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So, Sonic the Hedgehog 4 was announced at midnight. After much teasing, it was revealed that Project Needlemouse would become the official sequel to Sonic 3, continuing where the 16-bit game left off to provide us with an honest-to-goodness 2D platformer. No more silly furry comrades, no more bad music, and no more Z-grade JRPG narratives. 

So of course, everybody complained about it. 

Wah, it's episodic! Wah, the Sonic cycle! Wah, Sega never does anything right! Bitch, bitch, bitch was all that came out of some of your mouths. Well everybody shut up and listen now. Stop doing that thing where gamers come across as whining douchebags who can't be happy with anything, and learn to give Sonic 4 a chance.

The first major criticism to come out of this teaser is the fact that Sega chose to make it episodic. I'll admit, this threw me for a loop. The first instinct is to wonder why Sega can never keep anything simple, and why it feels the need to add in weird extra details that nobody asked for. Sure, the episodic thing is weird, but why are we being so quick to shit all over it? What, exactly, is suddenly so wrong about episodic gaming that it's already made Sonic 4 an instant no-buy for some people?

We don't yet know why this game is episodic, and how Sega will implement it. All we know, right now, is that Sonic 4 will be broken into staggered releases. There's no way of knowing if that's a good or bad thing yet. Already people have stomped their feet and shouted, "Well I'm not going to pay ten bucks just to download one Zone!" Who the Hell said that's what Sega is planning? You don't know, so shut up about it. 

Sure, the episodic deal could be a scam, and it could turn out to be a bad investment. However, what if the episodes were roughly the length of a full Genesis game each? What if they're short but ludicrously cheap? We just can't tell how it's going to turn out. A few people balked at the idea of an episodic platformer, but why not? Who said that episodic games should only be reserved for point-and-click adventures or Half-Life 2? I say let Sega try it with a platformer. It might just be crazy enough to work. 

Of course, it's hard to expect everybody to automatically trust a new Sonic game, no matter how many appeals to nostalgia it makes. I am fully aware that Sonic has had chance after chance after chance, and he's blown almost every single one of them. Sonic Unleashed was the franchise's best console effort in years, and that was a disappointing game full of poor design decisions. I am not so unaware as to wonder why people are wary of Sonic the Hedgehog 4. However, it's the complete refusal to even entertain the thought of it being good that grates on my nerves. 

Yes, most recent Sonic games have sucked, but then, most recent Sonic games have been made with a callous disregard for the franchise's past and a refusal to work in anything but 3D. Let's look at the last time a studio embraced Sonic's past and created a good 2D game. It was Sonic Advance on the GameBoy Advance. It was also a bloody brilliant game. All it took was a healthy respect for what made the old school Sonic games good, and a solid dose of two-dimensional platforming. 

Hell, the Sonic Rush games might not be fantastic, but they are at least pretty good. It seems that if you put Sonic in a 2D game, he has a very solid chance of becoming decent. If Sega sticks to the formula, and the early teaser seems to indicate that it will, then there is a very good probability that Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be a success. 

But wait, of course, there's that whole "Sonic Cycle" thing, right?

The Sonic Cycle has been a universal truth for years. Every Sonic game has gone the same way. The game is first revealed and fans are excited for Sonic's triumphant return. Then more screenshots arrive and we see a cast of new furry friends along with the same wretched gameplay we've been suffering for years. Finally, the game comes out and fans pledge to never be tricked again. Yes, the Sonic Cycle has been an unbreakable truth for a long time, but we already know that the second stage of this cycle is completely wrong. Sonic the Hedgehog will be the only playable character in Sonic 4. As for the same wretched gameplay? Well, we also already know that the gameplay will be in the same vein as the original Genesis games. 

It would appear that the Sonic Cycle does not apply in this particular instance. 

