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Thank you for writing this! These are my feelings exactly, and I was beginning to feel alone as I watch gamers and feminists alike rage about this game.
Holy shit what a great feature. THIS is how to approach sexism in games. This right here. Damn happy to have read that.
The comment that one of the developers made about the player wanting to "protect her" were certainly not helping their case. Maybe it was out of context, I don't know.
"Ms. Croft was created primarily to make boners."
No, in fact, Toby Gard (the creator of Lara and the original game's story) left Core because of them wanting to make her into that. He wanted to create a female heroine largely inspired by his sister, Frances.
Just wanted to correct that.
No, in fact, Toby Gard (the creator of Lara and the original game's story) left Core because of them wanting to make her into that. He wanted to create a female heroine largely inspired by his sister, Frances.
Just wanted to correct that.
As a gamer, I just want to know how any of this controversy gets me laid, and what I have to say to impress females enough to make that happen.
@Smackybutts Just go the nearest highway underpass, soup kitchen, etc. and yell "who's up for some serious boning?" Works for me every time.
Something on Dtoid NOT blatantly pandering to this weeks ridiculous "contraversy"? Well blow me down. Nice job.
Gamers and the gaming media are still pretty sexist though. "They're doing mean things to a WOMAN!? But everyone knows women can't handle shit like men can, only males are allowed to get raped and tortured in games! CONTRAVERSY!!!"
This whole thing has left me seriously bitter at a lot of sites to be honest. This one and the PA Report in particular. Only Edge has kept it legit up to this point, but that's because they're fucking awesome. This article has redeemed this site a little for me to be honest.
Also, this game is looking like the only TR game I'm actually going to buy.
Gamers and the gaming media are still pretty sexist though. "They're doing mean things to a WOMAN!? But everyone knows women can't handle shit like men can, only males are allowed to get raped and tortured in games! CONTRAVERSY!!!"
This whole thing has left me seriously bitter at a lot of sites to be honest. This one and the PA Report in particular. Only Edge has kept it legit up to this point, but that's because they're fucking awesome. This article has redeemed this site a little for me to be honest.
Also, this game is looking like the only TR game I'm actually going to buy.
I too hope this is all due to a PR and marketing disaster and the actual game turns out to be something we can all appreciate.
I take issue with the game for the same reason I take issue with the Star Wars prequels; namely that no one asked for them. We don't need to know why Lara is this invincible badass, she just is, and to go back to a time when she wasn't is to fundamentally change the character by examining the person they WERE not the person that they ARE. Furthermore, while this isn't a problem for me, I think a lot of folks see the specter of Other M in this game. Fortunately the writers sound a lot smarter than Team Ninja (whose games, let's face it are pretty dumb and schizophrenic in the plot department), so I'm pretty optimistic that they'll treat the property with respect.
That said, tying this to an established character rather than introducing a new Tomb Raider (especially since the last game in the series was called "Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light"), is something of a misstep. Where another character might be empowered by starting at rock bottom and clawing her way to the top, for Lara, it feels like a downgrade.
Finally, there's a bit of logic in this article that I just don't get. You talk about how we shouldn't judge Lara by weakness in her past. That would make sense if she's real, but she isn't. It's the writers in this game making her weak. People aren't pissed off at the character as a whole, they're pissed off at what they see as a corruption of a classic character. And again, we probably have Other M to thank for that sentiment.
That said, tying this to an established character rather than introducing a new Tomb Raider (especially since the last game in the series was called "Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light"), is something of a misstep. Where another character might be empowered by starting at rock bottom and clawing her way to the top, for Lara, it feels like a downgrade.
Finally, there's a bit of logic in this article that I just don't get. You talk about how we shouldn't judge Lara by weakness in her past. That would make sense if she's real, but she isn't. It's the writers in this game making her weak. People aren't pissed off at the character as a whole, they're pissed off at what they see as a corruption of a classic character. And again, we probably have Other M to thank for that sentiment.
If only they had framed the story differently in interviews. Something like "We all know and love Sarah Connor in Terminator 2. She's tough as nails and doesn't take crap from anyone. And we love that about her because she made the transition between Terminator 1 and Terminator 2. From being a woman who almost threw up at the sight of blood, to a kick ass heroine we all love. It takes some pretty brutal experiences to turn into that person, and that's what we're doing in this game. Lara wasn't born knowing how to do all these amazing things. We're showing the formative process. What has she endured to make her into the Tomb Raider? Now you can find out."
