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As long as publishers and developers are willing to take stances like these without refusing to sell their games to retailers which participate in the used market then yeah, by all means, pirate the living shit out of their games.
They already view you purchasing used or lending games to people as theft/infringement anyhow so just save the money and torrent that shit.
I have zero interest in the used market and I don't participate in it in any way but I just can't stand this holier-than-thou bullshit where this industry seems to think that it's fully exempt from secondary markets. I mean 'cause fuck the history of commerce! Right?
Maybe I'll seed some Volition games today hmmm...
They already view you purchasing used or lending games to people as theft/infringement anyhow so just save the money and torrent that shit.
I have zero interest in the used market and I don't participate in it in any way but I just can't stand this holier-than-thou bullshit where this industry seems to think that it's fully exempt from secondary markets. I mean 'cause fuck the history of commerce! Right?
Maybe I'll seed some Volition games today hmmm...
Steam and Origin are doing it, they are the testbed for the future. Coming to a console near you soon...
And this is a reason why I have no respect for Volition anymore. I loved Saints Row 1 and 2. When it came down to 3...I saw the whole game as a gimmick for dlc. Now this? wow.
EKG is correct. This industry we all pay into (and I do mean pay; $60 is no small sum of money for the majority of people who do enjoy gaming) is absolutely a cyclical one. As much as I love peeling the cling wrap off of a shiny new game, I realize that many people (including myself) would simply be financially unable to experience a variety of titles if the second-hand market ceased to exist.
Frankly, it is somewhat insulting that ANY individual working within the industry would ever be so ignorant to this reality; let alone speak out on it in such a way. Trading games is simply ingrained in the industry; whether it be lending amongst friends, or the businesses that largely survive on their championing of second-hand ownership. It is an open-handed slap in the face to every gamer that has put down their hard-earned cash, or even simply borrowed, a used game (read: everyone), and certainly may have only experienced a developer's title because of the flexibility used gaming offers.
Frankly, it is somewhat insulting that ANY individual working within the industry would ever be so ignorant to this reality; let alone speak out on it in such a way. Trading games is simply ingrained in the industry; whether it be lending amongst friends, or the businesses that largely survive on their championing of second-hand ownership. It is an open-handed slap in the face to every gamer that has put down their hard-earned cash, or even simply borrowed, a used game (read: everyone), and certainly may have only experienced a developer's title because of the flexibility used gaming offers.
Video-games.what-was-once-a-means-of-escape-and-fun-for-people-is-slowly-turning-into-just-as-big-a-headache-as-everything-else-in-the-damn-world.-ahh-the-joys-of-corporate-greed
Steam is great, though. The fact that I can buy a game like Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 for $5 from Steam only a year after it's been released pretty much beats the hell out of buying it used for a console.
If the consoles took the Steam approach and had games at HUGE discounts a year after release, it wouldn't be as big of a problem.
But we all know they won't do that. They'll just fuck people over and offer them at the "discount" price of $49.99
If the consoles took the Steam approach and had games at HUGE discounts a year after release, it wouldn't be as big of a problem.
But we all know they won't do that. They'll just fuck people over and offer them at the "discount" price of $49.99
How many times as a gamer have you got a lend of a game from a friend that you had never any intention of buying,only to run out and buy the next game in series on the first day?I lent morrowind to a friend and because of that he bought morrowind goty,oblivion and all the dlc ,both fallouts and all the dlc's and skyrim.Betheshda got nearly $400 worth of business because of a used game.
Is it just me or does it really look like more companies don't seem to understand or even realise who thier consumer market really is and what they want or need. They concentrate solely on what is best for them and not even if thier product is worth it. Also when statements like these are made they act like nobody knows or understands any part of the business.
I have been purchasing up a lot of older games lately and far too often the only available option is used. Unless you want to spend $400 or more, you gotta do what you gotta do. If used games were not possible, then it becomes worrisome for someone like me, who sometimes picks up older titles. If this happens, then there is literally no incentive for me to check out newer titles by the same developer, especially for games that take place in a series. Now PC gaming works differently and supports a model where games are available from a wide range of years, thanks to digital distribution and reprints from different publishers, and sometimes with (and sometimes without) DRM. If consoles moved over to a model like this, I would not be adamantly opposed, but it would be troublesome and cause me to drift further from consoles.