Perhaps one of the stupidest arguments I've seen is that Sonic 4 sucks because it is not "innovative." In fact, here's an exact quote from a cynical GameSpot reader who apparently couldn't wait to dump all over the game:

16 years and your teaser is 2 seconds of game play that looks frighteningly identical, but in HD! ... bravo Sega. What makes this interesting and new, aside from "it's new 2d sonic!"? What's the innovation? Why is this a necessary sequel?

Really? First of all, since when was any sequel necessary? These are videogames, not cancer cures. Secondly, do people like this not understand what a reboot is? It's about going back to basics. That also answers the question about it being "interesting and new." I'd say it is rather interesting to get an old school Sonic game in 2010, and I'd say it's a fucksight more interesting than yet another first-person-shooter or yet another JRPG. A game doesn't have to be innovative, it just has to be good. People have clamored for a Sonic game that brings back the classic gameplay, and now that we appear to be getting one, people are going to bitch that it's not innovative? Isn't the quest for innovation part of what killed Sonic in the first place!?

You can argue that Mega Man 9 wasn't innovative. Christ, that was less original than Sonic 4, considering the fact that it copied the NES games right down to the glitches. Mega Man 9 was about as unoriginal as it could get, but it was also one of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful digital games ever. 

Sega's marketing right now indicates that it knows what it's doing. The concept art featuring classic Badnik enemies, the retro-themed music, and the very clear focus on retro Sonic fans all point to a Sega that realizes what it needs to do in order to make Sonic 4 a hit with gamers. While that hit is far from guaranteed, this is the best sign we've had in years. Let's not be so quick to disregard it, eh?

Ultimately, I think that shitting on Sonic 4 so harshly after less than ten seconds of game footage and a unique distribution model is not only presumptuous, but very silly indeed. If you've already decided not to buy the game just because it's episodic, or it's a Sonic game, or it's not innovative enough for you, then there's something very wrong inside your mind. I am not at all saying that the game will definitely be good. Nor am I saying that a dose of wise skepticism isn't required. However, those bitching about the thing within twenty-four hours of its announcement simply demonstrate to Sega that they can't win, no matter what they do. 

Now, this last message is for Sega itself: Don't fuck this up, okay?








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Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:06
Strandli
I think it's fantastic. If I were to whine about one thing, it would be that the animation of the 3D sprite made Sonic look slow. But that may appear different in the game, when it's not based of 2 seconds of a teaser.

Give it a chance people... one... last.. chance.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:07
wanderingpixel
I've been burned so many times that it is hard to get excited. Still, I will remain cautiously optimistic and give it a chance. I really hope this turns out well.
The Pilgrums's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:07
The Pilgrums
I'm not reading all of that, but are people REALLY bitching over a 60 second trailer of nothing? Seriously? Why not wait to see a full fucking level before shitting all over it?

People are so goddamn cynical about everything...
Pime Taradox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:08
Pime Taradox
Stop giving me hope, Mr. Sterling. It just makes it hurt all the more.

That being said, I'll without a doubt be giving this a shot. What little we've seen of the game looks great and I'm interested to see what they do with the episodic idea. I just hope this turns out well because if it doesn't than everyone's defense of sonic: 'It would be a great game if they'd turn it back into a 2-d platformer' will be dead. If they mess this up, they mess up the last hope of every sonic fan in the world.

No pressure.
Dr Milkdad's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:08
Dr Milkdad
To be fair, the ones happy with this kind of thing are usually the ones not commenting. Angry people bitch, happy people smile quietly.
Memox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:09
Memox
I think Sega will get it right this time. After all the shit that has rained on all the sonic games that have come out for years they're bound to eventually understand what people like. It looks pretty good for now, we'll have to wait and see...
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:09
PappaDukes
Hell yes, Sterling! I welcome Sonic 4 with open arms. But I too hope that Sega takes this shit seriously and doesn't muck up what was the very birth of the Sonic franchise.
LazyEyelids's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:10
LazyEyelids
Redemption or last nail on the coffin? I hope it's the first one. Good article, Jim.
Mark Griffiths's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:10
Mark Griffiths
@Jim: Well said. I can't wait to try it, I just hope it doesn't get too much bashing upon release that might affect any possible enjoyment when I eventually get it...
Geoff's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:10
Geoff
this game will be terrible because it's a sonic game

i called it
Anjo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:10
Anjo
I think I can safely call it now and say that Sega is going to fuck this up.

