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I haven't even played ME3, but I already love the ending simply based on the reaction it's getting.
The salty, salty tears are hilarious.
The salty, salty tears are hilarious.
While I don't mind the ending, at the same time I wouldn't mind a change to it as well.
Easiest way to put it.
Easiest way to put it.
This is my opinion of the ending. It's not the ending, it feels so much like they are holding the ending for DLC because *spoiler if you agree* it's a dream sequence! I promise you because of the backlash they are gonna go "dlc for the fans" even though it was intentional. Should people be pissed? Yes, they should. But not because the ending was bad, it's because the ending doesn't work without a real ending with it.
I ask this: what game came that came out recently actually had an ending people generally liked? New Vegas is the only one I can think of.
Mass Effect is a crappy franchise that fails at everything (except exposition, since it never shuts up), a crappy and badly written ending suits it very well.
COME ON, TELL ME JUST ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THE GAY SEX GRANDAD!
COME ON, TELL ME JUST ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THE GAY SEX GRANDAD!
I don't have a problem with the ending, even if it is almost exactly the same as the Deus games. I do have a problem, however, with the lack of an epilogue or any kind of explanation for the consequences of your choices.
Hell, even a game like Suikoden, which has 108 characters, at least gives you a brief sentence explaining every character's future. I would be perfectly if Mass Effect did something like that, it probably wouldn't even require voice actors or cutscenes.
Hell, even a game like Suikoden, which has 108 characters, at least gives you a brief sentence explaining every character's future. I would be perfectly if Mass Effect did something like that, it probably wouldn't even require voice actors or cutscenes.
I like the endings but i think most of the crying is because fans expected a LOTR or Metal Gear Soild 4 type ending that goes on for 40mins telling what happens to every damn character. actually when has Bioware even done a good ending for a game.
Terrible but thats not the issue. Bioware lied to its fanbase with the illusion of player choice. They have been releasing flawed products inconsistent with their quality in years past. We are not entitled fans. Its a buzzword so ahut up before you say it. Read the eric cain articles from forbes to get a non jackass biased side to this issue. K
This video pretty much sums up all the problems I had with the ending: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4&list=UU7v3-2K1N84V67IF-WTRG-Q&index=1&feature=plcp
It sucks but I'm not about to ask for a new ending. IMO the game needed another year in development.
I liked the endings. However, I really disliked how 99% of how the series concluded was based off one decision right at the end of the game.
I beat it last night, it was fine. In no way what so ever do I agree with 'The Last 5minutes ruin the last 5years!'. It wasn't the Fallout style recap everyone was dying for but it was actually well done - provided you go along with the Indoctrination Theory that basically states Shepard has finally cracked. Most of the end is inside her head (everything after being hit by the Reaper beam).
Two of the three endings leave Shepard dead, one leaves her Alive - while I understand there being 'one' ending for Shepard is shocking given Mass Effect's hook and promise but it is the only ending where you actually complete what you set out to do all those years ago. I see a lot of people claiming this is a justification by fans- no, it's an interpretation and again one I'm inclined to go with.
And let's just get this out of way right here and now: there was no way anyone was really going to be happy with the ending - how could they be? What would you really want to see? I found it incredibly fitting that in the end Shepard has basically become a Legend, that is what happens to good Heroes! They don't go settle down and raise a family or go back to being common soldiers, they pass into Legend.
Two of the three endings leave Shepard dead, one leaves her Alive - while I understand there being 'one' ending for Shepard is shocking given Mass Effect's hook and promise but it is the only ending where you actually complete what you set out to do all those years ago. I see a lot of people claiming this is a justification by fans- no, it's an interpretation and again one I'm inclined to go with.
And let's just get this out of way right here and now: there was no way anyone was really going to be happy with the ending - how could they be? What would you really want to see? I found it incredibly fitting that in the end Shepard has basically become a Legend, that is what happens to good Heroes! They don't go settle down and raise a family or go back to being common soldiers, they pass into Legend.
It was a bad ending. It's not bad because of what happened, it's bad because how it was handled. I don't care if the ending was a happy one or a sad one, I wanted one that makes sense. This is like NGE all over again.
If it WAS a dream sequence, and things will be explained later on, that's fine.
If it WAS a dream sequence, and things will be explained later on, that's fine.
I'm not offended by the ending I got, but it I just wanted it to last a bit longer (I got the best ending, Destroyed Reapers, Shep "surviving").