The solution to his problem already exists: only make your games available through online vendors, like PSN, or Steam.
Dear Mr. Durall: whatever shitty game you made, did you only make it available for online purchase? No? Then shut the fuck up. And don't tell me about "my publisher" blah blah blah because you chose your publisher.
Dear Mr. Durall: whatever shitty game you made, did you only make it available for online purchase? No? Then shut the fuck up. And don't tell me about "my publisher" blah blah blah because you chose your publisher.
I'm primarily a PC gamer and buy all my games, so pirating hadn't even crossed my mind until everyone here brought it up. Seeing as I'm short on my rent this month and apparently $60 is 'pocket change' to this asshole, I think I'm going to go ahead and pirate Saints Row 3. Thanks for setting me on the darker path, volition. Way to screw yourselves on this one. Oh, and since I'll be pirating your game I'm going to go ahead and remove it from my Steam wish list since I'll no longer have to buy it when I get money.
I fully support this. People who buy used games are stealing money away from the developers who worked hard on the games you fucking enjoy so you are WORSE THAN AIDS.
If you can't afford a game brand new, something tells me you have to get your fucking PRIORITIES STRAIGHT. Get a better job, GET A JOB AT ALL, get your mommy to raise your allowance, ETC. But don't point the blame at anyone other than YOURSELF.
If you can't afford a game brand new, something tells me you have to get your fucking PRIORITIES STRAIGHT. Get a better job, GET A JOB AT ALL, get your mommy to raise your allowance, ETC. But don't point the blame at anyone other than YOURSELF.
Man... so many terrible, knee-jerk ideas on how to fight the used games market.
If used games are causing your bottom line THAT much harm, then maybe you should explore avenues that keep your development costs down, or do some research into the cost/benefit of changing the pricing on new releases and DLC, instead of just slapping a $60 price tag on everything and calling it a day.
Maybe.
If used games are causing your bottom line THAT much harm, then maybe you should explore avenues that keep your development costs down, or do some research into the cost/benefit of changing the pricing on new releases and DLC, instead of just slapping a $60 price tag on everything and calling it a day.
Maybe.
@Rammstein Might have been believable, but the super-big font on "worse than AIDS" was a bit of an oversell.
...actually, I dunno but I think the solution exists with DVDs you can buy. I bought a PC copy of Skyrim, on DVD. Even with heavy DRM I like DVDs because it saves download time. To play it I had to register it with Steam, using a code that came in the box. Probably a friend could play it if they had my Steam account info and logged into my Steam account, but this starts to get problematic. Anyway, with online DRM, allowing a game to run from only one or two machines shouldn't be a problem, so we don't need any new technology, just demand everyone have access to the Internet like PC games.
@Rammstein So you're saying that the lower-mid class shouldn't be allowed to have fun? I'd argue why your point is invalid, but you just have to read every other comment on here to understand. Without used games, they may piss off their consumers, but the only people they're actually hurting is themselves.
Gotta love the gaming industry. They drive their own costs up so quickly trying to maximize growth in such a short amount of time that in the course of one console generation, they are so desperate to maintain that growth that they literally cut everything that doesn't have the potential for mega profitability, find a dozen new ways to charge us for the same amount of product, and go after any and all things that stand in the way of further profit regardless of who they screw in doing so.
Here's a thought. Maybe if you guys didn't enter a race to the bottom, pouring more and more money into "AAA" games that cost more and more money to produce until that was the only kind of game you could afford to make, you wouldn't be in this position. You were so obsessed with growth that you focused on anything that promised short term gain, and didn't put half a fuck's worth of thought into how sustainable your business model was.
And now we, the gamers, are the ones that have to bail you out? We have to pay the price because you decided short term profit was more important than long term stability? Fuck that, I'd rather play creatively diverse indie games made by passionate designers than buy into the industry's lust for more money. Me? I just want to watch the world burn.
Here's a thought. Maybe if you guys didn't enter a race to the bottom, pouring more and more money into "AAA" games that cost more and more money to produce until that was the only kind of game you could afford to make, you wouldn't be in this position. You were so obsessed with growth that you focused on anything that promised short term gain, and didn't put half a fuck's worth of thought into how sustainable your business model was.