I think her vunerability is perfectly fine in this game when you realise its a prequel specifically made to show how she got strong in the first place
@BomberJacket I think sometimes gamers have a hard time with change, and that might explain why they don't appreciate the backstory. And I guess my greater point was, the writers don't strike me as a group that made her "weaker" because of some fantasy in seeing her without power, but instead to provide a richer character experience because they love her as a character. That's what I wanted to get across.
"We talk so much about wanting games to grow up and feature the female perspective, and yet we shy away from the one experience that nearly all of us share. And why? Because it's too real?"
I keep coming back to this. We want games to have respect, we want them to grow up and tell real stories, but as soon as one does it's attacked from all sides. I think Crystal Dynamics could have handle it a little better for the record, it is pretty bad that's basically a soundbite that makes it sound like Rape is a selling point of the game. But at least they're trying to tell a mature story that deals with -real- shit, not space invaders and dragons.
I keep coming back to this. We want games to have respect, we want them to grow up and tell real stories, but as soon as one does it's attacked from all sides. I think Crystal Dynamics could have handle it a little better for the record, it is pretty bad that's basically a soundbite that makes it sound like Rape is a selling point of the game. But at least they're trying to tell a mature story that deals with -real- shit, not space invaders and dragons.
Yeah, glad to see someone who isn't automatically and completely opposed to anything slightly controversial. Some good points here.
@BomberJacket
Nothing will ever change the Lara that exists in the previous Tomb Raider games, in the same way nothing will ever change the story of the original three Star Wars films.
The problem with prequels is that they have to be done right. If you ask me, learning the backstory of how Darth Vader became Darth Vader and what happened with the mythical Jedi that Luke learned about could have been extremely fascinating and enjoyable. But the Star Wars prequels sucked mostly due to poor writing and directing. Similarly, Other M did not ruin Samus as the character we know and love and it did not ruin the Metroid series.
Learning about how a character we love became who they are is actually something a lot of people find interesting. To simply say "this character was always just as super warrior from birth" is lazy and uninteresting. Are the games where you play a warrior fun? Sure. Do you have to care about what the character was like before? No. But to attempt to examine and present that period of time in that character's life should not be shunned. We should encourage that prequel stories are done with care and not have a bunch of Jar-Jars, but even if the prequel sucks, you can still just ignore it if you want and play the games you do love.
Nothing will ever change the Lara that exists in the previous Tomb Raider games, in the same way nothing will ever change the story of the original three Star Wars films.
The problem with prequels is that they have to be done right. If you ask me, learning the backstory of how Darth Vader became Darth Vader and what happened with the mythical Jedi that Luke learned about could have been extremely fascinating and enjoyable. But the Star Wars prequels sucked mostly due to poor writing and directing. Similarly, Other M did not ruin Samus as the character we know and love and it did not ruin the Metroid series.
Learning about how a character we love became who they are is actually something a lot of people find interesting. To simply say "this character was always just as super warrior from birth" is lazy and uninteresting. Are the games where you play a warrior fun? Sure. Do you have to care about what the character was like before? No. But to attempt to examine and present that period of time in that character's life should not be shunned. We should encourage that prequel stories are done with care and not have a bunch of Jar-Jars, but even if the prequel sucks, you can still just ignore it if you want and play the games you do love.
This sort of reminds me about people who said Crisis Core:FFVII "weakened" Sephiroth. CC showed him as a man who had friends and was a bit spoiled by his status and abilities. He'd pawn off work to others to attend to other interest. Then when he discovered the nature of his origin, that his life or privilege was a lie he gradually loses his sanity.
Apparently it's just more "badass" to have the "one bad day" rather than a more realistic psychotic breakdown (well talking psychologically here, not using magic to burn down a village, impaling your friend and decapitating you lr evil mother to keep her close to you).
Gamers in general have a really dumb concept of "badass" that no character, no matter how well-written, can avoid.