If there is anything I like about the ME games, it's the eleborate conversations you can have with people. Magical Reaper Boy gives you none of that.
Also, they did nothing with Harbinger, no dialogue, no assumption of any form of control, be they direct or indirect. Just lasers. To the face.
I don't think it should be fixed, but I do know I'm bummed out by a great trilogy ending in sort of weak manner. I would've been happier if I didnt get to choose, but the game made the choice depending on how I played during the game itself. Maybe they shouldn't have shown the fleet strength bar?
I guess I'm just sad it's over.
If there is anything I like about the ME games, it's the eleborate conversations you can have with people. Magical Reaper Boy gives you none of that.
Also, they did nothing with Harbinger, no dialogue, no assumption of any form of control, be they direct or indirect. Just lasers. To the face.
I don't think it should be fixed, but I do know I'm bummed out by a great trilogy ending in sort of weak manner. I would've been happier if I didnt get to choose, but the game made the choice depending on how I played during the game itself. Maybe they shouldn't have shown the fleet strength bar?
I guess I'm just sad it's over.
Haven't played the game but based on reactions it will be added in as DLC. That was probably the plan from the start, make an ending people were angry about so EA could justify shoving more needless DLC down our throats.
I was fine with the endings, pretty much because the game already had me setting out to assemble a mystical McGuffin to stop the Reapers, the blueprints for which just happened to be on Mars this whole time.
Since I knew at that point they had DS9ed the ending, that the had X Filed it complete with The Smoking Man just losing it - I just enjoyed the journey and there all the impacts of my choices were felt.
My only issue with the final run toward the end was that Harbinger got a cameo while Kei Lang or whoever totally Darth Mauled/Jango Fetted his way into the plot for no good reason other than to kill Thane in his final hours.
Glad I got to kill him, but no confrontation with Harbinger was just a huge missed opportunity.
As for ending, I favored synthesis. Because geth are cool and I'm not murdering EDI.
Since I knew at that point they had DS9ed the ending, that the had X Filed it complete with The Smoking Man just losing it - I just enjoyed the journey and there all the impacts of my choices were felt.
My only issue with the final run toward the end was that Harbinger got a cameo while Kei Lang or whoever totally Darth Mauled/Jango Fetted his way into the plot for no good reason other than to kill Thane in his final hours.
Glad I got to kill him, but no confrontation with Harbinger was just a huge missed opportunity.
As for ending, I favored synthesis. Because geth are cool and I'm not murdering EDI.
I have already written a c-blog on the subject, check it out.
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Eric+Nicholas+Reed/my-thoughts-on-the-ending-of-the-mass-effect-trilogy-223471.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Eric+Nicholas+Reed/my-thoughts-on-the-ending-of-the-mass-effect-trilogy-223471.phtml
Well. I thought it was a pretty big letdown. I didnt expect all flowers rainbows and happiness, but I didnt figure the end boiling down to colors and a somewhat vague conclusion for me to more infer than to experience
Yes, anyone that has a different opinion from Janklogs, or feels differently, please kill yourself because he is the apex of human existence.
It was a bad ending. Nothing about made any sense what so ever. I hate it when games force you down to three chocies that all sucks. I hate that damn Star Child, I hate how it all end. Hate hate.
@silent
i liked Kei lang but Harbringer being ignored was ridiculous we got a journal entry saying he is leading the Reaper attack force on Earth himself and we get nothing.
Having Harbinger being the reaper guarding the beam would have been epic with him giving shepard abuse
I think i read somewhere he has voice files on the disc but can't remember where that deals with a conflict with him
i liked Kei lang but Harbringer being ignored was ridiculous we got a journal entry saying he is leading the Reaper attack force on Earth himself and we get nothing.
Having Harbinger being the reaper guarding the beam would have been epic with him giving shepard abuse
I think i read somewhere he has voice files on the disc but can't remember where that deals with a conflict with him
There were three huge things wrong with the ending: lack of choice, lack of closure, and a lack of scientific explanation. Bioware usually gets all three of these right in their games, which makes this section all the more infuriating.
Also none of our choices mattered at all. Not just in the ending but they had little impact on our story path at all. Biowares writers have really dropped the ball.
I'm putting this here again, because fuck it I'm lazy.
