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wait, you need to buy online passes for games bought on the network? wahts the point of that? I thought the whole point was to stop used sales? This also takes away the whole advantage of pricing games cheaper on the store than retail...
Actually they had an online pass for Socom fire team bravo 3 if I'm not mistaken. And as always, the worst thing gaming has done in the last decade is implement this aweful idea.
@Matt Dusza
Because the point was never to curtail used sales, not even a little bit. Online passes have always been a means of double dipping on a single sale; profiting off of the second hand market. The whole "we need online passes because the second hand market is tantamount to theft" argument is PR garbage that has zero factual support./
Anyway, so the retail and digital versions cost the same if you want online features? I'd hesitate to call that balance, its more like a continuation of the imbalance in charging the same amount for the same features when one side of the coin costs quite a bit less to produce.
Because the point was never to curtail used sales, not even a little bit. Online passes have always been a means of double dipping on a single sale; profiting off of the second hand market. The whole "we need online passes because the second hand market is tantamount to theft" argument is PR garbage that has zero factual support./
Anyway, so the retail and digital versions cost the same if you want online features? I'd hesitate to call that balance, its more like a continuation of the imbalance in charging the same amount for the same features when one side of the coin costs quite a bit less to produce.
Not suprised about this. This takes away the point of buying over the PSN. No matter what people say about Microsoft being greedy Sony is far worse. Infact Sony makes more money out of the online sales because they dont have to pay for shipping and stores don't take their cut.
I actually really like this. Seeing as I'll be purchasing my Vita games exclusively from PSN, I like having the option of saving ten dollars if I'm not interested in the online portion of the game.
I think it stinks to a degree but I also echo what zwiki said. Especially for this game. Never have gone online with hot shots, never will.
Disappointing.
@Matt Dusza - It wasn't bought on the network, it was a retail copy. Games bought on PSN won't require an online pass because they are considered as "New".
@Matt Dusza - It wasn't bought on the network, it was a retail copy. Games bought on PSN won't require an online pass because they are considered as "New".
Disappointing.
@Matt Dusza - It wasn't bought on the network, it was a retail copy. Games bought on PSN won't require an online pass because they are considered as "New".
@Matt Dusza - It wasn't bought on the network, it was a retail copy. Games bought on PSN won't require an online pass because they are considered as "New".
Whoops! Obligatory apology for the double post there. Also, I think this online pass for PSP was done before with titles like Socom, I believe. Kinda sucks for a portable that relies much on online play but if MS is charging, its okay.
Dont even bother making a call on this until you see the actual prices on the NA PS store. It may break even when we're looking at conversion rates from japan but that most likely wont be the case when the official NA release hits.
lol, an online pass for a fucking golf game. I'm assuming you could store these digital games on your ps3...otherwise that memory card will get full in no time.
lol, an online pass for a fucking golf game. I'm assuming you could store these digital games on your ps3...otherwise that memory card will get full in no time.
I don't like online passes, but I do like how single and multiplayer costs are split on the PSN. I have no interest in playing Hot Shots online, so I'll save myself some money and digitally purchase this.
Are they...trying to make the Vita fail out of the gate?
@Veron
Learn to read. He says "The retail copy comes with an online pass. Those who buy from the PSN need to purchase the ticket separately."
@Veron
Learn to read. He says "The retail copy comes with an online pass. Those who buy from the PSN need to purchase the ticket separately."
Online passes in general are alienating. I like the idea of different prices for online vs retail, but having to do a second transaction for the online portion would be troublesome for me the consumer.
@Zyk
Sony being worse than Microsoft? You, sir, have been around Microsoft lately, huh? How about Xbox Live just to play online? The PS3, PC, and Wii have that for free, why isn't Live? And don't tell me it's worth it. Is Xbox Live really that different from PC or PS3? PC obliterates Xbox Live, and what does Live have over PSN? Cross game chat, ESPN, an arguable "better" online community, and what? That's it? Bing, YouTube? PS3 has had that way before Live even announced those features. The new dashboard? You're an even idiot. It's so freaking messy and cluttered. The XMB (in my opinion) is much more simpler, and easier to navigate and also easy to look at.
