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This is just going to keep happening over and over until one of them finally gets through.
We're not better off if the bill gets killed outright. We're better off if the bill gets FIXED so we can put this all behind us with as little harm as possible.
We're not better off if the bill gets killed outright. We're better off if the bill gets FIXED so we can put this all behind us with as little harm as possible.
Nah, Obama will just say "I disapprove of this bill, but I'll make it law anyway." Like he did with that Indefinite Detention bill several months back.
Obamas a sellout bitch like every other politician. Hell flap his lips to appease the public while hell do whatever corporations(Republicans) want him to.
Yeah I won't paint Obama a hero even if he does veto. He signed ACTA behind America's back and the NDAA. He's not on our side, just playing politics to look like he is.
Only been a few months, and they're right back at it. Use the bathroom now if you have to, it's gonna be a long ride.
@Tristrix
These bills are just continuations of the kinds of bills that have been passed/proposed for a few decades now. It's fairly clear what they want, and they'll try to get the whole pie whether or not we let them have a few sating bites here and there.
@Tristrix
These bills are just continuations of the kinds of bills that have been passed/proposed for a few decades now. It's fairly clear what they want, and they'll try to get the whole pie whether or not we let them have a few sating bites here and there.
This is the same white house that said it wouldn't sign a bill that allows Americans to be detained as possible terrorists.
I'm not believing a word they say.
I'm not believing a word they say.
You mean like Obama vetoed NDAA when he said he would...oh wait...
Don't fall for this bullshit, he will sign it into law with a smile on his face, just like NDAA.
Don't fall for this bullshit, he will sign it into law with a smile on his face, just like NDAA.
Happy to see the President is on top of this.
In other News, found G1 Transformers on Netflix last night, says it was just added, for those who care and don't have the series on DVD.
In other News, found G1 Transformers on Netflix last night, says it was just added, for those who care and don't have the series on DVD.
I agree with the sentiment that a politician's word doesn't mean SHIT, but I suppose it would be best to inform you all that Obama actually didn't have a say in NDAA. You should all be outraged at Congress, as the bill passed with a 93-7 vote.
But anyway. Let's go, team! *huddle* 3, 2, 1, FUCK CISPA!
But anyway. Let's go, team! *huddle* 3, 2, 1, FUCK CISPA!
@mix
Industry lobbyists. After SOPA, it became pretty obvious that our leaders don't know their asses from their elbows when it comes to this stuff.
Industry lobbyists. After SOPA, it became pretty obvious that our leaders don't know their asses from their elbows when it comes to this stuff.
Another day, another politician begging to take away the final institution of personal freedom and expression.
Also, that header makes Megatron look like he's crying so hard he has started to drool a little bit.
Also, that header makes Megatron look like he's crying so hard he has started to drool a little bit.
The White House also said it would veto the 2012 NDAA, a bill SIGNIFICANTLY more important than all this bullshit the internet is freaking the fuck out about. Then it was passed.
The internet: cares about its porn and pirated music, doesn't give a fuck about due process of law or military prisons.
The internet: cares about its porn and pirated music, doesn't give a fuck about due process of law or military prisons.
You all should vote democrat in the 2012 elections.
Republicans will rally behind big corporations under the guise of trying to morally set things right for the US citizens ... Republicans will just make stuff way worse if they are put in charge of these type of decisions!
Republicans will rally behind big corporations under the guise of trying to morally set things right for the US citizens ... Republicans will just make stuff way worse if they are put in charge of these type of decisions!
Wtf is wrong with me?
Thinking about politics, trying to get people to care about poli sci.
I should probably just be a boss and play on my VITA like all the times.
Thinking about politics, trying to get people to care about poli sci.
I should probably just be a boss and play on my VITA like all the times.
I'm sorry you think this is a partisan issue, handhelds4ever, but it's very VERY much not. At all. Each and every one of these anti-internet bills has been authored and sponsored and approved by a bi-partisan group. Your personal politics really doesn't come into play on this issue.
