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I'd say Fallout, despite the one on the PS2. Other than that, every game in the series has been stellar.
Blizzard games would make it too, I think, like Diablo, Starcraft and the Warcraft trilogy. Trying to think of a few others... GTA, Halo (I liked Halo Wars, sue me), Half-Life, The Elder Scrolls, Sly Cooper, Total War, Civ, Mario... I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can think of. I've never been the biggest fan of Metal Gear, so I obviously can't say that it's the best.
Blizzard games would make it too, I think, like Diablo, Starcraft and the Warcraft trilogy. Trying to think of a few others... GTA, Halo (I liked Halo Wars, sue me), Half-Life, The Elder Scrolls, Sly Cooper, Total War, Civ, Mario... I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can think of. I've never been the biggest fan of Metal Gear, so I obviously can't say that it's the best.
I have to agree with the others that it is silly to discount Uncharted and particularly God of War. God of War is seven years old, started on the PS2, has five different titles on three different Sony systems, and has a main character that has since guest starred in multiple other games.
I'm not sure why you mentioned Pikmin at all. Forget it being "relatively new", as being over a decade old should discount that argument. Rather, with a grand total of *two* games, it isn't even fair to consider it in a "consistently great" contest.
For others mentioning Call of Duty, even if you like the franchise, it hasn't been consistent. For one thing, there is the Infinity Ward/Treyarch divide, which does split opinions. For another, there is the trainwreck that is Modern Warfare 3 (aka Infinity Ward's reanimated carcass, or the start of Sledgehammer/Raven as CoD devs).
As for Metal Gear itself, it *is* fairly consistent, but I don't know that I'd call it consistently great. Some of the things it is consistent in are poor writing and an over-reliance on its story.
I'm not sure why you mentioned Pikmin at all. Forget it being "relatively new", as being over a decade old should discount that argument. Rather, with a grand total of *two* games, it isn't even fair to consider it in a "consistently great" contest.
For others mentioning Call of Duty, even if you like the franchise, it hasn't been consistent. For one thing, there is the Infinity Ward/Treyarch divide, which does split opinions. For another, there is the trainwreck that is Modern Warfare 3 (aka Infinity Ward's reanimated carcass, or the start of Sledgehammer/Raven as CoD devs).
As for Metal Gear itself, it *is* fairly consistent, but I don't know that I'd call it consistently great. Some of the things it is consistent in are poor writing and an over-reliance on its story.
Damn near all of them i love (mgs3d dont count). Its hard even for me to tell which MGS i love the most. As for other series that match MGS's greatness
Mario main games
Fucking kirby
Gradius
Donkey kong
And so on blablabla
I hope MGS5 has Big Boss, Gray Fox, and Miller. There they go to africa to set up THE outer heaven. Then the wacky shenanigans begin.
Mario main games
Fucking kirby
Gradius
Donkey kong
And so on blablabla
I hope MGS5 has Big Boss, Gray Fox, and Miller. There they go to africa to set up THE outer heaven. Then the wacky shenanigans begin.
Max Payne.
The Elder Scrolls games have been good, even if they are getting simpler and simpler. The next one might suck, it won't have any RPG elements.
The Elder Scrolls games have been good, even if they are getting simpler and simpler. The next one might suck, it won't have any RPG elements.
Another vote for Shin Megami Tensei! Playing the Aeon Genesis translation of SMT II at the moment and it's a game that's aged VERY well. That and Nocturne/Lucifers Call recently beat out The World Ends With You to become my new favourite game! Each subseries has its own unique quirks but the core of the series remains: Dungeon crawling, beautiful demon designs based on mythological characters and the apocalypse! Always the apocalypse! XD
When you've spent many hours growing to love a race of characters for all of their flawed affable charm and then you see someone commit their genocide mostly just to prove a point then you've known true sorrow...
Plus, as an atheist who enjoys mythology, it's always funny to know that Yahweh is portrayed (accurately) as the worst villain imaginable!
When you've spent many hours growing to love a race of characters for all of their flawed affable charm and then you see someone commit their genocide mostly just to prove a point then you've known true sorrow...
Plus, as an atheist who enjoys mythology, it's always funny to know that Yahweh is portrayed (accurately) as the worst villain imaginable!
Castlevania? No way in hell, 64, most of the gameboy games, harmony of dissonance and the PS2 ones even were nothing great.
I'd say Halo, Uncharted, MGS(probably, although i didnt like portable ops)
I'd say Halo, Uncharted, MGS(probably, although i didnt like portable ops)
Going to have to go with Dragon Quest. As someone else already pointed out, at the time of their original release, they were all great.