Apparently it's just more "badass" to have the "one bad day" rather than a more realistic psychotic breakdown (well talking psychologically here, not using magic to burn down a village, impaling your friend and decapitating you lr evil mother to keep her close to you).
Gamers in general have a really dumb concept of "badass" that no character, no matter how well-written, can avoid.
Okay, finished reading. (Long almost off-topic read incoming)
First of... Why have people decided we didn't know Lara's past? I speaking about the last part of this post, I've seen it many times these last weeks and it's just incorrect.
There was a game called Tomb Raider: Chronicles, it specifically was about Lara Croft getting into what she was doing in the previous games, because we got to play as Lara as a little kid as she got used to this stuff. Why doesn't that count any more?
But I'm gonna leave this out of the discussion for now to explain my non-sexual-assault related issues with this game, as people seem to forget there were other reasons some long-term fans were angry about the game.
Most of it is the names. Tomb Raider and Lara Croft.
No matter how you try to spin it, this has nothing to do with either of these two things. Lara is not the same girl we once played as, she's has a different origin story (not just A origin story), different looks, different concept overall.
It's like if someone tried to pass off Nathan Drake as Indiana Jones and say "Oh, it's just a re-imagination", it doesn't work like that, there needs to be something more than "She's a girl and named Lara" that relates her to whatever we knew as Lara. They really could have just said that this is a new character, there's no reason for her to be called Lara outside of cashing in on Lara's name.
And then of course it's the Tomb Raider part of it. It doesn't play like Tomb Raider, it doesn't look like Tomb Raider and it sure as hell doesn't share the concept. This seems to be set in reality to begin with, and as people might remember, Lara fought skeletons and stuff in the old Tomb Raider games. Once again it becomes a case of using a name for something completely different.
I'd like to point to the backlash of XCOM (The FPS Game) when it was shown. It bore not connection to what X-Com was aside from the name and some vague claims that it was "a origin story" despite not syncing up with the original. People got pissed, the game could have been called ANTYHING else, but they had to pick the name XCOM that didn't make sense since it wasn't a FPS set in the X-Com world or a evolution of the genre that X-Com was set in, it was just a FPS with aliens.
There's just no point in calling it Tomb Raider, it might still be a good game, but it's still kind of insulting to those that liked Tomb Raider as it was. Not to mention we just got a reboot 6 years ago that was praised for reviving the series, but everyone just forgot about that.
However.
With that said, this was a good read. It has not changed my mind the issue you talked about, but I don't think it will change anyones mind that has been set. But I'm glad you're looking forward to the game and I hope you enjoy it as it looks like a pretty decent game overall.
The reason I wrote this long post about OTHER issues is because this "controversy" was just the drip that caused my glass of water to pour over, not my entire problem, which a lot of people seem to think it was.
First of... Why have people decided we didn't know Lara's past? I speaking about the last part of this post, I've seen it many times these last weeks and it's just incorrect.
There was a game called Tomb Raider: Chronicles, it specifically was about Lara Croft getting into what she was doing in the previous games, because we got to play as Lara as a little kid as she got used to this stuff. Why doesn't that count any more?
But I'm gonna leave this out of the discussion for now to explain my non-sexual-assault related issues with this game, as people seem to forget there were other reasons some long-term fans were angry about the game.
Most of it is the names. Tomb Raider and Lara Croft.
No matter how you try to spin it, this has nothing to do with either of these two things. Lara is not the same girl we once played as, she's has a different origin story (not just A origin story), different looks, different concept overall.
It's like if someone tried to pass off Nathan Drake as Indiana Jones and say "Oh, it's just a re-imagination", it doesn't work like that, there needs to be something more than "She's a girl and named Lara" that relates her to whatever we knew as Lara. They really could have just said that this is a new character, there's no reason for her to be called Lara outside of cashing in on Lara's name.
And then of course it's the Tomb Raider part of it. It doesn't play like Tomb Raider, it doesn't look like Tomb Raider and it sure as hell doesn't share the concept. This seems to be set in reality to begin with, and as people might remember, Lara fought skeletons and stuff in the old Tomb Raider games. Once again it becomes a case of using a name for something completely different.
