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I don't even know why this game is relevant anymore? It has so much crap around it that it's just going to be a failure in people's minds if it isn't the absolute best game ever.
if released, it's going to have to be one of the biggest games...ahem...EVAHHH. which, it won't be. nothing can live up to the bullshit hype hurricane this has created.
although this is pretty funny:
the duke nukem forever list
although this is pretty funny:
the duke nukem forever list
i cant believe people are still looking forward to this game. Duke Nukem was great in the early 90's but today he is just lame. Excuse me for using old internet lexicon but the only reason I would play it is "for the lulz"
This article is so true, I don't see how the developers at this company can excuse themselves, they've released games between this franchise, they have a few fatass nerds working on it who seem to have income rolling in while they create nothing, meanwhile games like Crysis and Unreal come out with stunning graphics and gameplay, with a production cycle of what, 2, 3 years max? This game seems to take 11+ years, and now thinks E3 is irrelevant? What bullshit.
I just don't get posts like this. 3D Realms doesn't owe you anything, Brad, despite the special place in your heart that you have given over to their mascot.
On a different note, Time to Kill was not a FPS. It was a third-person acknowledged rip off of Tomb Raider. No where close to the FPS genre.
On a different note, Time to Kill was not a FPS. It was a third-person acknowledged rip off of Tomb Raider. No where close to the FPS genre.
E3 is becoming LESS relevent, that's surely true, even if it's not irrelevent. Did anything big happen at last year's E3? No Everyone had their own trade show or went to TGS or Leipzig or wherever. This year may fair somewhat better, but regardless, after E3 06 the show has become a shell of what it used to be, and it's certainly far less relevent. Various outlets have been saying that this will probably be the last E3 for this very reason. IGN among them. And I know IGN harbors a bit of hatred, but they have clout in the gaming industry nonetheless.
I can certainly agree with this article. I was an avid fan of Duke 3D and even the little sidescroller that came before. The fact of the matter is that there's no logical, conceivable reason for ANY game to spend 10 years in development. I work in the industry myself and it shows an overall lack of dedication, enthusiasm, skill or interest. I'm not even sure they realise that a game with 10 years of expectations behind it will pretty much have to be the grestest thing ever in order to NOT be considered a massive failure and a waste of time. How they didn't run out of funding for the game years ago is beyond me.
"Britney Spears' entire musical career as a pop star has taken place during Duke Nukem Forever's development."
lol
lol
Remember snakes on a plane (haha).
Thats what this has turned into... but all of you STILL watched it.. dont lie.
I for one.. will STILL play this, sad I know... but Duke Nukem (Taking forever XD)... you still have a place in my heart. See you in 2013!
Thats what this has turned into... but all of you STILL watched it.. dont lie.
I for one.. will STILL play this, sad I know... but Duke Nukem (Taking forever XD)... you still have a place in my heart. See you in 2013!
oooh... HAD to pass this along too, again from the list:
World War II and the entire Manhattan Project. Yes, even the complete development of the atomic bomb took less time to develop than DNF.
World War II and the entire Manhattan Project. Yes, even the complete development of the atomic bomb took less time to develop than DNF.
I'm perfectly willing to believe 3D Realms when they say E3 is no longer relevant, particularly after the poor management of the show last year. Granted, I don't think Duke Nukem Forever is ever going to arrive and, if it does, it certainly won't have been worth the wait for anyone who actually gave a damn about such an uninteresting, uninspired and dull series of games.
But the dude's right. E3 is dead, long live E3.
But the dude's right. E3 is dead, long live E3.
What I don't get is why people think that Duke Nukem is the only franchise that 3D Realms has to work with. What about other games that they've been a part of over the years, are you too quick to forget about Max Payne? And what about Prey? I personally liked it.
What I see are a lot of cool concepts and Ideas that were originally thought of for duke, but in the end it doesn't fit too well, and the concepts are just too good to scrap, so another game is made. Nothing wrong with that, after all, would anyone bash StarCraft because it hindered progress of WarCraft III?
I'm still looking forward to Duke Nukem, whether it's just the chance to play as a sunglass-wearing, cigar-smoking ball of testosterone that will more than likely blow everything up; or just to see if the edgy social commentary is just as edgy as the 1996 game. After playing other games that 3D Realms have been involved with, I'm sure it will be a hit.
What I see are a lot of cool concepts and Ideas that were originally thought of for duke, but in the end it doesn't fit too well, and the concepts are just too good to scrap, so another game is made. Nothing wrong with that, after all, would anyone bash StarCraft because it hindered progress of WarCraft III?