And now we, the gamers, are the ones that have to bail you out? We have to pay the price because you decided short term profit was more important than long term stability? Fuck that, I'd rather play creatively diverse indie games made by passionate designers than buy into the industry's lust for more money. Me? I just want to watch the world burn.
And that is why I will never buy a Saint's Row game new. If I have to sacrifice content for my personal convenience, so be it.
"and even though the consumers would be up in arms about it at first ... they will grow to understand why and that it won’t kill them,"
Translation: "Consumers will resist us at first. They will kick and scream while we drag them into the dark alley but eventually they'll realize that daddy need his fun too and that they aren't going to die from having their ass ravaged."
Translation: "Consumers will resist us at first. They will kick and scream while we drag them into the dark alley but eventually they'll realize that daddy need his fun too and that they aren't going to die from having their ass ravaged."
@OneRed
Holy Toledo! Agreed. This hugeeeeeeeeee expensive, big-budget gaming is what is killing the industry. Seriously. When it has gotten to a point that you have to sell millions, upon millions, of copies just to turn a profit, enough! It has squashed gaming into this barren wasteland of generic gameplay and toss away stories, all in the interest of maximizing consumer base. It is sad to realize just how little we have actually grown since the old Atari and NES days.
Holy Toledo! Agreed. This hugeeeeeeeeee expensive, big-budget gaming is what is killing the industry. Seriously. When it has gotten to a point that you have to sell millions, upon millions, of copies just to turn a profit, enough! It has squashed gaming into this barren wasteland of generic gameplay and toss away stories, all in the interest of maximizing consumer base. It is sad to realize just how little we have actually grown since the old Atari and NES days.
@Rammstein
"low-form trolling" isnt amusing anyone but you so wipe the poo off yer hands treat the keyboard and yer time with a little more respect.
"low-form trolling" isnt amusing anyone but you so wipe the poo off yer hands treat the keyboard and yer time with a little more respect.
I would not buy an Xbox, PlayStation or Nintendo system that does not allow for used games to be played by handing someone a disc. It's a step too fucking far.
I've been saying for years that the solution is for Valve to release a console (The Steam Engine) that just streams Steam and for licenses to be fully giftable and salable once purchased. You have to give trust and respect to get it in return. If they want a no-used digital future, they have to take a risk and give us more rights to what we buy. Let us own things. This creates confidence that what we're buying has value.
Oh.. so you don't want me buying your game used, sharing it with my family, and then paying $120 or up to support said game if we all enjoy it and want our own copy, Mr. Durall?
Kay. I won't. Love you. Kisses.
Kay. I won't. Love you. Kisses.
Fuck the digital age and fuck Kindle books. Whatever happened to the days when I bought something it was MINE, to lend, to sell, to shove in my asshole if I wanted to. This is ridiculous, I have to get permission to lend someone a book now? If this happens I will be done with videogames.
Fucking morons. As much as Gamestop has shitty trade in value for games that is how some people afford to buy games. Games are expensive to the point I get what I really want and save the rest for Steam sales, Amazon sales, or wait for a price drop. Console players don't have the luxury of buying cheap digital copies (This isn't the topic to talk about how publishers need to start selling digital copies cheaper then their retail counterparts so I'll leave this at that) for extremely cheap and need some trade in value on games. The industry will probably end up collapsing on itself here soon and the only one's to survive will probably be indie devs. To which case and point the industry probably does need another crash to pull publisher's head out of their asses, but by then it will be to late for them hopefully.
This is stupid. Simply put up a game that offers free exclusive DLC to the new buyer. DLC that’s not content from the game that’s locked but new fresh DLC that expands the game (this means shitty costumes don’t count). Then maybe people want new. Or how about making the new version a premium network user that allows better service for new buyers and used buyers get a standard version. It seems that all these companies don't give a damn about anything
Bottom line is this guys and gals. The game industry needs to crash, and crash harder than a mother fucker. I'm thinking gigantic companies like EA need to loose every last single dollar they have made. Only then will they realize the error in their ways and get back to making top quality games. Until something drastic like that happens then we, the consumer, are just gonna get shit on.