I'd like to point to the backlash of XCOM (The FPS Game) when it was shown. It bore not connection to what X-Com was aside from the name and some vague claims that it was "a origin story" despite not syncing up with the original. People got pissed, the game could have been called ANTYHING else, but they had to pick the name XCOM that didn't make sense since it wasn't a FPS set in the X-Com world or a evolution of the genre that X-Com was set in, it was just a FPS with aliens.
There's just no point in calling it Tomb Raider, it might still be a good game, but it's still kind of insulting to those that liked Tomb Raider as it was. Not to mention we just got a reboot 6 years ago that was praised for reviving the series, but everyone just forgot about that.
However.
With that said, this was a good read. It has not changed my mind the issue you talked about, but I don't think it will change anyones mind that has been set. But I'm glad you're looking forward to the game and I hope you enjoy it as it looks like a pretty decent game overall.
The reason I wrote this long post about OTHER issues is because this "controversy" was just the drip that caused my glass of water to pour over, not my entire problem, which a lot of people seem to think it was.
I must kindly reserve judgement until I have played the final product in its entirety.
I do still want to play it and see how Crystal Dynamics handles that topic and if it even really is something to get up in arms about, but as someone who is very close to a female friend who dealt with serious sexual abuse growing up, I'm not going to jump on championing this game just yet.
I do still want to play it and see how Crystal Dynamics handles that topic and if it even really is something to get up in arms about, but as someone who is very close to a female friend who dealt with serious sexual abuse growing up, I'm not going to jump on championing this game just yet.
My thoughts exactly. Thank you so much, Holly :) Methinks people are just desperate for controversy at the moment. More so than usual, even...
The issue was, or at least should have been, entirely about how the game is being marketed. The criticisms of the game itself are as whatever as whatever gets. The marketing, though, has been tasteless, and not only does the game a disservice, but gamers as well. I want to believe this is not how these people see us, but it seems old stereotypes die hard.
The inexperienced virgin geeks also freakednout about Metroid: Other M, which was a fantastic game, and the story was good. They complained for all the wrong reasons, just like now....
I couldnt care less about how women are portrayed, good or bad. Its all about the GAMEPLAY.
Nobody should care that much about these sorts of things, because you're only being played when you do.
I couldnt care less about how women are portrayed, good or bad. Its all about the GAMEPLAY.
Nobody should care that much about these sorts of things, because you're only being played when you do.
I agree, this whole thing was blown way out of proportion. It's just good writing and animating that tugs at your emotions.
@Casey Baker - May I suggest you and your friend stay away from The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, and in fact that whole series of remarkable books and movies. Despite the fact that it has one of the richest, most compelling female characters in anything, ever, if THIS Mickey Mouse shit makes you put your protector hat on, those will... Christ...
Just stay the fuck away from those.
That goes for anyone else who apparently is super uncomfortable with females dealing with adversity. Also Terminator movies. She gets it rough. And Alien. And Aliens. And The Bell Jar. And Harry Potter.
Just stay the fuck away from those.
That goes for anyone else who apparently is super uncomfortable with females dealing with adversity. Also Terminator movies. She gets it rough. And Alien. And Aliens. And The Bell Jar. And Harry Potter.
I'm not interested in the game because it just looks like another Uncharted, and I haven't really been following this controversy, but for some reason I read all of this. Great article!
Excellent article!!
... though I have to agree that for many of us that have played all of the Tomb Raider games, some of us feel we already know Lara and don't need a new take on her past (I actually really liked Chronicles)
I also have always perceived Lara to be a strong woman... born that way, not created that way from any incident. I'll certainly wait on the game, but I do hope that she doesn't acquire this inner strength through events or circumstances... though I have no issue with the events and circumstances leading to a more vengeful woman with a reason to kill... aside from them just being the usual guards that need dispatching. :)
... though I have to agree that for many of us that have played all of the Tomb Raider games, some of us feel we already know Lara and don't need a new take on her past (I actually really liked Chronicles)
I also have always perceived Lara to be a strong woman... born that way, not created that way from any incident. I'll certainly wait on the game, but I do hope that she doesn't acquire this inner strength through events or circumstances... though I have no issue with the events and circumstances leading to a more vengeful woman with a reason to kill... aside from them just being the usual guards that need dispatching. :)
Good article.