Anyways, on topic. This doesn't really affect me. Most of the games I buy are bought new, so online passes don't anger me. However, I do have to worry about the future of gaming if I don't take any action against this. Online passes may not be that bad right now, but there's a high chance that it will get much worse.
Sony being worse than Microsoft? You, sir, have been around Microsoft lately, huh? How about Xbox Live just to play online? The PS3, PC, and Wii have that for free, why isn't Live? And don't tell me it's worth it. Is Xbox Live really that different from PC or PS3? PC obliterates Xbox Live, and what does Live have over PSN? Cross game chat, ESPN, an arguable "better" online community, and what? That's it? Bing, YouTube? PS3 has had that way before Live even announced those features. The new dashboard? You're an even idiot. It's so freaking messy and cluttered. The XMB (in my opinion) is much more simpler, and easier to navigate and also easy to look at.
Anyways, on topic. This doesn't really affect me. Most of the games I buy are bought new, so online passes don't anger me. However, I do have to worry about the future of gaming if I don't take any action against this. Online passes may not be that bad right now, but there's a high chance that it will get much worse.
The entire gaming industry is turning into Ryanair: Would you like Singe player? £12 please sir (or fucktart, as sir is not in Ryanair staff's vocabulary). How about the option to use the right analog stick? £4 please. Would you like the options menu? How about sound? English dialogue? Travel insurance? Extra cabin bag? Skiing equipment?
...I've lost the plot...
...I've lost the plot...
Wait....You have a pass to play online from a retail game.
...But...The DIGITAL version, you buy ONLINE, needs the pass to play ONLINE?
Well...I'm okay with passes to an extent, but making you buy one when you purchase an online version of the game?
Fuck that, and fuck you Sony.
I will not buy any game digitally if I need to buy a separate pass to play online. Heck, I'll refuse to buy a retail copy out of protest.
No game is worth you taking it in the ass.
...But...The DIGITAL version, you buy ONLINE, needs the pass to play ONLINE?
Well...I'm okay with passes to an extent, but making you buy one when you purchase an online version of the game?
Fuck that, and fuck you Sony.
I will not buy any game digitally if I need to buy a separate pass to play online. Heck, I'll refuse to buy a retail copy out of protest.
No game is worth you taking it in the ass.
FUCK ONLINE Passes
the fact that after Uncharted 3 sony will now start putting online passes makes me sick.
they were times i have to re input a code multiple times just because the network doesn't recognize me.
remember the batman arkham asylum dlc pass not working??
or how about EA games pass code expiring???
soo many wrong things about bullshit online passes it makes me sick that sony and more and more publishers will be going into this route.
next generation may be my last gaming if BS like this keeps up
the fact that after Uncharted 3 sony will now start putting online passes makes me sick.
they were times i have to re input a code multiple times just because the network doesn't recognize me.
remember the batman arkham asylum dlc pass not working??
or how about EA games pass code expiring???
soo many wrong things about bullshit online passes it makes me sick that sony and more and more publishers will be going into this route.
next generation may be my last gaming if BS like this keeps up
Really, for Sony, the online pass is nothing but a sign their online strategy has failed and so has Playstation Plus, which was a half-assed solution to start with.
You don't see MS pulling this shit and that's because this is what Xbox Live is for. If PSN was more like live, they wouldn't even be able to put the likes of Naughty Dog up to such lameshit excuses for the online passes.
Its true that third parties do online passes on Live, but its EA, THQ and the other usual suspects that do it on PSN and Steam as well. MS themselves don't to it because they had back-up plan for revenue
Nintendo has a back-up plan, too. Its called making great games with lots of content for a good price. Crazy, I know, but it works.
Sony has more or less un-sold me on a Vita entirely and sold me on the next Xbox, Wii U and Steam for next generation. With Team Ico fading after The Last Guardian anyway I see no reason to stick with them after PS3. Its all gone downhill since the day the backed out of PS2 backward compatibility and just gotten worse from there.