I'm still looking forward to Duke Nukem, whether it's just the chance to play as a sunglass-wearing, cigar-smoking ball of testosterone that will more than likely blow everything up; or just to see if the edgy social commentary is just as edgy as the 1996 game. After playing other games that 3D Realms have been involved with, I'm sure it will be a hit.
@cryingtheannual...
I agree nobody owes us anything at 3d Realms. Realistically though if I had said to somebody that I'm going to do something and don't, well that makes me a bit of an ass. I don't owe that person anything and I don't have to do what I said I would, but in that case I should just stop saying I will do something. Its been a decade since they said this game would come out, and saying that e3 isn't relevant is like saying Duke Nukem is relevant. Its not. They have made their mascot a joke and they have no idea how to make up for that.
I don't care about the game personally its just defending 3d Realms against criticism is rediculous. They have been touting this game for a decade and have nothing to show for it.
I agree nobody owes us anything at 3d Realms. Realistically though if I had said to somebody that I'm going to do something and don't, well that makes me a bit of an ass. I don't owe that person anything and I don't have to do what I said I would, but in that case I should just stop saying I will do something. Its been a decade since they said this game would come out, and saying that e3 isn't relevant is like saying Duke Nukem is relevant. Its not. They have made their mascot a joke and they have no idea how to make up for that.
I don't care about the game personally its just defending 3d Realms against criticism is rediculous. They have been touting this game for a decade and have nothing to show for it.
Good games don't take forever to develop. There have been so many really stellar products lately and they have taken a fraction of the time Duke Nukem' Forever has taken thus far. The simple fact is that Duke Nukem' has a very big hill to crest if it hopes to not let the few fans it has left down.
They took 10 years to release prey too, but they got it done and it was a fun lil game. They aren't the only company not showing stuff at e3, so why specifically shit on them?
@theremedy
Prey had a little help from Producers 2k games (Take-Two) and developers Human Head Studios.
Prey had a little help from Producers 2k games (Take-Two) and developers Human Head Studios.
@manasteel88
Still, it took 10 years. I could also say Spore has taken about 8 years as well and no one seems angry about it. Every Blizzard game takes over 5 years as well. I just don't see the purpose of the article.
Still, it took 10 years. I could also say Spore has taken about 8 years as well and no one seems angry about it. Every Blizzard game takes over 5 years as well. I just don't see the purpose of the article.
In all fairness E3 is absolutely irrelevant these days. And really, the ESA itself.
If they were to show it anywhere, it should be E for all, or really PAX is probably the biggest thing in the states now.
If they were to show it anywhere, it should be E for all, or really PAX is probably the biggest thing in the states now.
3dR has gone through some... weird times.
But every time I begin to doubt I watch the 2001 E3 trailer again. Holy shit, man.
But every time I begin to doubt I watch the 2001 E3 trailer again. Holy shit, man.
I have to agree the article is a little focussed and oddly angry at something like this. Games constantly take forever, this one just happens to be doing it the.. best? Most? Whatever.
I think people forget that 'being in development' is different from 'announced on, then abandoned, then re-acquired, etc.'
Look at Team Fortress 2. I think the extra long cycle really helped the game.
I think people forget that 'being in development' is different from 'announced on, then abandoned, then re-acquired, etc.'
Look at Team Fortress 2. I think the extra long cycle really helped the game.
I'm with you Brad, this shit is taking too long. I'm not one to pay much attention to games that aren't anywhere near release but DNF is becoming impossible to ignore.
You're quickly becoming one of my favorite writters on Destructoid, keep up the good work. =)
You're quickly becoming one of my favorite writters on Destructoid, keep up the good work. =)
Preaching to the choir, Brad. At this point, it amazes me that they're still actually in development. Most other projects would have been canceled over half a decade ago, and saved the capital required for other projects.
Duke as a character was always lame. The only reason we liked it is because most of us were in middle school at the time.
I've been waiting just as long as anyone has, and patiently. But they are going to have to show something soon or finally just kill the game. Once masters of their craft, now they are a fucking joke.
I understand the frustration. However, do you guys n galls know that upcoming game known as Too Human? You might not be aware of it, but Too Human was originally a PS1 project.
Too Human was showed off in 1999, then got moved to GC. Next year, Too Human will also be ten years in the pipe, so pray it gets out the gate this year. Either way, you'll find many games are in development for years before work actually begins, for the to become products.