Honestly I had no interest in this game (ugh... Another tomb raider) but then I watched a bunch of footage yesterday and am pretty excited for it now. I think they should have left the sexual assault out of the trailer or called spoiler alerts for the reason that it would have a much bigger impact on the players emotions if they didn't know it was coming.
Honestly I had no interest in this game (ugh... Another tomb raider) but then I watched a bunch of footage yesterday and am pretty excited for it now. I think they should have left the sexual assault out of the trailer or called spoiler alerts for the reason that it would have a much bigger impact on the players emotions if they didn't know it was coming.
@Tin Man - I'm not sure if you're trying to come off "hardcore" or "above it all" though you're just coming off as incredibly naive - but as I said, I'm reserving judgement, not making an assumption. I found the marketing pretty tasteless, as did many others. Strong female characters who have faced adversity and became stronger for it is not exactly a new story to tell. I've seen The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo - at least, the original version. I've seen plenty of films and have read books that deal maturely with this issue.
I simply don't know, as pretty much all of us at this point - where the company is going with this idea, and as Holly says - It may just be a small part of the game overall anyhow. But games have come before that have tried to deal with mature issues with varying "success" and Crystal Dynamics got off on the wrong foot.
I simply don't know, as pretty much all of us at this point - where the company is going with this idea, and as Holly says - It may just be a small part of the game overall anyhow. But games have come before that have tried to deal with mature issues with varying "success" and Crystal Dynamics got off on the wrong foot.
@Elsa - Not being a dick, but hasn't Laras backstory always been that she was a rich girl, with an archeologist dad, who had a plane crash in the himalayas and she needed to push herself to survive and then became Tomb Raider? I've only played the first one, and it was actually when it came out that I played it, but yeah, wasn't her background something like that? Survivor, beaten into toughness?
So surely this game is just a slight variation on existing canon and then fleshing it out?
I'm not being funny either, this is honestly a bit of a sticking point for me. People commonly say that she never needed this backstory, despite her always having had a similar one(to my knowledge).
So surely this game is just a slight variation on existing canon and then fleshing it out?
I'm not being funny either, this is honestly a bit of a sticking point for me. People commonly say that she never needed this backstory, despite her always having had a similar one(to my knowledge).
Great article. I genuinely cannot believe the backlash this game has gotten so far. Of course an untrained 21 year old fresh out of university would be emotionally and physically weak after going through what Lara goes through, regardless of gender. I like the vulnerable aspect of her character, it makes her more real and relatable. she's not Nathan Drake, she can't just kill hundreds of people and act like nothing happened.
@Boxhead333 a huge part of the problem is that we would view emotional vulnerability as some kind of negative. In my experience it takes a lot more courage to admit when something is wrong that it does to pretend everything is fine...especially when pride and machismo are brought into the mix.
@Tin Man interesting point
@Tin Man interesting point
@Casey - Not trying to come off as anything. This seems to have bothered you enough that you felt the need to bring up a friend of yours who suffered "serious sexual abuse as a child". And if a few seconds of Lara getting felt up brought that out in you, I dread to think what a detailed and difficult to read description of Lisbeths ordeal with Bjurman might have done. I was concerned brah.
Also, I don't see how you thought I was naive, but I guess people read things differently... Although I gotta keep it real, if you wanna talk about inexperienced and childish oopsies, I have to admit, if one of my friends went through what yours went through, and that friend saw me posting her shit up willy-nilly on the comments section of a gaming site, I doubt that friend would appreciate it.
Also, I don't see how you thought I was naive, but I guess people read things differently... Although I gotta keep it real, if you wanna talk about inexperienced and childish oopsies, I have to admit, if one of my friends went through what yours went through, and that friend saw me posting her shit up willy-nilly on the comments section of a gaming site, I doubt that friend would appreciate it.
A well written article, that gives both sides of the argument, isn't inherently negative and backs up everything said with sound reason and research? YES! YESSSS! YOU ARE THE BESTIEST!
...My view on the whole thing is that the common phrase goes along the lines of "Bravery is not the lack of fear, but the willingness to face it". Lara appears to be very, very willing to face her fears from what I've seen, and if the developers didn't make it tackle these issues, they wouldn't be able to make it a believable or effective portrayal of her facing these issues head on.