I would have said Metroid, but then Other M happened and shot that to hell. I bet we won't see a new Metroid title for another 3-4 years because of it.
All the Metal Gear haters need to fuck off. ESPECIALLY the people who shit on MGS4 for having too many cutscenes. Oh noes, my piece of interactive entertainment must be 100% playable, because there's no way that an engaging story can ever be told through cutscenes. I hate all movies.
Anyway. As far as Zelda is concerned, Wind Waker was shit. That thing is a spin off as far as I'm concerned, as is The Adventure of Link. Beyond that, pretty quality series. I'd narrow down the "Mario Series" to Super Mario if you want to be more specific. In that case, if we can just forget New Super Mario, the series is golden. Beyond that, most series are too short to be considered for this. Three or fewer games is barely a series.
I was about to say Half Life, but I forgot about Blue Shift and Decay. Damn. This is tough.
Anyway. As far as Zelda is concerned, Wind Waker was shit. That thing is a spin off as far as I'm concerned, as is The Adventure of Link. Beyond that, pretty quality series. I'd narrow down the "Mario Series" to Super Mario if you want to be more specific. In that case, if we can just forget New Super Mario, the series is golden. Beyond that, most series are too short to be considered for this. Three or fewer games is barely a series.
I was about to say Half Life, but I forgot about Blue Shift and Decay. Damn. This is tough.
Know what's also almost twenty years old? FIFA. And it's got more titles in its series. It's also probably more enjoyable than the MGS series over all. So yes, in terms of most consistently great series I'll have to go with sports games. Which I never play. Am I missing out? No. The question is too general to be of any value to anybody.
The Zelda series (excluding the CDI monstrosities)
Ratchet and/or Clank (depending on the game)
Everything else I can think of either has too few entries to qualify or has off-shoots that completely ruin what the original series is trying to accomplish. Mario is almost entirely made of dumb offshoots and revels in the fact that he's a caricature. Metroid has Other M. Resident Evil has the Umbrella Chronicles and other FPS misfires. I didn't care for the Metal Gear Acid experiments, but even the core games don't do a great job of balancing narrative with gameplay. All of the 3D Castlevania games up until Lords of Shadow were crap. There aren't that many other series' that have been around long enough to become established without falling on their faces in the process.
Ratchet and/or Clank (depending on the game)
Everything else I can think of either has too few entries to qualify or has off-shoots that completely ruin what the original series is trying to accomplish. Mario is almost entirely made of dumb offshoots and revels in the fact that he's a caricature. Metroid has Other M. Resident Evil has the Umbrella Chronicles and other FPS misfires. I didn't care for the Metal Gear Acid experiments, but even the core games don't do a great job of balancing narrative with gameplay. All of the 3D Castlevania games up until Lords of Shadow were crap. There aren't that many other series' that have been around long enough to become established without falling on their faces in the process.
I'd probably agree. Heck, whilst the commentators are bashing MGS2 and 4 both these games have still been revered as greats by critics and many players alike.
MGS3 was and still is the best, probably the most overlooked though to be honest, MGS1 was the first PS1 game, MGS2 was the first PS2 game and MGS4 was the first PS3 game in the franchise. Plus the first two hours of MGS3 are pretty bad so I think that turned people off. After that though its probably the greatest game ever. Mark that with my love for MGS1 and 2, 4 was pretty good too and you've got some great games and very different ones. (unlike zelda or even mario)
MGS3 was and still is the best, probably the most overlooked though to be honest, MGS1 was the first PS1 game, MGS2 was the first PS2 game and MGS4 was the first PS3 game in the franchise. Plus the first two hours of MGS3 are pretty bad so I think that turned people off. After that though its probably the greatest game ever. Mark that with my love for MGS1 and 2, 4 was pretty good too and you've got some great games and very different ones. (unlike zelda or even mario)
Plus whats even more incredible is the fact that the series narrative has been in continuation, literally for the past 25 years. A storyline that has gone on for 25 years is incredible. I think maybe Metroid might be closest but at the Prime games could have been filler (the stories hardly existed in those games)
Chad you have to set a mInimum number of games and time frame.
I would say Mario since even most of the spin-offs are at least competent. Given how long it has been around and how consistently gold the series has been, it may be a boring choice but I think it fits.
I would say Mario since even most of the spin-offs are at least competent. Given how long it has been around and how consistently gold the series has been, it may be a boring choice but I think it fits.
Yah I agree. I dont consider the spin offs in the Metal Gear series. But its my fav series of all time.