Sure, Duke Nukem is as cliched as fuck. Its become a target more than most games because of this, and this is why no one has mentioned Too Human yet.
Personally, I fancy seeing Prey 2 more. Prey was a cool game many overlooked. Duke Nukem though, would have to do something special for me to buy and play. Unfortunately, I just don't see it, but I'm open to my mind being changed.
Too Human was showed off in 1999, then got moved to GC. Next year, Too Human will also be ten years in the pipe, so pray it gets out the gate this year. Either way, you'll find many games are in development for years before work actually begins, for the to become products.
Sure, Duke Nukem is as cliched as fuck. Its become a target more than most games because of this, and this is why no one has mentioned Too Human yet.
Personally, I fancy seeing Prey 2 more. Prey was a cool game many overlooked. Duke Nukem though, would have to do something special for me to buy and play. Unfortunately, I just don't see it, but I'm open to my mind being changed.
E3 has shrank considerably, i don't have the stats but I remember reading on Gamespot after the last one that many devs/pubs are shrugging it off as being not worth it anymore. I cannot cite the article but if you were to look up attendance you would likely see numbers to reflect that.
Secondly, let them take however long they wan't. It's not going to be the apocalypse if it isn't the best game ever made. They're just taking their time. There are some freaking amazing games that dropped this year already, more than enough to keep anyone busy until more great games come out. Why get irritable because it's taking long. Is duke the only game you want to play? Let's just ask 3drealms to realise it tomorrow, unfinished, so we can all have closure, maybe that will satiate you.
One dude called the "Duke Series" uninspired. I think other people alluded to it as well. These people probably played duke on the ps like our friendly article writer. You people don't get duke. You did not walk into a computer store to see it on display on their new 486 machines. If you did, you would have been witnessing a pant-shittingly awesome realisation of how interactive games could REALLY be. This was western development at its finest, freedom, excitement, SURPRISES. You never knew what kind of crazy shit was going to happen next. Many games today have still not reached the same level of environmental interactivity in Duke 3D. So if you think duke is uninspired, please go play Super Ultra Mega Fantasy 9: The Haunted Curse of The Sword of Butzenwald and marvel at how in this version, the menu cursor makes an exciting new sound! Oh, and the characters look even more androgynous in this version! Yaaaay!
Secondly, let them take however long they wan't. It's not going to be the apocalypse if it isn't the best game ever made. They're just taking their time. There are some freaking amazing games that dropped this year already, more than enough to keep anyone busy until more great games come out. Why get irritable because it's taking long. Is duke the only game you want to play? Let's just ask 3drealms to realise it tomorrow, unfinished, so we can all have closure, maybe that will satiate you.
One dude called the "Duke Series" uninspired. I think other people alluded to it as well. These people probably played duke on the ps like our friendly article writer. You people don't get duke. You did not walk into a computer store to see it on display on their new 486 machines. If you did, you would have been witnessing a pant-shittingly awesome realisation of how interactive games could REALLY be. This was western development at its finest, freedom, excitement, SURPRISES. You never knew what kind of crazy shit was going to happen next. Many games today have still not reached the same level of environmental interactivity in Duke 3D. So if you think duke is uninspired, please go play Super Ultra Mega Fantasy 9: The Haunted Curse of The Sword of Butzenwald and marvel at how in this version, the menu cursor makes an exciting new sound! Oh, and the characters look even more androgynous in this version! Yaaaay!
At this point, whenever I think of 3D Realms the de-rez 'documentary' always seems disturbingly plausible, more so following their E3 comment.
I demand a return to the true original incarnation of Duke Nukem which was crappy side scrolling shooters.
John Romero's About To Make You His Bitch....Suck it down
At this point, it's up for biggest disappointment in gaming history, with it's only competition being the game the above ad campaign was for.
At this point, it's up for biggest disappointment in gaming history, with it's only competition being the game the above ad campaign was for.
its funny people bring up Too Human and Spore and other types of games that had long development times. The difference between this and those games is the fact that they are all original games and concepts. Their development has completely original ideas and no set design. If Duke Nukem Forever is anywhere near as interesting in concept as either these two titles (and in spores case as progressive) I'll admit I was wrong.
Duke Nukem Forever will be a shooter. It will have Pig Cops and a hero named Duke. They don't have to test out what Duke will look like to see if people like his design. This means that they already have an idea of what the game is. that takes out some of the development time.