It's been a pet peeve of mine in recent games. 'Female empowerment' in gaming has never really been done in a natural way that didn't seem utterly forced, beyond characters like Alyx Vance and Jade (BG&E) who only occasionally get shown being strong in situations where they would, quite reasonably, be afraid.
Lara ~is~ afraid, but isn't just avoiding it, or 'manning up' to take it on. That? That's real empowerment, in a way that isn't forced, or unbelievable. And that's why I'm interested in a Tomb Raider game for the first time.
...My view on the whole thing is that the common phrase goes along the lines of "Bravery is not the lack of fear, but the willingness to face it". Lara appears to be very, very willing to face her fears from what I've seen, and if the developers didn't make it tackle these issues, they wouldn't be able to make it a believable or effective portrayal of her facing these issues head on.
It's been a pet peeve of mine in recent games. 'Female empowerment' in gaming has never really been done in a natural way that didn't seem utterly forced, beyond characters like Alyx Vance and Jade (BG&E) who only occasionally get shown being strong in situations where they would, quite reasonably, be afraid.
Lara ~is~ afraid, but isn't just avoiding it, or 'manning up' to take it on. That? That's real empowerment, in a way that isn't forced, or unbelievable. And that's why I'm interested in a Tomb Raider game for the first time.
Maybe most people view video games as a means to escape reality so having Lara go through these situations makes it harder to escape?
It was a great read and all, and good to see that you interviewed them about this whole affair, but:
"We talk so much about wanting games to grow up and feature the female perspective, and yet we shy away from the one experience that nearly all of us share. And why? Because it's too real?"
"Instead I would like to see a positive atmosphere fostered where these topics can be discussed without grabbing the torch and pitchfork"
And of course, a Chris Crocker image, amongst other bits here and there.
Now that's quite the unfair backhand to people who took issue with the game. Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that there are people who got unreasonably upset over the fact that rape was even mentioned, but not everyone who has objected to the game is like that.
A lot of the people objecting did it because going by what we'd seen and the interview with executive producer Ron Rosenberg in particular (go look that up and tell me it doesn't across as creepy. "She's a cornered animal" coming right after the line about rape, for one), it really seemed like Crystal Dynamics didn't know what the hell they were doing with it.
Yes, it quickly escalated from there and people got out of hand about it, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a legitimate reason to object. Throughout this entire post, you never address that directly and dismiss it offhand with "It doesn't sound sexual to me" and the like, never giving the other side a fair shake. Even Jim managed that, and he spends his days mocking and trolling.
Back to the article's good points, I'm sorry to hear that you're a victim of sexual assault, and it's good that you gave that perspective on this issue as it's one that hasn't been addressed. I'm convinced now that this came out of a PR disaster for the game (again, that Rosenberg interview basically gave a spark to the concerns over the trailer), but it's good that CD do mean well and are trying their best to handle it with care.
Just don't let Rosenberg open his mouth again, eh?
"We talk so much about wanting games to grow up and feature the female perspective, and yet we shy away from the one experience that nearly all of us share. And why? Because it's too real?"
"Instead I would like to see a positive atmosphere fostered where these topics can be discussed without grabbing the torch and pitchfork"
And of course, a Chris Crocker image, amongst other bits here and there.
Now that's quite the unfair backhand to people who took issue with the game. Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that there are people who got unreasonably upset over the fact that rape was even mentioned, but not everyone who has objected to the game is like that.
A lot of the people objecting did it because going by what we'd seen and the interview with executive producer Ron Rosenberg in particular (go look that up and tell me it doesn't across as creepy. "She's a cornered animal" coming right after the line about rape, for one), it really seemed like Crystal Dynamics didn't know what the hell they were doing with it.
Yes, it quickly escalated from there and people got out of hand about it, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a legitimate reason to object. Throughout this entire post, you never address that directly and dismiss it offhand with "It doesn't sound sexual to me" and the like, never giving the other side a fair shake. Even Jim managed that, and he spends his days mocking and trolling.
Back to the article's good points, I'm sorry to hear that you're a victim of sexual assault, and it's good that you gave that perspective on this issue as it's one that hasn't been addressed. I'm convinced now that this came out of a PR disaster for the game (again, that Rosenberg interview basically gave a spark to the concerns over the trailer), but it's good that CD do mean well and are trying their best to handle it with care.