What other platform holders give, Sony takes away.
You don't see MS pulling this shit and that's because this is what Xbox Live is for. If PSN was more like live, they wouldn't even be able to put the likes of Naughty Dog up to such lameshit excuses for the online passes.
Its true that third parties do online passes on Live, but its EA, THQ and the other usual suspects that do it on PSN and Steam as well. MS themselves don't to it because they had back-up plan for revenue
Nintendo has a back-up plan, too. Its called making great games with lots of content for a good price. Crazy, I know, but it works.
Sony has more or less un-sold me on a Vita entirely and sold me on the next Xbox, Wii U and Steam for next generation. With Team Ico fading after The Last Guardian anyway I see no reason to stick with them after PS3. Its all gone downhill since the day the backed out of PS2 backward compatibility and just gotten worse from there.
What other platform holders give, Sony takes away.
Are you kidding me? I thought Sony had finally caught on when they priced downloadable versions cheaper than retail, but they actually secretly cost the same. That's just a slimy practice right there. The whole advantage of buying digital is that it's cheaper.
I'm not going to go extremist, and say that this will be the end of the Vita, but I want a Vita, and every day Sony just keeps making it harder and harder for me to justify saving money for one.
I'm not going to go extremist, and say that this will be the end of the Vita, but I want a Vita, and every day Sony just keeps making it harder and harder for me to justify saving money for one.
online passes:
destroying the industry one fucking game at a time.
does sony, ea, ect know they are shooting themselves in the foot and killing online multiplayer?
what if i want a refund because i don't play online and bought the game new at retail? i have no choice to opt out but can if the i buy if from the ps store? thats BULLSHIT.
so they need to deduct that price from the end sale if i so choose to not want any online lag fest dick measuring contest playing a pedophiles version of golf.
need an online pass to play dead space 2 online, and guess what, not one fucking person is playing it online at this very moment.
they are killing replay value all together.
here's the next hairbrained idea soon to be talked about. charging for playing the game after already beating it.
destroying the industry one fucking game at a time.
does sony, ea, ect know they are shooting themselves in the foot and killing online multiplayer?
what if i want a refund because i don't play online and bought the game new at retail? i have no choice to opt out but can if the i buy if from the ps store? thats BULLSHIT.
so they need to deduct that price from the end sale if i so choose to not want any online lag fest dick measuring contest playing a pedophiles version of golf.
need an online pass to play dead space 2 online, and guess what, not one fucking person is playing it online at this very moment.
they are killing replay value all together.
here's the next hairbrained idea soon to be talked about. charging for playing the game after already beating it.
Remember when Conrad made the [valid] point that online passes could cheapen games for people like him, who just want to play Single Player? Looks like it finally happened on the PS Vita Storefront.
As for me:
FUCK. ONLINE. PASSES.
As for me:
FUCK. ONLINE. PASSES.
In this one instance, it sounds good to me.
I have no interest what so ever in playing hotshots online, so il be picking up the digital version to save some extra bucks.
Thanks Dale.
I have no interest what so ever in playing hotshots online, so il be picking up the digital version to save some extra bucks.
Thanks Dale.
You know, having recently gone portable-only, I was considering getting a Vita.
But not if they're going to pull shenanigans like this.
But not if they're going to pull shenanigans like this.
"Those that buy the game from the PlayStation Store have to buy this ticket separately."
@Dale
How did you test this when you have a retail version?!?!?!?!?!?!??
@Dale
How did you test this when you have a retail version?!?!?!?!?!?!??
@ Silent but the SNES and N64 didn't have networking capability, so I don't get your point about Nintendo :-/
I actually don't mind this. With the exception of Halo and some RTS games, I don't really play online. I don't mind having games priced cheaper without the multiplayer pass included.
@liddokun and you had to pay for expansion packs, rumble packs if you wanted them....go figure. I think this is fine if I don't care about online play, just like EA did with Fight night Champions.