Tristrix is right, something actually needs to be passed for this to get resolved. It's like a hydra, it's not going to go away by constantly getting cut down.
I know next to nothing about politics, so I don't know about this other thing Obama passed even though he said he wouldn't, but I'll say this much -- I'll take him any day of the week over Romney.
I know next to nothing about politics, so I don't know about this other thing Obama passed even though he said he wouldn't, but I'll say this much -- I'll take him any day of the week over Romney.
@Pedrovay
Except passing anything like this would mean defeat for everyone who uses the internet. Nothing like this should ever be passed, under any circumstance. The American public stands to gain absolutely nothing from this bill, or any bill that could trace its lineage back to it. The entire idea that a bill like this should ever be passed needs to be abandoned, and the issue of cybersecurity needs to be better understood and approached from a different angle.
It's naive to think that sating them on this issue by giving them a nibble will make them quit trying to grab the whole pie. There's been no satiation up to this point, I have no idea why anyone believes it'll be any other way this time around.
Also, yeah there is no real legitimate partisanship here. Both sides want this shit equally as badly, one side is just much more public with it.
Except passing anything like this would mean defeat for everyone who uses the internet. Nothing like this should ever be passed, under any circumstance. The American public stands to gain absolutely nothing from this bill, or any bill that could trace its lineage back to it. The entire idea that a bill like this should ever be passed needs to be abandoned, and the issue of cybersecurity needs to be better understood and approached from a different angle.
It's naive to think that sating them on this issue by giving them a nibble will make them quit trying to grab the whole pie. There's been no satiation up to this point, I have no idea why anyone believes it'll be any other way this time around.
Also, yeah there is no real legitimate partisanship here. Both sides want this shit equally as badly, one side is just much more public with it.
It's votes vs money and if they don't get enough votes, they'll make fuck sure they have enough money.
OneRed, there is a compelling argument to be made in favor of Cybersecurity. It's not necessarily entirely evil and entirely scary. It's just entirely done wrong in this case. Got a moment for some reading material?
They WILL pass something along these lines, eventually. It's just going to happen. Our time and resources are wasted trying to swim upstream. We're far more likely to be successful cooperating in a reasonable compromise here than we are being obstructionist.
They WILL pass something along these lines, eventually. It's just going to happen. Our time and resources are wasted trying to swim upstream. We're far more likely to be successful cooperating in a reasonable compromise here than we are being obstructionist.
Also in case some of you hadn't seen this yet, CISPA passed in the House today.
It looks as if a proper scene from the Transformers: the movie to use for this article would have been the one when Megatron cries out "I accept your terms! I acceeeeeeeeeeeept theeeeeeeem!" and Unicron replies with a simple "Excellent."
Oh absolutely. The problem with this bill, and SOPA before it, is that they give our government/private entities the ability to forgo proper channels, and act directly based on what could be essentially nothing. To say either of these bills are/were about cybersecurity is akin to saying the a-bomb was about peace. It wasn't, it was about killing as many people as possible, and expecting peace to come as a consequence of that. These bills afford the government the legal right to go well beyond the realm of cybersecurity, cybersecurity would theoretically come as a consequence of a greater action.
I'm going to read that article once I finish this post. I want to say, though, that I'm not against cybersecurity. What I'm against is cybersecurity being paraded as something it's not by people who have no desire to understand what cyber-anything is. I'm against the bureaucracy, red tape, and loopholes present in our criminal justice system that allow for cyber crime cases to go unprosecuted. We can have our cake and eat it too, we don't need to sacrifice our rights for greater security. It's just the easiest way of doing so.
So I suppose my response to "they WILL pass something along these lines, eventually. It's just going to happen" is that assing anything like CISPA would involve warrantless surveillance, and opposing warrantless surveillance is hardly obstructionist.