Just don't let Rosenberg open his mouth again, eh?
@Tin Man - This is where I *headdesk* because she's not an anecdote that I just immediately think of whenever anyone talks about that issue, she's an active part of my life still and has generally been pretty forthright about the past, it's certainly shaped her life. This is where I perceive your naïveté, you seem to believe that when someone's victimized in real life, they can't become an actually strong person and instead are just an anecdote and such a tragedy, or some such ridiculousness. That comment about my supposed "oopsies" proves an incredibly naive point of view on the matter.
I'm obviously not going to divulge anything beyond stating what I have already, and the main take away that you fail to grasp is that I simply hope that Crystal Dynamics doesn't trivialize a pretty serious issue in an attempt to make their character seem like one that men will "want to protect."
I'm obviously not going to divulge anything beyond stating what I have already, and the main take away that you fail to grasp is that I simply hope that Crystal Dynamics doesn't trivialize a pretty serious issue in an attempt to make their character seem like one that men will "want to protect."
@Corey - Thanks for that. That's a video series I'll chuck a few quid in to support come pay day. Provactive title, but THAT is a thing I've not seen discussed seriously before.
@Ms Green - Thank you =] *blushs*
@Havoc - I feel exactly the same. Preach brother.
@Flamingboar - Respectfully, if everybody thought like that, I doubt gaming have gone much further then the childish pasttime it used to be and would have gone beyond Mario and Tetris. I'm very glad there are people that make games that don't think like that.
@Ms Green - Thank you =] *blushs*
@Havoc - I feel exactly the same. Preach brother.
@Flamingboar - Respectfully, if everybody thought like that, I doubt gaming have gone much further then the childish pasttime it used to be and would have gone beyond Mario and Tetris. I'm very glad there are people that make games that don't think like that.
@Gilgamesh - Yeah, I really didn't appreciate the use of the Chris Crocker image either. It felt pretty backhanded for what it was trying to express, and also wrong-headed.
"we needed a motivator for her. What does someone have to go through to change them into that person?"
Apparently for women they need to get raped? That just doesn't work for me, sorry. I don't agree.
Apparently for women they need to get raped? That just doesn't work for me, sorry. I don't agree.
I dont see why people are upset about this at all. Seriously, have none of these people ever watched an episode of law and order. Or ever read a book.
It's completely ridiculous.
It's completely ridiculous.
@Casey - I wasn't perceiving anything, I was being honest. If I was posting the extremely personal matters of my friends online for no reason and with no provocation, they'd be pissed. If yours wouldn't be, cool. It's a mistake I've seen people make many a time.
Also, lol you aren't going to divulge anything other then casually chucking out horrible details from her past? Well damn, I was kind of hoping you were going to tell us what her favourite food was and whether she had any fillings...
And since this is a gaming comments, let me bring it back a notch - All I would take away, is why would wanting to protect our character(and therefore ourselves) be a negative? Games have been trying to manipulate us to want to get revenge and protect princesses since their inception, now one comes along that wants us to not save the girl, but get her to save herself, via actual motivation and realisation of her struggle. And this is a Bad Thing? I don't get gamers sometimes...
Also, lol you aren't going to divulge anything other then casually chucking out horrible details from her past? Well damn, I was kind of hoping you were going to tell us what her favourite food was and whether she had any fillings...
And since this is a gaming comments, let me bring it back a notch - All I would take away, is why would wanting to protect our character(and therefore ourselves) be a negative? Games have been trying to manipulate us to want to get revenge and protect princesses since their inception, now one comes along that wants us to not save the girl, but get her to save herself, via actual motivation and realisation of her struggle. And this is a Bad Thing? I don't get gamers sometimes...
Im sorry but the more I think about this, the more it irritates me. Do thESE people even live in the real world? God forbid anyone try to tell a story in a game with situations that, you know, actually have happened in real life.
The people who get so worked up about this stuff are probably the same people who would get irritated and picket over a female character in the Sims making themselves food in the kitchen.
The people who get so worked up about this stuff are probably the same people who would get irritated and picket over a female character in the Sims making themselves food in the kitchen.
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