Bottom line is this guys and gals. The game industry needs to crash, and crash harder than a mother fucker. I'm thinking gigantic companies like EA need to loose every last single dollar they have made. Only then will they realize the error in their ways and get back to making top quality games. Until something drastic like that happens then we, the consumer, are just gonna get shit on.
@agent9: You can't do that either because what that does is it sets a precedent. Then publishers start to wonder what more can I get by with. Sadly though we are long past that point in online passes. The consumer has proven how much they are willing to be anally raped for a product either because they don't know about the long-term consequences (or just don't know about online passes period) or they just don't care because they don't think it affects them.
How far the mighty have fallen.
I had hopes for you Volition. SR3 killed them, and now this is burying those hopes in an unmarked grave.
I had hopes for you Volition. SR3 killed them, and now this is burying those hopes in an unmarked grave.
Coming from the people who made a game that is *only* worth buying used due to a clinically retarded amount of DLC.
Also, why is the gaming industry apparently the only business that is allowed to bitch incessantly about secondhand use? I don't see Hollywood or Stephen King throwing a shit fit when someone buys or borrows their work from a friend.
I swear that game publishers have to be the most entitled people on the planet.
Also, why is the gaming industry apparently the only business that is allowed to bitch incessantly about secondhand use? I don't see Hollywood or Stephen King throwing a shit fit when someone buys or borrows their work from a friend.
I swear that game publishers have to be the most entitled people on the planet.
Can you even imagine how stupid that lending policy thing would be? I don't even care about the used games; just the idea that you would have to transfer a license for a game for a set time just to LEND A GAME TO A FRIEND... It's insane.
@phantomile
I just *know* what the next step is going to be. A mandatory license authentication whenever you go into multiplayer with someone. Want to play split screen? Too bad, your buddy has to buy the game himself first.
I just *know* what the next step is going to be. A mandatory license authentication whenever you go into multiplayer with someone. Want to play split screen? Too bad, your buddy has to buy the game himself first.
I agree with everything Jim said, although I understand Volition man's frustration. Maybe he wouldn't be so pissed if so many gamers weren't so quick to deprive his company of revenue to save a measly $5, if that.
Now if you will excuse, I'm just gonna go over there and run for my life.
Now if you will excuse, I'm just gonna go over there and run for my life.
I agree with everything Jim said, although I understand Volition man's frustration. Maybe he wouldn't be so pissed if so many gamers weren't so quick to deprive his company of revenue to save a measly $5, if that.
Now if you will excuse, I'm just gonna go over there and run for my life.
Now if you will excuse, I'm just gonna go over there and run for my life.
Wait. So, they only get $60? That's how much I spend when I buy a game...
Am I the only one required to pay for games? You selfish fucks, why am I the one that has to pay?
Am I the only one required to pay for games? You selfish fucks, why am I the one that has to pay?
A console that refuses to play used games will fail and die easily. For example, that would kill gamestop trade in program and will limit users. When the new console generation arrives, if u ask me to choose between a console that play used games and other that not, I will go with the console that play used games for sure.
@Tristan77
Somehow, I have no problem with Gamestop getting screwed for once. We get treated to garbage like online passes and Day 1 DLC largely because of them.
Somehow, I have no problem with Gamestop getting screwed for once. We get treated to garbage like online passes and Day 1 DLC largely because of them.
only sixty bucks?! i could eat for a month on that money(the way i eat and budget myself)
this guy seems to forget that the world is in a reccession and that entertainment goods are a luxuray, not a need. If one is on a tight budget, one will get cheap entertainment or no entertainment at all to pay the bills that are actually important
this guy seems to forget that the world is in a reccession and that entertainment goods are a luxuray, not a need. If one is on a tight budget, one will get cheap entertainment or no entertainment at all to pay the bills that are actually important
Oh Rammstein. By your logic, it would be perfectly acceptable for a game's dev to come into your house and forcably take "their" game out of your sweaty little hands.
After all, if you aren't free to resell it, it isn't technically yours, right? So then it must belong to the person who originally created it... right?
After all, if you aren't free to resell it, it isn't technically yours, right? So then it must belong to the person who originally created it... right?
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