this article; she ONLY plays as Yellow Toad and HATES the dialog in videogames (a fact I just found out yesterday as I played through Uncharted, of all games).
koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:09
koehler83
When my gf first caught me playing Uncharted 2, she was shocked, completely flabbergasted, that Drake was talking to the other characters, that he had a name.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:15
Tubatic
They were going to make them Miis, but that just didn't workout. By the time they scrapped it, it was too late to give them any backstory.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:15
Tubatic
... is my theory.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:21
Rockvillian
My vote is on them not giving a damn.
Poe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:33
Poe
Toadette should have been the 4th playable character. She would save the princess 500 times. EVERY DAY.
Tron's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:35
Tron
What exactly is it about Yellow Toad that makes women think its a woman? or at least makes it a woman and makes blue toad not?
Iceblueslushy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:35
Iceblueslushy
The reasons these Toads and most Toads don't have a name is because in Japan there is a concept that a race of beings and an individual from that race are the same thing. For example, there is the character Toad, but he is not really differentiated as an individual toad most of the time. He is every toad and only one toad at the same time. Really weird, I know, but this is how they look at it.

Same with the Yoshis, The character's name is Yoshi, but that is also the name of the race. You can call every Yoshi "Yoshi" as it's name, and it still means the race at the same time. Also the same with Magikoopas/Kamek. People always get confused as to whether or not the Magikoopa currently on screen is the one and only Kamek, or if it is a different individual of that same race. It's because in Japan it's one and the same. Every Magikoopa is Kamek.

This is a really odd concept to grasp at first, hopefully I've done a decent job of explaining it. :/
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:42
free touch
Blue Toad is an asshole.
Poe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:44
Poe
@ Tron: The yellow power ranger is a woman. Blue is a colour typically associated with the male sex.
A New Challenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:48
A New Challenger
That should do it. Here are your names: Mr. Blue. Mr. Gold.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:55
manasteel88
because nobody cares about the toads? you can only get stuck playing as one of the toads. you can never want to be a generic yellow/blue toad.
Brass's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 16:57
Brass
Because Mario isn't Sonic and the franchise doesn't need to be bogged down in supplementary characters.

I think Iceblueslushy has the right idea. Plus, every Toad with a name has a creative handle like, say, Toadette. Might run out of options if they blow that load too early.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:01
CelicaCrazed
Actually this is what annoyed me most about the game, that the two toads were just generic, nameless characters. This is after the Toads were given some personality with the intergalatic Toad Brigade in Mario Galaxy. I guess it's just a small annoyance to a great game.

Good article, Holmes!
True Axiom's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:08
True Axiom
I'd like to assert, at this time, that Yellow Toad makes the best noise in the history of mankind on using a continue. Yellow Toad will always be a series of high pitched screams in my mind.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:17
The Silent Protagonist
I always just make up tot story to Mario games as I go along. Mario just goes out on these elaborate drug fanrasies which leaves Princess Peach all lonley, but also hot and bothered.

King Koopa and her have a thing going. She gets freaky and he gets children.She's "kidnapped" so he can plant and sow his seed in her and then she's given back to Mario, who's too busy collecting coins and stoned out of his mind dressed up in a Bee Suit to really know what's going on.
Alastor's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:24
Alastor
Why naming mushroom who always dies ?
ChickenNow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:32
ChickenNow
@Silent Protagonist: Sounds like Thursday to me.
Nicojay2's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:36
Nicojay2
Never use you're real names when planning a heist. Princess has been hoarding her wealth to long. Bitch is gonna get robbed.
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:55
Discarded Couch Sandwich
That was freaking sweet! I'd be playing Bucken-berry myself if my partner didn't keep hoarding him (Strangely, over the Christmas break she's somehow become a ninja with that Toad. She manages to zip through world 7-6 -- those bloody hard red floating cloud beetle things -- far faster than I can keep up at any rate!)

Also, I accept cash or paypal.