Duke Nukem Forever will be a shooter. It will have Pig Cops and a hero named Duke. They don't have to test out what Duke will look like to see if people like his design. This means that they already have an idea of what the game is. that takes out some of the development time.
You can't always force art out on a deadline.
Sometimes you have to struggle.
I would rather have them delay it until the end of time rather than release a sub-standard game that would tarnish the name of a classic.
Sometimes you have to struggle.
I would rather have them delay it until the end of time rather than release a sub-standard game that would tarnish the name of a classic.
@ TheRemedy:
Just to be clear, spore hasn't been in real production for 8 years, I used to work at maxis and it only went into full production 3 years ago. And I think Prey is a bad example, because while it was a fun game, it wasn't 10 years of development fun. That same game could have been churned out in 3 to 4 years by a good studio and still be just as good. This Duke Nukem crap is straight retarded, and they treat fans like you like crap.
Just to be clear, spore hasn't been in real production for 8 years, I used to work at maxis and it only went into full production 3 years ago. And I think Prey is a bad example, because while it was a fun game, it wasn't 10 years of development fun. That same game could have been churned out in 3 to 4 years by a good studio and still be just as good. This Duke Nukem crap is straight retarded, and they treat fans like you like crap.
@Manasteel
What about the 10 year development cycle for Team Fortress 2?
I remember seeing screenshots for that thing in Issues of PC Accelerator , but nobody's seemed to mind when that finally came out. Matter of fact, it's a pretty big title. Just like DNF, it was a sequel and already had an established concept.
All I see here is a game that's privately funded, that's run into quite a few roadblocks such as complications with the game engines they were using (too human comes to mind, except it's happened thrice with DNF), Trading hands with Publishers, and a few minigames of 'scrap and restart' (Remember Resident Evil 2?). Daikatana was pretty much rushed in development and that turned to be a heinous crime of extreme ass. TF2 had a long development cycle and it's a very popular game. I can only hope that the same can be said for DNF, and even if it lives up to a quarter of the hype it should be enough to be an excellent game.
What about the 10 year development cycle for Team Fortress 2?
I remember seeing screenshots for that thing in Issues of PC Accelerator , but nobody's seemed to mind when that finally came out. Matter of fact, it's a pretty big title. Just like DNF, it was a sequel and already had an established concept.
All I see here is a game that's privately funded, that's run into quite a few roadblocks such as complications with the game engines they were using (too human comes to mind, except it's happened thrice with DNF), Trading hands with Publishers, and a few minigames of 'scrap and restart' (Remember Resident Evil 2?). Daikatana was pretty much rushed in development and that turned to be a heinous crime of extreme ass. TF2 had a long development cycle and it's a very popular game. I can only hope that the same can be said for DNF, and even if it lives up to a quarter of the hype it should be enough to be an excellent game.
People still care about Duke Nukem Forever? Even if it comes out it'll be terrible; the game looks so god damn dated. Go back to 1998 you piece of trash.
Mxyzptlk is right. There's very little excuse for a title such as this to take as long as it has, or even for it to be as anticipated as it is. It will never, NEVER be as good as anyone hopes it will be. Frankly, I just wish the world would forget about this inevitable piece of shit. We're giving the developers far more credit than their actions deserve.
@Brad
Dude, I'm loving your writings. I'm a hard one to win over, too. :) Keep it up.
@Brad
Dude, I'm loving your writings. I'm a hard one to win over, too. :) Keep it up.
They should have canceled this game a long time ago. There is no way that it's going to live up to the hype now.
What hype? Almost everyone expects it to suck at this point
The reason why the developers had no idea E3 was coming is because all their clocks are broken. Duh.
The reason why the developers had no idea E3 was coming is because all their clocks are broken. Duh.
Isn't E3 meaningless now? I know I certainly don't care.
And how can I get a job "developing" Duke Nukem Forever? Do they want a portfolio and shit or do I just have to show them my passion and they'll let me slide on the talent test? Because that DNF development blackhole sounds like the perfect job.
And how can I get a job "developing" Duke Nukem Forever? Do they want a portfolio and shit or do I just have to show them my passion and they'll let me slide on the talent test? Because that DNF development blackhole sounds like the perfect job.
Like I said before, if it has a plethora of weapons, levels, aliens, babes, cheesy catchphrases ripped from evil dead and Duke kicking some alien scums ass, then it will be enough to make the wait worth while.
This whole rant is pretty lame. Why should anyone be 'waiting' for, of all games, Duke Nukem Forever?
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