I hope I am proven wrong.
matty125's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:10
matty125
The Sonic games on Game Gear sucked, too.
bustaballs's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:12
bustaballs
I'm 100% with you Jim. There hasn't been any info on the game to make ANYONE not want it. The only thing that disappoints me is that this isn't a Dreamcast 2 exclusive.
d0nfil0fi0's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:12
d0nfil0fi0
The only (rather big) compalin that I ahve with Sonic 4 is that is uses the 3D model of Sonic, rather than redrawing a new one. We all know that 3D models are cheaper to produce and that really feels awkwards sometimes.

Sure, if they used the 16 bits assets it would've been EVEN MORE CHEAP, but they made a new drawn modle for the DS, so I don't know why they couldn't make an KOF 12 like effort and start from scartch.

If you want to reboot a series, don't use the model that many gamers have learnt to hate.

And if you don't like episodic content, wait a year until the SUPER MEGA SONIC FUN PACK appears as a DVD with deleted scenes, free DLC and extra characters.
SneakerElph's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:12
SneakerElph
It definitely perpetuates the gamer stereotype that can't ever be pleased. I'm looking forward to this game. Sure, I was a little thrown off by the episodic nature, but as long as they don't pull a Valve and require more time to release an episode than most companies take to release an entire game, then I'll be happy. I think with the direction they're going with this, it'll be really hard for them to screw up. I wish they'd shown more gameplay in the trailer though.

Also, you didn't mention the part where they said that the Wii and PS3 versions would have waggle. That could potentially screw things up, though probably not by much since they are still making an XBLA version.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:12
Dan CiTi
I think they could touch up the look of the game(Sonic and his animation more so) but except that I have no complaints at all.
bustaballs's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:12
bustaballs
I'm 100% with you Jim. There hasn't been any info on the game to make ANYONE not want it. The only thing that disappoints me is that this isn't a Dreamcast 2 exclusive.
Dinin Vorta's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:13
Dinin Vorta
Bravo Jim. Provided Sonic doesn't transform into anything other than Super/Hyper Sonic I'll be putting my hope on the line once more and getting this.

Oh and it better be Dr Robotnik he's fighting. Eggman?! Pfft.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:13
Phoenix Gamma
My problem is that it might be like New Mario Bros. Stale, bland, and overall uninspired. The graphics look kinda ugly so far, and they added the homing attack. Why is that there? Just give me a boost button so I can cruise control my way through a level like the Rush games?

I'm not going to get excited. Not until it's out and it can provethat Sega can still make decent games outside of the stuff SegaWOW puts out.
Pudge Controls the Weather's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:14
Pudge Controls the Weather
The only thing I find annoying is the goddamn animation. But it's only a tiny teaser trailer after all.

I'm so glad it's coming to the Wii as well. It's nice that everyone gets to play it.
Vigilante8's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:17
Vigilante8
Just keep sonic team away from this!
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:19
Xzyliac
While I agree with you Mr. Sterling I find it very ironic you are the one to complain about other people not giving something a chance.

*cough*PSPgo*cough*
*cough*musicgames*cough*
*cough*Lionheadgames*cough*

Don't get me wrong it's nice to see you've found hope in something. But for a franchise that's spent 10 years in the gutter I think the things you bitch about are small in comparison. Especially when so many were calling for the hedgehog to be put down.

But we're on the same side so perhaps I should just enjoy the moment. I'm your fan as always.
VGFreak1225's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:19
VGFreak1225
PREACH, BROTHER JIM, PREACH!

I mentioned this in the last post, but I feel like I should bring it up again.