Metal Gear is indeed the greatest series ever made. Every single game is great. Ah, you might not like MGS2, MGS4, AC!D (what's wrong with you?!) and that is okay. No really, it's okay. But remember, it says more about you than about the games.
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You've got some good picks but I'd leave Fire Emblem off because of Shadow Dragon. Advanced Wars is still good though (and hopefully we'll see a new one on either 3DS or Wii U).
I'd say Ghost Recon, MGS, Elder Scrolls, Zelda, Advanced Wars, Max Payne, Mario Kart, and Warcraft are all solid entries.
You've got some good picks but I'd leave Fire Emblem off because of Shadow Dragon. Advanced Wars is still good though (and hopefully we'll see a new one on either 3DS or Wii U).
I'd say Ghost Recon, MGS, Elder Scrolls, Zelda, Advanced Wars, Max Payne, Mario Kart, and Warcraft are all solid entries.
My vote is for Civilization - five beyond-excellent main games, dozens of great (and a few ok) expansions and spinoffs, and Alpha Centauri. Metal Gear just can't compare.
I have lots of favorite series, but I acknowledge the long-running dominance of Metroid, through 4 main titles (1/ZM, 2, Super, Fusion), 3 titles in Prime, and I fucking LOVED Other M.
Metal Gear is excellent, no question for me. Uncharted has been great, Assassin's Creed's console entries are always fun, fighting games like Tekken are consistently great. But Metroid stands out for its tenure, number of entries, and variety in its series while maintaining a high bar of quality.
Metal Gear is excellent, no question for me. Uncharted has been great, Assassin's Creed's console entries are always fun, fighting games like Tekken are consistently great. But Metroid stands out for its tenure, number of entries, and variety in its series while maintaining a high bar of quality.
The "Kill the Past" series.
Twilight Syndrome
Moonlight Syndrome
The Silver Case
Flower, Sun, and Rain
Killer 7
Well, the games are consistently Suda51 anyways... :)
Twilight Syndrome
Moonlight Syndrome
The Silver Case
Flower, Sun, and Rain
Killer 7
Well, the games are consistently Suda51 anyways... :)
How about Blizzard's *Craft series? Warcraft, Warcraft II, Warcraft III, Starcraft, Starcraft II, and World of Warcraft are all great games.
I was going to be surprised that nobody said The Elder Scrolls and then somebody said it.
It's really hard to name a Nintendo franchise because then you have to define what is included in the "series" since they have so many games. Not including Nintendo, I'd probably go with Halo. I've never been disappointed with a Halo game and there's only six of them so far.
It's really hard to name a Nintendo franchise because then you have to define what is included in the "series" since they have so many games. Not including Nintendo, I'd probably go with Halo. I've never been disappointed with a Halo game and there's only six of them so far.
MGS2 was not great. The change in protagonist they pulled was not cool, not to mention it was that game that started the Dan Brown-ization of the story.
MGS4 was good until the ending. Quite some time before the ME3 debate, that ending ruined most of the game for me.
MGS4 was good until the ending. Quite some time before the ME3 debate, that ending ruined most of the game for me.
Metal Gear is my favorite series, since the first game I played on NES, I was instantly a fan. I just hope that metal gear keeps the tradition and stay a PS exclusive.
I disagree.
Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 are OK, fun games for the nostalgia factor.
Solid 1 was fantastic.
Solid 2 was ok gameplay-wise and thematically, but the story is all over the place, and has some of the worst characters in the entire series (Raidan, Fortune, Solidus, and Rose are terrible characters).
Solid 3 is an awesome game. Some story beats are stupid, but I love the gameplay, and has some of the best Easter eggs in all of gaming.
Solid 4 had good gameplay, but the story was terrible. The longest Deus Ex Machina of an ending, ever written.
Portable Ops was an interesting experiment. Didn't play too much of it, but I had a really hard time getting into it.
Peace Walker is was Portable Ops should have been, and is one of my favorites of the series. Fun bite-size missions and the controls it took from Solid 4 really made the game fun.
Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 are OK, fun games for the nostalgia factor.
Solid 1 was fantastic.
Solid 2 was ok gameplay-wise and thematically, but the story is all over the place, and has some of the worst characters in the entire series (Raidan, Fortune, Solidus, and Rose are terrible characters).
Solid 3 is an awesome game. Some story beats are stupid, but I love the gameplay, and has some of the best Easter eggs in all of gaming.
Solid 4 had good gameplay, but the story was terrible. The longest Deus Ex Machina of an ending, ever written.
Portable Ops was an interesting experiment. Didn't play too much of it, but I had a really hard time getting into it.