<3
DustyBlue's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:59
DustyBlue
They don't have names because they are just generic, stock toads picked off the streets of the Mushroom Kingdom simply because there weren't any other interesting, better characters. Naming a character with no particularly special attributes just isn't necessary. Plain and simple.

For the record, a 2-D Mario game with co-op is not an original idea either; it's just something they haven't done yet because Nintendo is too busy with rehashes that they have to keep a small list of ideas that could make Mario seem not-as-exactly-the-same as the games before it, or else the fanboys would get finally start to think "Hmm, haven't I been playing this for the past 20 years?", so every once in a while Nintendo has to add SOMETHING to keep the series a little compelling once in a while.

And yes, I realize this a troll-like comment. Get used to it.
MiOdd's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 18:16
MiOdd
I still like Yvan and Wolley better.
rice cracker's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 18:28
rice cracker
Is this really such a foreign concept? Sci-fi has been using nameless races for decades. The Borg do not(usually) have separate names. Neither do the Ood from Doctor Who. And what about the Marklar from South Park? I guess being an interactive experience, having a nameless playable character makes it easier to get into. Perhaps pretending that you are that character rather than playing as someone distinct from you. I remember a day when games used to ask for your name rather than naming the protagonist for you. How is that for immersion? Of course we are probably thinking a bit too deep for a Mario game.
casesomething's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 18:45
casesomething
...second sentence: should be "less than" not "less then." Sorry. I'm a douche. Other than that, it would have been nice to have fleshed out back stories for these little guys. Toads have always seemed interesting to me. Come to think of it, there are few characters who really are fully fleshed out in the Mario Bros. universe... how disappointing. I'm going to try to ignore all those thoughts. What the fuck am I thinking?! He's fucking Mario and his universe doesn't need a complex back story!
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 18:48
pedrovay2003
I'm calling at least one of these characters "Jerky" from now on.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 18:57
Jonathan Holmes
@ casesomething - Thanks for the typo fix. I'll have you know that that one got by even the great Samit Sarkar.

Congratulations! You out-Samit'ed Samit!
Ball Buster's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 19:36
Ball Buster
I like the idea of calling the blue one Jerky.
Snarc's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 20:14
Snarc
The update made this the best game story of the decade.
Artemus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 20:25
Artemus
I actually call them Berry and Gold, thanks to you, Holmes(from an earlier post you wrote). And, let me tell you, it has spread! Many of my friends now do the same(and they don't even read DTOID). Yeah, I don't know what's wrong with them either! So, to us they are simply Berry and Gold. =)
Do they really need names? Not necessarily, but it would have been nice. Would have given them more of an identity, but maybe that's what Nintendo wanted to avoid?! I agree with Poe and others, the fourth Mushroom Retainer should have been Toadette. Or at the very least Nintendo could have given players a palette of colors to choose from. Imagine a black, purple, orange, red or pink Mushroom Retainer? How sweet would that have been?
By the way, I beat the game solo a few weeks back(100%) and just last night beat it again(not 100%) with a friend and the game still manages to bring a huge smile to my face! <3
Also, that Miyamoto New Year's Card drawing made my day! =D
Monotar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 20:39
Monotar
I still think they are stand-ins for Wario and Waluigi
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 20:42
Darren Nakamura
I will call them Bucken-Berry and Ala-Gold from now on.
TheOGB's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 20:43
TheOGB
I liked IGN's suggested Yvan and Wolley (read them bacwards). But that would make people think and thinking is NO GOOD.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 22:22
the7k
I wonder - would it have been so hard for Nintendo to come up with a plot line for the game that has Wario and Waluigi join up with Mario and Luigi as Players 3 & 4?

Because, seriously - even though I consider Waluigi a pointless character, I would choose him hands down every time over a generic toad. As for Wario - anyone who doesn't like Wario is a communist. There, I said it.
Toadofsky's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 22:59
Toadofsky
@ the7k:

Well I was going to say something regarding your comment on the plot of the story, we all already know it doesn't need one at all, it's short sweet to the point. Rescue the Princess that should have been in the Kitchen making more food.
(Room goes "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh!"
I kid, I kid.