Oke picture this, Luke is on the death star. The only way to destroy the Empire is to destroy the death star. When the death star explodes Vader, the Emperor. and all storm troopers and Empire folks just flat out die. But, the entire solar system the Death star is located will be destroyed. So the entire rebel fleet will die including Han, Lea, Chewie etc who are on Endor. Luke decides to destroy the death star anyway. There's a huge explosion, Luke dies along with everyone else. Then we get a 3 minute epilogue with Han, Lea, Chewie, C3p0 r2 etc. On a jungle planet stranded. They come out of the Millennium Falcon and are smiling looking towards the horizon. Turns out they were already fleeing the battle when the death star got destroyed. Somehow the falcon picked up the whole crew on Endor then proceeded to flee the battle to escape the solar destroying explosion only to finally strand on a unexplored jungle planet in the middle of no where. CUT TO CREDITS WITH FUNKY DAFT PUNK MUSIC.
Oke picture this, Luke is on the death star. The only way to destroy the Empire is to destroy the death star. When the death star explodes Vader, the Emperor. and all storm troopers and Empire folks just flat out die. But, the entire solar system the Death star is located will be destroyed. So the entire rebel fleet will die including Han, Lea, Chewie etc who are on Endor. Luke decides to destroy the death star anyway. There's a huge explosion, Luke dies along with everyone else. Then we get a 3 minute epilogue with Han, Lea, Chewie, C3p0 r2 etc. On a jungle planet stranded. They come out of the Millennium Falcon and are smiling looking towards the horizon. Turns out they were already fleeing the battle when the death star got destroyed. Somehow the falcon picked up the whole crew on Endor then proceeded to flee the battle to escape the solar destroying explosion only to finally strand on a unexplored jungle planet in the middle of no where. CUT TO CREDITS WITH FUNKY DAFT PUNK MUSIC.
I feel like when people hear the ending is bad, they just assume it didn't end the way we wanted to so we're complaining. The real problem however is storytelling quality. There a number of other examples through the game I won't mention because spoilers, but between those and the ending it all just seems as though it were rushed out to make money first, and conclude the trilogy second (or even last).
I love the whole series and I'm OK about the so called "sad ending" but one thing I don't like and that's the abrupt ending to the game. Basically it's: you make the biggest choice in the series, now here's big boom that changes color depending on choice and here's Joker. Casey Hudson said in one interview something along: we wanted you to guess what happens next. Sorry Casey but it didn't work on Sopranos and it doesn't work here.
@The Silent Protagonist
Kai Leng has actually been a pretty prominent character in the second and third ME tie-in books, so he didn't exactly "Darth Maul" his way into the game. Plus if Thane died in your ME 2 save then the salarian diplo doesn't survive.
Kai Leng has actually been a pretty prominent character in the second and third ME tie-in books, so he didn't exactly "Darth Maul" his way into the game. Plus if Thane died in your ME 2 save then the salarian diplo doesn't survive.
Could've been better, but after reading a post of someone analyzing the ending into a deeper level than just what was shown has given me a better appreciation of the ending. One that has my mind being fucked and going "what? really? could it have been?" and we don't get these moments in games a lot.
I kind of liked the ending, it was simple and brought the story back to its center: it's about telling a story and I think how we deal with things incompressible like the vastness of the galaxy. Ultimately, they had to tie it back to the human condition, otherwise it's not relevant. I would have liked to see more consequences to choices made in ME2, but the ending made me feel pretty good.
I enjoyed the ending, though I do agree that I would have liked to have seen some more but that doesn't ruin the way I feel about the ending. It simply shows how invested I was in this world and characters and that I wanted to spend a little more time with them.
I feel that all of the choices that I made throughout the series were reflected throughout the gameplay of ME3 and I did get to talk to all of my characters before the last push to say my goodbyes, so the ending didn't necessarily have to make specific references to those things.
I can certainly understand some of the issues that people have but to completely rewrite the ending... That I just can't get behind. Shepard is a legend and that's how it should stay.
I feel that all of the choices that I made throughout the series were reflected throughout the gameplay of ME3 and I did get to talk to all of my characters before the last push to say my goodbyes, so the ending didn't necessarily have to make specific references to those things.
I can certainly understand some of the issues that people have but to completely rewrite the ending... That I just can't get behind. Shepard is a legend and that's how it should stay.
My thoughts are.mostly disamppointment. In the end, Shepards choices don't affect the ending at all. Nothing does except some arbitrary list of " did you do all the right choices thru 3 games" followed by a last second space flea out of nowhere fixing the world.
I think it's an absolutely crappy ending.