Peace Walker is was Portable Ops should have been, and is one of my favorites of the series. Fun bite-size missions and the controls it took from Solid 4 really made the game fun.
Looks like people beat me to the comments big time.
MGS4 would have been a great game...if it had more than 3 hours of gameplay. 4 if you snrak around.
MGS4 would have been a great game...if it had more than 3 hours of gameplay. 4 if you snrak around.
Tristan77 says:
Metal Gear is my favorite series, since the first game I played *ON NES*, I was instantly a fan. I just hope that metal gear *KEEPS THE TRADITION AND STAYS PS EXCLUSIVE*" (Emphasis mine)
So wait, the NES was a Playstation? I'm not sure if you're being serious (and therefore ironically hilarious) here.
Metal Gear is my favorite series, since the first game I played *ON NES*, I was instantly a fan. I just hope that metal gear *KEEPS THE TRADITION AND STAYS PS EXCLUSIVE*" (Emphasis mine)
So wait, the NES was a Playstation? I'm not sure if you're being serious (and therefore ironically hilarious) here.
Every Smash Bros game has been consistently good.
Assassin Creed Series is banging as well (if we arent talking about the PSP and DS games)
Assassin Creed Series is banging as well (if we arent talking about the PSP and DS games)
No.
2 and a half good games does not make a good series. MGS4 was bad, Subsistence was bad, AC!D or whatever was dire. A few others weren't even good, just mediocre.
2 and a half good games does not make a good series. MGS4 was bad, Subsistence was bad, AC!D or whatever was dire. A few others weren't even good, just mediocre.
Metal Gear Solid 1-4 is near flawless for me personally (as an experience at the time of release). Hopefully pt. 5 can keep it up.
Advance Wars and Fire Emblem definitely. I am surprised no one has said mother even though it is only three games. Dragon Quest is consistently good.
@Fluterguy
Super Smash Bros Brawl was a bit of a let down. Tripping, too many characters with too much aerial maneuverability, stages becoming visually cluttered enough to start interfering with the game (at least for more casual players), some poor stage design decisions (New Pork City is just way too big), stage editor was a plus but its implementation almost undid it (blocks were about twice the size that they should have been), and the development draining waste that was Subspace Emissary mode.
No individual thing kills it, but the collection of the above and more all chip away too much at what it could have been. While it can seem a bit cruel to knock a game for not living up to its potential, I think it is a relevant knock when you are trying to claim a "most consistently great series of all time"
Super Smash Bros Brawl was a bit of a let down. Tripping, too many characters with too much aerial maneuverability, stages becoming visually cluttered enough to start interfering with the game (at least for more casual players), some poor stage design decisions (New Pork City is just way too big), stage editor was a plus but its implementation almost undid it (blocks were about twice the size that they should have been), and the development draining waste that was Subspace Emissary mode.
No individual thing kills it, but the collection of the above and more all chip away too much at what it could have been. While it can seem a bit cruel to knock a game for not living up to its potential, I think it is a relevant knock when you are trying to claim a "most consistently great series of all time"
ES dumbs stuff down too much with each iteration. Zelda would be a shoe in if it wasn't for Twighlight Princess and the fucktard idea of moving link with the touch screen. "True Mario games" are always solid but I just cant enjoy the Galaxy ones.
SO YEA, MGS takes da cake.
SO YEA, MGS takes da cake.
Great post, Chad! I've been thinking the same thing recently while playing MGS4 - I've never played a bad MGS game. Sure, I've only played the numbered entries, but I've still heard nothing but good things about all the titles in the franchise.
I can't wait to finally play Peace Walker after I've finished 4. And I've been missing out all these years from not having a PS3 before! Its a shame MGS Online disappeared too, just before I got the chance to try it.
I really can't think of another franchise that remains as consistently good as Metal Gear. I haven't played the first two myself, but maybe Street Fighter? Tekken could be a good shout too. I guess its because its harder to screw up in fighting game sequels - there's no storyline or gameplay gimmicks that drastically change, you just need to improve the visuals, include new characters, new moves, new stages and maybe new features.
I can't wait to finally play Peace Walker after I've finished 4. And I've been missing out all these years from not having a PS3 before! Its a shame MGS Online disappeared too, just before I got the chance to try it.
I really can't think of another franchise that remains as consistently good as Metal Gear. I haven't played the first two myself, but maybe Street Fighter? Tekken could be a good shout too. I guess its because its harder to screw up in fighting game sequels - there's no storyline or gameplay gimmicks that drastically change, you just need to improve the visuals, include new characters, new moves, new stages and maybe new features.
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