Seriously though, I think that if they put those two in instead, it would have made it a little more difficult to differentiate them all, maybe. But then again, why would Wario and Waluigi even wanna help them out? Unless they'd get Money...
Leo Modesto's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 23:29
Leo Modesto
Miyamoto himself drew that? That's pretty cool. He should do art for his own games more often.

I think the normal Toad is the one that you have to escort through a level from time to time. They're just playing a three-player game is all.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 23:59
the7k
@ Toadofsky
"But then again, why would Wario and Waluigi even wanna help them out? Unless they'd get Money..."

Yeah, that's what I mean as far as "Put something in the plot that makes them join Mario and Luigi". I mean, hell - if they could get Bowser to join up with Mario in SMRPG, I'm sure they could figure out something for those two.

Maybe Bowser kidnaps Mona as well?
Michael Brown's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 03:05
Michael Brown
Over Analyzing..
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 03:24
Bob Muir
I'm surprised that Miyamoto can actually draw, that's a rather impressive sketch for someone so high up in the company and focused on bigger picture things. I just assumed he has other people to draw for him.

@ Holmes
You made an error (as you suspected) in your Japanese analysis. The -kun suffix is mainly used by boys to refer to fellow male friends in a familiar way, as opposed to an unfamiliar way (no suffix) or a more respectful way (the -san suffix). (Girls can also use it, mainly to refer to boys.) It is also used in a diminutive sense to refer to younger boys even if you aren't familiar with them, but this is also a subset of the main usage. I can see how you might have mistaken this part of the usage for "little guy," but it's incorrect.

Furthermore, breaking down the names into their Japanese pronunciation would be (rendered in romanji) Bakenberii and Aragourudo ("ou" being a longer "o" sound). Unfortunately, my Japanese vocabulary is fairly weak, so I don't see any Japanese wordplay that those names could mean.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 07:53
falinter
Someone should stand up for Toad rights!
Piellar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 08:08
Piellar
I loved reading this article, and nice pics!

Also, when I play with 3 friends nobody wants to be stuck with Luigi and chooses their character as quick as possible. Was it like that for some of guys too? Luigiphobia is a new illness. It must be his sexy dance in Brawl.
the Buddha 7's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 08:28
the Buddha 7
They're the wonder twins. They don't have names cause they're named as a pair - kinda like the ice-climbers from super smash brothers, only without the suck. The important thing isn't their names, but that the people playing as the wonder twins try to screw over friends playing as mario and luigi, while making sure to help each other get the giant coins on the level (through head jumps and the such) while proclaiming "wonder twin powers: activate! form of: awesome!" (feel free to substitute "victory," "super effective," "suck it, plumbers," or other declarations of awesomesauce in place of "awesome").

Co-operative versus mode of Out of Shape Plumbers v. The Wonder Twins is, by far, the best way to play NSMBW.
grego314's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 09:00
grego314
The one recurring theme that I have with my friends when playing NSMB Wii is how much of a jerk the Toads are. If we're on a quest to save their princess, why do they constantly make us jump through hoops and play games to get supplies? Why don't they just give them to us? The Toads deserve their lot in life.
teke367's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 09:48
teke367
Nintendo is the company that named its most famous character Mario Mario. They can pretend all they want that it was on purpose, but truth is they didn't realize they used the first name instead of a last name when calling them "Mario Bros."

So, they've been messing names up for almost 30 years now.
Greylocke's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 10:49
Greylocke
Is that Ala-Gold as in "we served the apple pie a la mode" or the onmipotent Allah, creator and surpreme being?
ZombiePlatypus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 11:14
ZombiePlatypus
Over Christmas I played a lot of NSMB Wii with my three brothers, and they are now all fully committed to calling these guys Ala-Gold and Bucken-Berry. There were even arguments over who got to play as Bucken-Berry, Mario was actually the least popular character between the four of us.

NateT's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 11:20
NateT
Japanese commoners did not get surnames untill the Meiji restoration (late 19th century), if I remember correctly. Perhaps the Mushroom kindom is run in a simular way.
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