Even if it turns out it is a "false" ending and what we saw was an indoctrination attempt on Shepard, it's still crappy because people are paying $60 (or $80 if they went for the N7 edition) and won't be able to finish and see the "real" ending until BioWare and EA decide we're ready. It'll be even worse if we end up having to pay for the real end.
Even if it turns out it is a "false" ending and what we saw was an indoctrination attempt on Shepard, it's still crappy because people are paying $60 (or $80 if they went for the N7 edition) and won't be able to finish and see the "real" ending until BioWare and EA decide we're ready. It'll be even worse if we end up having to pay for the real end.
The ending itself was fine if poorly written, but it was handled so badly that it left an awful taste in my mouth and made me question what had just happened and how. The shit with the Normandy made no sense whatsoever and the after-credits scene was downright insulting. Never mind how it contradicts both Shepard's established character and the events of Arrival.
@pastacat - ME never once went in depth about Techs or Biotics and how those space magics worked.
They mass relays being destroyed makes sense in that they were staging points for invasion and genocide, which even the races if the game often used them for. Genophage, the war on the geth and oh yeah the Batarians trying to drop asteroids on human colonies.
Seems more conflict came of mass relays than peace.
They mass relays being destroyed makes sense in that they were staging points for invasion and genocide, which even the races if the game often used them for. Genophage, the war on the geth and oh yeah the Batarians trying to drop asteroids on human colonies.
Seems more conflict came of mass relays than peace.
We all knew the end was coming people! The point of the story wasn't to save all the current lives but to ensure the future without the reapers regulation.
The only part I wanted, was the after party! I had the good ending, and having a little more closure would have been nice. Not sure why everyone is so upset. Obviously the story isn't really over....let Bio ware do it's thing.
Also, if you don't like the game why are you even in the thread? Seem's like jealousy. Not everyone likes the same type of games, music, food, etc. So why take the time out of your day to post something that in the end accomplishes nothing on your own behalf? Just saying....
The only part I wanted, was the after party! I had the good ending, and having a little more closure would have been nice. Not sure why everyone is so upset. Obviously the story isn't really over....let Bio ware do it's thing.
Also, if you don't like the game why are you even in the thread? Seem's like jealousy. Not everyone likes the same type of games, music, food, etc. So why take the time out of your day to post something that in the end accomplishes nothing on your own behalf? Just saying....
Considering every ending essentially has the same outcome for Shepard and crew, I wouldn't say it was a great ending for the individuals in Mass Effect. Even if you get the super secret cutscene, it doesn't really change the story or ending all that much because it's always ultimately always ends with the Normandy crew marooned and the stargazer epilogue regardless of which ending you choose, unless you fail spectacularly.
On the flipside, there are monumental changes in the Galaxy, regardless of which action you take, which was rather unexpected for me and that was an incredible way to move the universe forward, for the opposite reason the more personal side of the endings aren't satisfying: it's all left wide open to millions of possibilities.
I liked the ending, but that's because I didn't do a lot with the romance options, and most of the characters I liked were already dead. Everyone who I thought deserved a proper ending already had one by the time the ending cutscene barrage happened.
On the flipside, there are monumental changes in the Galaxy, regardless of which action you take, which was rather unexpected for me and that was an incredible way to move the universe forward, for the opposite reason the more personal side of the endings aren't satisfying: it's all left wide open to millions of possibilities.
I liked the ending, but that's because I didn't do a lot with the romance options, and most of the characters I liked were already dead. Everyone who I thought deserved a proper ending already had one by the time the ending cutscene barrage happened.
I love the mass effect series by far one of my all time favorite franchises I beat the game and personaly loved the ending but I guess someone had to bitch about it right.
Main problems:
1) The ending hinged on ONE single decision at the end of the game and didn't take into account your previous decisions. No dialogue trees with this god child.
2) Where TF did this magical god child come from? And how does destroying organics so they don't create synthetics that will destroy them later make any sense?
3) Harbinger was mentioned but not factored into the game at all
4) Mass relays were destroyed, so that giant united army you brought to Earth is stuck there with not enough resources and no means to gather resources
5) The conflicts you resolved are meaningless. Who cares if you reunited the geth/quarians or krogan/turians. They'll never see each other again
6) All the endings were basically the same - so much for choosing your own destiny
7) How did Joker and your crew manage to escape to another planet if the mass relays were destroyed? Did they abandon you BEFORE the reapers were destroyed? And how is it that the people who got nuked in the laser with you perfectly fine on the ship?