I'm going to read that article once I finish this post. I want to say, though, that I'm not against cybersecurity. What I'm against is cybersecurity being paraded as something it's not by people who have no desire to understand what cyber-anything is. I'm against the bureaucracy, red tape, and loopholes present in our criminal justice system that allow for cyber crime cases to go unprosecuted. We can have our cake and eat it too, we don't need to sacrifice our rights for greater security. It's just the easiest way of doing so.
So I suppose my response to "they WILL pass something along these lines, eventually. It's just going to happen" is that assing anything like CISPA would involve warrantless surveillance, and opposing warrantless surveillance is hardly obstructionist.
@tristix:
Yeah, I am not taking just your word for it. Nor should anyone have taken my word on my first post (kinda why I dismissed the original statement and said I was Finn a go back to playing my VITA). Show all the legislature and sources that trace the intent of this pice of legislature than let people draw their own conclusions ... On why this should not pass
More importantly (if you choose to be active on these matters) on how our polonaise handle this Shiz. Write to your local congressman and tell them about this stuff.
You know. If you actually like doing the whole active participant in the political system thing. (I am pretty mild and lazy, tbh. But I do know about certain world events and US Econ and politics)
@pedrovay2003:
Generally speaking, I lean to the liberals that care after lower middle class people. But that is just me.
It takes all kinds and those that value capatilism and using moral values as a tool for bettering things have had their place in the history of US politics. Again, just bc I don't dig that kind of thing does not entitle me to tell people what they should think blindly.
tl;dr Everyone is butt clenching when Jim is right.
Yeah, I am not taking just your word for it. Nor should anyone have taken my word on my first post (kinda why I dismissed the original statement and said I was Finn a go back to playing my VITA). Show all the legislature and sources that trace the intent of this pice of legislature than let people draw their own conclusions ... On why this should not pass
More importantly (if you choose to be active on these matters) on how our polonaise handle this Shiz. Write to your local congressman and tell them about this stuff.
You know. If you actually like doing the whole active participant in the political system thing. (I am pretty mild and lazy, tbh. But I do know about certain world events and US Econ and politics)
@pedrovay2003:
Generally speaking, I lean to the liberals that care after lower middle class people. But that is just me.
It takes all kinds and those that value capatilism and using moral values as a tool for bettering things have had their place in the history of US politics. Again, just bc I don't dig that kind of thing does not entitle me to tell people what they should think blindly.
tl;dr Everyone is butt clenching when Jim is right.
Btw, @tristix, I obv made that comment after you submitted some links.
Thanks for sharing some of those. Hopefully, they are not emotionally charged things and talk about the facts ...
Thanks for sharing some of those. Hopefully, they are not emotionally charged things and talk about the facts ...
Bad news and good news.
Bad news: CISPA passed the House this evening.
Good news: The margin wasn't veto-proof.
Bad news: CISPA passed the House this evening.
Good news: The margin wasn't veto-proof.
Haha.
I will never respond long windedly on an iPhone again.
"Polonaise", wtf is this nonsense auto correct
I will never respond long windedly on an iPhone again.
"Polonaise", wtf is this nonsense auto correct
@QuartrGuy
It'll die in the Senate, especially considering its an election year.
@handhelds4ever
I'll have none of your polonaise talk here, dammit. Polock jokes are classless, especially the one about the submarines with the screen doors.
It'll die in the Senate, especially considering its an election year.
@handhelds4ever
I'll have none of your polonaise talk here, dammit. Polock jokes are classless, especially the one about the submarines with the screen doors.
@handhelds4ever
I think I believe what I believe about the whole Romney and Republicans thing after living in Utah as long as I have.
I think I believe what I believe about the whole Romney and Republicans thing after living in Utah as long as I have.
They also promised to veto the NDAA, but he signed it while on vacation in Hawaii. Not like it made a difference anyway, I've heard stories of agents kidnapping American children on even the mildest suspicion of terrorism... and despite all the rhetoric Guantanamo Bay is still open and the Patriot Act is still in play!
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