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Weekend Reading: eBay or Virtual Console? Meditations on retro games photo

I'm one of those people who really despised the idea of digital content for games. In my heart, I'm a collector. If you head down to my basement, you'll see racks of DVDs, several bookcases worth of books, a growing comics collection, and a smaller than I would like game collection. So naturally, the thought of not getting to visibly show off everything that I have is something that's a big turnoff for me.

Yet it's plain as day to see that's where Microsoft and Sony (and to an extent, Nintendo) want things to go, I've realized that resistance is futile. So this week, I'm going to be doing a little soul searching, a la Descartes' meditations, so feel free to follow me after the jump.

[No, seriously, check out Descartes' meditations. It's one of the original rants.]

There are a million reasons why people don't want digital content. Many prefer to have a hard copy of their games and don't play on an HDTV, some are afraid of putting their credit card information out on the Internet, while others don't agree with the fact that you don't actually "own" the content anymore. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft now have the objective of trying to swoon those who don't want to buy retro stuff digitally.

Right now, I'm mindlessly trolling eBay for games that I don't own from systems past, so that I can have it as part of a collection. I'm not gathering a seller's collection, mind you -- I'm going for a "look how many games I've played" collection. I wouldn't say that I'm never going to switch over to buying games on the Virtual Console or XBLA, it's just that I really need to have a good reason to switch.

My first consideration is the good side of downloadable content. Long ago, I lost about 90% of my cartridges that I had as a child, and so downloading stuff on Virtual Console, Xbox Live Marketplace, or Playstation Store gives me the opportunity to reclaim all those games that I lost or never got the opportunity to play.

The thing is, prices need to be reasonable. I really can't afford to be shelling out $5 for a game that I could get on eBay as part of a 10 item lot for $15. While going with a blanket pricing scheme can be good for those games that are really good or really rare, I think the games that warrant higher prices are few and far between compared to the mountains of bad games out there. The fact that the prices for Syphon Filter, Pinball, and Pac-Man are all the same is problematic. What can be done?

I think that companies really need to monitor feedback and buzz when they announce titles for pricing. For example, if Nintendo released the SNES version of Wheel of Fortune, everyone would be up in arms about it, since no one really wants to play it, much less for $8. So, instead of releasing it at an unreasonable price, they put it at $2-$3. Games that don't have a ton going for them out of the gate should be priced reasonably. This is probably the biggest thing holding quite a few people from downloading games released. I think taking this gamble on what will and won't be downloaded will allow companies to charge slightly highter prices for games that are sure-fire big hits (like, say, Earthbound).

Now, am I just going to sit on my hands and wait for these games to come out? Hell no. I want an active voice in what should be released. Otherwise, what's the point? I can just eBay the games and break out the old console in the time it takes them to release what I want. Sony could use ThreeSpeech, Nintendo could use the Everybody Votes channel, and Microsoft could use Xbox.com or Major Nelson's blog to ask what games should be released. They could either put up a poll of five games and release the three most popular, or just give a choice between two and have two other games that they plan to release.

This way, I'll at least be more content to sit and wait a bit, since I can be distracted by a game I didn't know much about, and thus, I've gone and bought a new game that I wasn't planning on. Now, how do you capture my interest on these unknown games? Well, let me just spit on Nintendo for a minute: make sure there are demos available for the games, along with screenshots that aren't so tiny that I can't tell what's going on in the image. Really, this is something that I could do on the PS3 or the 360, but for some reason, Nintendo can't muster the energy to do this.

Really, if I see these sorts of changes made, then I'll probably give up my eBay hunt for games that I remember fondly, and just go and buy them digitally.








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Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 20:00
Bob Muir
Now all you have to do is find a way to convince Nintendo to actually improve the Virtual Console. They have little incentive to do so, seeing as the VC is currently printing money.

Also, would it kill them to toss in some basic art with the game, like the game's box art and maybe even manual scans? That really made Sonic Mega Collection for me. The manual could be accessible from the Wii Home Menu button (along with the basic manual) and the box art would replace the image on the Channel button. Just something that I liked in the old mock-up screens that Nintendo hired some company to make about a year ago.
Ignignokt01's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 20:05
Ignignokt01
Agweed. Hence why i haven't bought anything on the VC, even if its something i haven't played but really want to.
ghnvt's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 20:24
ghnvt
I like the VC so the games will work as long as my Wii works, but I love collecting the old games. If I could guarantee the SNES and NES would work forever than I wouldn't buy anything on VC. BTW you can buy the worst game of all time (ET for the 2600) on ebay for 1 cent. Defintely worth it for a collectors item.
Chibs's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 20:26
Chibs
Read Nietzche instead of Descartes, Descarte doesn't have anything interesting to say apart from talking about dualism and even then, well, just don't bother with it :p
Grimspoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 20:33
Grimspoon
I need something tangible, something I can lovingly caress and fondle, and of course....something I can show off to all who behold my collection.

"Look how many games I've downloaded!"...

...It just isn't the same thing. Besides, I can do that on my computer, for free.
nosinging's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 20:35
nosinging
Yes, Nintendo is making a ton of money, and they can sing the "if it ain't broke" song all day, but isn't there another really key side to business? Shouldn't a company who can see a way to improve their product make the effort to make the changes? In the end, they'll probably benefit more anyway.
Apple makes an ipod, it sells like crazy, it's not like they'll do NOTHING to improve it because it's "printing money." A smarter company innovates. If Nintendo prides itself on innovation, it should respond and improve its product. I don't know much about the other two on-line markets, but if they function anything like the VC, there's room for improvement.
MailboxHead's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 20:42
MailboxHead
Is that Desert Strike in the bottom right corner... or is it just me...
Brad Rice's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 20:48
Brad Rice
@Chibs: Well, I am a dualist. On a slightly different philisophical topic, read some Searle. Has some great thought experiments.
lowercaseluke's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 21:09
lowercaseluke
S T F U. I am a philosophy major and am still bored by you, Dick.