1) The ending hinged on ONE single decision at the end of the game and didn't take into account your previous decisions. No dialogue trees with this god child.
2) Where TF did this magical god child come from? And how does destroying organics so they don't create synthetics that will destroy them later make any sense?
3) Harbinger was mentioned but not factored into the game at all
4) Mass relays were destroyed, so that giant united army you brought to Earth is stuck there with not enough resources and no means to gather resources
5) The conflicts you resolved are meaningless. Who cares if you reunited the geth/quarians or krogan/turians. They'll never see each other again
6) All the endings were basically the same - so much for choosing your own destiny
7) How did Joker and your crew manage to escape to another planet if the mass relays were destroyed? Did they abandon you BEFORE the reapers were destroyed? And how is it that the people who got nuked in the laser with you perfectly fine on the ship?
I loved it. It was haunting and it completed the universe in a way that most games wouldn't even dare to attempt. This is a triple A series with 5 years worth of games attached, and they literally blew it all up.
If I had one complaint it's that I'd have liked more of an ending cinematic. It just seemed short to me.
If I had one complaint it's that I'd have liked more of an ending cinematic. It just seemed short to me.
This. The ending as is is an inconsistent plithole filled abyss straight out of a micheal bay film. Ignore the logic, ooh splosions!
My problem with the ending is this: It's poorly written and full of plotholes. Why is Shepard just blindly accepting what this reaper-child is saying? Where is my renegade option to tell it to fuck off? Why is Joker all of a sudden fleeing from battle?! How the hell did all my crew that was just on earth fighting suddenly get back on the Normandy, and are running away with joker?
How did they get back to the mass relay in time to even attempt to outrun my color of choice energy blast? The endings are all the same with maybe a 5% variation, where are my drastically diverse endings that bioware talked about? And I find it incredible that every single gaming news outlet but ONE is arrogantly labeling us whiney and entitled.
It's really wrong for us to be angry over the ending of a marvelous trilogy that in the last ten minutes throws everything about the game that made it great out the window and gives us an ending that we are barely in control of and hardly makes sense? Everyone was perfectly okay bitching until they were blue in the face about Duke Nukem forever, but when a fabulous game gets fucked up, oh no no no. You fans are just butthurt!
Well I have this to say to Max Scoville, Tara Long, and any other "journalist" commenting without knowing a damn what they are talking about or even considering the fans point of view: FUCK. OFF. You're pathetic, and amateur.
Here is an article from Gamefront defending the fans:
http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/
And a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
How did they get back to the mass relay in time to even attempt to outrun my color of choice energy blast? The endings are all the same with maybe a 5% variation, where are my drastically diverse endings that bioware talked about? And I find it incredible that every single gaming news outlet but ONE is arrogantly labeling us whiney and entitled.
It's really wrong for us to be angry over the ending of a marvelous trilogy that in the last ten minutes throws everything about the game that made it great out the window and gives us an ending that we are barely in control of and hardly makes sense? Everyone was perfectly okay bitching until they were blue in the face about Duke Nukem forever, but when a fabulous game gets fucked up, oh no no no. You fans are just butthurt!
Well I have this to say to Max Scoville, Tara Long, and any other "journalist" commenting without knowing a damn what they are talking about or even considering the fans point of view: FUCK. OFF. You're pathetic, and amateur.
Here is an article from Gamefront defending the fans:
http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/
And a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
I've been going back and forth on the ending since i beat the game the other day. I like ambiguity in my endings, I also like sadness. I have no issues with the relays exploding or Shepard dieing - those things felt like they were coming. However, the whole story seems to hang on a few minutes of dialogue with that child, its not well written or thought out and whole whole thing just feels impersonal, like nothing sort of makes sense after that.
The whole game tries to build Shepard as a well rounded character taking the agency away from the player and giving it more to the writer, Shepard feels and thinks things I don't feel myself and says thing I would never tell him to say. So they tried to build him up as having all this fear and stress only to do something in the final moments that maybe made sense for the character they were trying to build but not the one I was trying to build.
Also that epilogue was just hokey and weird.
The whole game tries to build Shepard as a well rounded character taking the agency away from the player and giving it more to the writer, Shepard feels and thinks things I don't feel myself and says thing I would never tell him to say. So they tried to build him up as having all this fear and stress only to do something in the final moments that maybe made sense for the character they were trying to build but not the one I was trying to build.
Also that epilogue was just hokey and weird.
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