This is a direct quote from the Gamestop interview with Sega associate brand manager Ken Balough.

[i]GS: Why did you decide to make this a downloadable title?

KB: In recent years, we've seen a huge surge of classic game properties making a return in this arena. [Downloadable] games offer players a chance to play terrific games without breaking the bank. It's also a promise to Sonic fans. We're going to deliver a Genesis-era Sonic game as if it were created today that goes to the core of what classic Sonic fans desire. This means [the fan] gets to judge us on our work each step of the way, and we plan on delivering that goal in a big way. [/i]

"This means [the fan] gets to judge us on our work each step of the way, and we plan on delivering that goal in a big way." Now that sounds like Sega's using the Episodic method as a way of making sure that in case they screw something up in a Episode, they can fix it in the next. Which means Sega is genuinely trying to make sure this is the game the fans want. I don't think any of us are against that.
Trevor McGee's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:20
Trevor McGee
Considering that this is Sega that we're talking about, chances are high that they will fuck this up. But I'm hoping they don't.
SimonM7's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:20
SimonM7
Alright, look, the problems with Sonic has not been the dressing. "Shitty friends!" "RPG elements!" "Werehogs!" "Swords!"

None of those, on a conceptual level, are problems with Sonic. The fact that the games to varying degrees have played horribly is the problem.

Now, that Sega decides to dress this one up as a classic Sonic game, complete with a "4" at the end, does not change the fact that the problem all along has been that they, to varying degrees, have played horribly!

This stuff inspires trust, but it doesn't make it any more likely of being good than Sonic Rivals, Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush. In fact, Advance and Rush were both made by the excellent studio "Dimps", responsible for Street Fighter 4, so that actually explains why those are good games. It doesn't matter if you dress them up in werehog clothes - still good games!

So, there really is no merit at all in quoting all these "classic sonic bits" as reasons to not be weary. I think people who haven't actually kept up with Sonic, haven't played the handheld games and in one fell swoop count the pretty great at the time Adventure and the less great but still reasonably good Adventure 2 in with absolute tripe like Sonic 06 and Shadow The Hedgehog, are the ones that believe "Badniks" will save the day.

It's not that simple.
Toadofsky's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:20
Toadofsky
Hmm, from the pictures, I like what I see.

Sorry though Jim, I'm just a bit skeptical on this one. Though I embrace a 2-D Sonic game wholeheartedly. And while I'm okay with them making it episodic, I hope that since I own a mediocre PC, and just a Wii, that either one of those are supported for this game, and maybe a retail release on the Wii....

I can see they want to make this a test and see if there's interest in it being 2D again (HINT: THERE IS!!), and if it doesn't do well, then, well, we get to see more 3D experiments that keep killing what Sonic was...
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:20
Chad Concelmo
As a retro snob, I approve of this. :)
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:21
bluexy
Sonic has a lot to prove. Can't blame folk for being cynical and pessimistic about a new game when Sega has shit on THEM ever since Sonic 3.
ArcticFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:22
ArcticFox
I dont usually make claims like this, but I get the feeling 90% of the assholes that complain about this game are going to buy it. I'm an asshole and I will be buying it.
Danl Haas's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:22
Danl Haas
At this point, the game is still so vaporous that discussing it at all seems altogether silly. There's nothing to embrace as the second coming, and there's nothing to shit on. "Incredulous" and "Cautiously Optimistic" are about as extreme as reasonable viewpoints can be right now. Let's just wait until they actually give us something to talk about. Like, you know, a videogame.
lwelyk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:23
lwelyk
Sonic 2006 killed any goodwill I could ever have for it.
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:24
bluexy
Damnit, Sterlingtoid loves your balls Jim. 90% of the comments in the announcement thread were hardly positive, and all of a sudden people are called out and have a change of heart?
ICLHStudios's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:24
ICLHStudios
I'm far more optimistic about this than many of the fans out there (I couldn't care less that it's episodic, in fact I think it might work really well if done right), but I have to admit I'm not a fan of the crappy animation, hopefully that will change significantly by the time the game is finished (I doubt it though, because unleashed and black knight had the same problem). The only other problems I have are the lack of tails and knuckles, the addition of the homing attack, as I can't see that as anything other than wussifying the platforming in a 2-D game like this, and the fact that so far it doesn't appear to coming to PC, which is to bad because keyboard trumps controller for 2-D gaming every time. Still, these things may be subject to change and it could still be really good, I'll just have to wait and see.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:26
JACK of No Trades
"I think that shitting on Sonic 4 so harshly after less than ten seconds of game footage and a unique distribution model is not only presumptuous, but very silly indeed."