The VC will continue to suck until people stop buying from it. Then it will be taken down.
Nintendo are the most naive company I have ever known. I love them but I always get the feeling they don't know what the hell is happening in the world.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 22:29
Aaron Mxy Yost
The biggest benefit with VC to me is keeping down the clutter. When I want to play a game, I don't have to dig out my box of carts from storage and search through to find it. There's still nothing like playing it on the original system though. I'd love to see a more flexible pricing scheme for some of the less stellar titles, but I highly doubt that will be in the cards. Something simple like a timed lock out demo would be nice to include, give you 10 minutes of play time to decide if you like a game or not, then have it reset the rom.
God Len's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 22:29
God Len
Take you and your philosophy back to Orochimaru, sasuke.
Brad Rice's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 22:33
Brad Rice
luke,

Ninty isn't going to fail with it, simply because they have access to some of the most fabled games in retro collections. So no, they certainly won't be failing.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2007 22:36
Samit Sarkar
I laughed out loud when I saw the picture.

Yeah, I was about to pay the six bucks (or whatever, I’m not exactly sure of the cost) for Syphon Filter from the PS Store, but stopped myself in the nick of time after realizing I still owed a friend $220 from a month and a half ago. If I really tried, I could probably find it as part of a lot on eBay, like Dick suggested, or at my local EB/GameStop. Okay, well, they probably don’t still stock PS games. But maybe...
TheExit's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 00:11
TheExit
Those prices are ridiculous for retro games, that so much of us who grew up with, from the NES to now. Its hard to buy all that stuff to relive it, so instead if you may, emulators!
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 02:30
Bob Muir
@ Mxyzptlk: The one drawback to that is that the first 10 minutes of some games don't accurately describe the experience. If they released a demo of Twilight Princess's first 10 minutes, very few people would buy it based on that alone. A 10 minute demo would require Nintendo hand-picking 10 minutes (or a level) that would be representative of the game and then setting the hooks for the demo to start there. That's something that I think Nintendo is too lazy to do, as shown by their current modus operandi of dump-games-insert-tiny-screens-insert-generic description.

Also, don't forget to consider that a 10 minute demo would eliminate the need to buy some games. 10 minutes of Urban Champion would either a) show you everything about the game, or b) convince the gamer not to buy it. It's in Nintendo's best interest to not tell you how bad a few of those games are. The incentive to buy these games would primarily be achieved by lowering the price to the range of an impulse buy, like DMV's example of Wheel of Fortune for $2-3. For $2, I'd consider buying Urban Champion, if only to put my friends through pain like DMV does to me with Red Steel.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 04:42
Gameboi
I'm kind of torn on the whole thing. Like Mxyzptlk said, downloads cut down on the clutter, but there is nothing like having the real deal in your hand (did I just say that?).
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 04:46
xenon
I really don't want to sound like the 1337 warez scenester I am not, but I think PC emulators and ROMs are sorely missing from the equation. I understand buying the real thing on eBay, but 8 dollars for a glorified ROM to be played on a featureless emulator with an improper joypad, only on my TV? Hmmm...
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 04:47
RJG
I love digital content. Call me a madman or whathaveyou, but coming from a PAL background, the idea that content gets released simultaneously worldwide for a cheaper price in accordance with the US dollar is only good news for me. That's why I love Steam. I just bought two games off Steam for $25 that would have cost me at least $50 had I bought them locally. Of course, Nintendo has completely destroyed all that is good with digital delivery in two ways. One, it raised the price of VS Points in comparison with the US dollar, like they always do, effectively raping customers yet again, and two, they kept the inferior PAL versions, which actually run slower than their NTSC counterparts.
Jordan Devore's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 05:52
Jordan Devore
eBay all the way.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 07:09
Bob Muir
@ xenon: Have you tried the classic controller? It's actually really nice. It's not the ultimate controller ever, but it's more than suitable for playing pretty much any of the emulated games. (The only big issue is the "C stick" (right stick) instead of C buttons, since my friend commented on slight inprecision, but that's perfectly serviceable.) Not going to disagree with you about featureless emulators (that don't even support rumble or simulated online gameplay like most illegal ones), but I'd personally rather see my video games on a TV the way God intended when he made Pong instead of on a PC monitor. That is, unless we're talking about one of these babies.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 07:54
BlindsideDork
I wished i had Doom Troopers: Mutant Chronicles
Milhouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 08:13
Milhouse
Well, originally I would have said that I would have favored buying my retro games on ebay, but since I discovered Gametap, I don't really see the need anymore... No NES and SNES games but I was mostly a Genesis fan.
foredaddy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 08:15
foredaddy
mmmm Super Scope 6.
jerrt's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 09:31
jerrt
thank you... i own them in their original format, i don't buy them again, unless there have been decent changes made.
galagabug 's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 11:34
galagabug
if i wanted just a playable version of a game released over a decade ago, its emulation all the way (at least when i'm gaming on the HDTV). why would i pay for a version of a game i already own, already have the ROM of, and have access to custom controls, save states, and occasionally online play.

i kept all my consoles and cartridges and have a 27" CRT for when its time to get really retro.
mightygstyper's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2007 14:01
mightygstyper
Clutter ftw!
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2007 03:54
xenon
@Necros: no, haven't tried that controller. About the looks, I think anything older than Dreamcast in better played in windowed mode on a PC monitor, but I see how it detracts from the retro experience. Still feels like ITunes crippleware VS. MP3 illegal downloads. And without the MAFIAA suing people.
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