Your suck a douchebag hypocrite Jim Sterling.
ProperlyParanoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:26
ProperlyParanoid
I'm really optimistic. I wasn't before, but the simple mention of the name "Sonic The Hedgegog 4" makes me smile. Make it happen Sega.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:27
Shadowiii
Good lord I do not understand you people.
You bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch about how you want a 2d Sonic. Every time a new game comes out, people say "bring back the 2d Genesis Sonic!" And each time Sega ignores you.
So now, after YEARS of complaining, you FINALLY get what you've been asking about for YEARS, and what do you do?
You bitch about it.
Sonic fans are the worst ever.
This game looks fantastic, and I don't even give half a crap about Sonic anymore. Color me excited.
klops's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:27
klops
Worst transition ever. Seriously. Who else was bugged out how crappy and slow the 2010 version looked.
RichardBlaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:29
RichardBlaine
Episodic?! Sonic Cycle?! Wah! Wah!
ohno's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:30
ohno
Sonic will never please anyone anymore, it seems.
Majora's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:30
Majora
Bloody well Done Jim, Amazing article. Im fed up too of the bitching, Sega cant possibly mess this time.
PJMan's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:31
PJMan
THANK YOU. Don't forget all the bitching about the character model, the graphics, the music clip not being to their exact liking, and many other things people are trying to use to tear this game apart.

Sonic fans take the fun out of being excited for a Sonic game by shitting all over it D:
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:32
PappaDukes
@Jack - *You're*
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:32
Retrofraction
I know why it is episodic !!!

its cause the wii ware can only take up to 256mb that's why they probably had to split it up.
Caspulex's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:34
Caspulex
Looking forward to it, but the 3D Model does make him appear slow as Strandli said.

Easily repairable with the wheel legs thing he had going on in the Genesis days, though.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:34
Mr Andy Dixon
I'm willing to at least give this one a try before I pass judgement. It might suck, it might be good, and like Jim said, we don't have enough info to know either way yet.

That said, I'm not sure how excited I can see myself getting for this one, even if it turns out to be the "pure" Sonic experience we all hope for. Are retro games fun? Sure, that's why I go back to them time and again. Does that mean I want to pay NEW money for essentially the same games I played in the 80s and 90s? Not really. Even if it does have Mega Man or Sonic in the title.

"Reboot" or not, at its best this game looks a lot like the same Sonic games that I played when I was a kid. It might be elitist of me, but I'm going to say it anyway: my gaming tastes have matured.
TheDRMaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:34
TheDRMaster
I'm still not excited. I'm tired of being burned by Sega. I'll check out the reviews when it comes out, but I'm not aboard this hype-train.
Mentok the Mindtaker's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 16:35
Mentok the Mindtaker
I hate to be the one to bring this up but you realize that your getting pissy about people getting pissy. It's kind of redundant.

In my opinion, I think that episodic content is a bad choice because I'm impatient as fuck and you usually end up shelling out a little more money (Final Fantasy 4: The After Years was a pretty good example). But I won't not play it until I see the actual game-play. (Where I am putting money down that Sega will indeed do yet another dumb thing and make sonic turn into a snake this time, or something equally dumb; because Sega is Sega.)

But that's my opinion. And if you don't like it then you can go straight to Hell, good sir.
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