There were PSP games with online passes long before it became common on consoles, that's where Sony initially tested the waters. It never became too prevalent because they pretty much stopped supporting the PSP, but it was inevitable that it would continue on PSV.
@Zyk
Uh, what? Sony and an online pass makes them worse than Microsoft with their proprietary everything, charging for peer-to-peer online play, oh and online passes?
Uh, what? Sony and an online pass makes them worse than Microsoft with their proprietary everything, charging for peer-to-peer online play, oh and online passes?
@Oishidesu,
you so crazy.
PSN always was, is and always will be worse than XBL. do you guys even know who started online passes? Sony. do you know what network pushed other publishers into online passes? PSN.
Sony's bullshit policies regarding PSN pushed publishers into Online Passes, not second-hand market. which also later pushed online passes on 360 and PC users.
Sony's policy is to not only push all online expenses on 3rd parties(all servers for multiplayer games, leaderboards must be run by publishers of those games), 3rd parties also have to pay for space on PS Store and additional % from each sold copy of the game via PSN. the only thing that sony handles themselves are PSN accounts servers and main PS Store servers. even servers for Sony published games are handled by developers of those games. on the other hand there's Microsoft that offers free servers and Xbox Live infrastructure to every publisher. EVERYTHING regarding online is handled by MS free of charge - that's the reason for Xbox Live fee.
another is the fact that each country with official Xbox Live service have their entire infrastructure with exclusive game servers, entire Xbox Live Marketplace and all of XBL features build within the territory of that country. it's not like with PSN, where all of their infrastructure is in some no-name vilage in US FOR ENTIRE PSN(europe, US and asia).
let's not forget the fact that everything is unified in Xbox Live instead some PSN bullshit made by 5 year olds. let's not forget that "quality" of online experience on ps3 with ridiculous lags and time spend downloading anything from updates to games and patches that takes forever.
you so crazy.
PSN always was, is and always will be worse than XBL. do you guys even know who started online passes? Sony. do you know what network pushed other publishers into online passes? PSN.
Sony's bullshit policies regarding PSN pushed publishers into Online Passes, not second-hand market. which also later pushed online passes on 360 and PC users.
Sony's policy is to not only push all online expenses on 3rd parties(all servers for multiplayer games, leaderboards must be run by publishers of those games), 3rd parties also have to pay for space on PS Store and additional % from each sold copy of the game via PSN. the only thing that sony handles themselves are PSN accounts servers and main PS Store servers. even servers for Sony published games are handled by developers of those games. on the other hand there's Microsoft that offers free servers and Xbox Live infrastructure to every publisher. EVERYTHING regarding online is handled by MS free of charge - that's the reason for Xbox Live fee.
another is the fact that each country with official Xbox Live service have their entire infrastructure with exclusive game servers, entire Xbox Live Marketplace and all of XBL features build within the territory of that country. it's not like with PSN, where all of their infrastructure is in some no-name vilage in US FOR ENTIRE PSN(europe, US and asia).
let's not forget the fact that everything is unified in Xbox Live instead some PSN bullshit made by 5 year olds. let's not forget that "quality" of online experience on ps3 with ridiculous lags and time spend downloading anything from updates to games and patches that takes forever.
Thankfully for two things
I avoid online pass games like the plague!
and
This isn't Superswing Golf (See: Pangya) so I don't care*!
*Sorry Hotshots, Sorry Tigerwoods, Sorry Insert whatever other golf related games there are.
I avoid online pass games like the plague!
and
This isn't Superswing Golf (See: Pangya) so I don't care*!
*Sorry Hotshots, Sorry Tigerwoods, Sorry Insert whatever other golf related games there are.
this is simply not true at all. You do not need online pass for PSN games. Online pass is only for retail games and you get one included.
so no separate purchase for PSN games.
so no separate purchase for PSN games.
@Magnalon,
not really. sony did that in japan with many titles long before other publishers even started thinking about online passes. same goes to closing servers of console games.
plus it doesn't change a thing - sony dumping all of online expenses on 3rd parties pushed them into Online Passes. not to mention all those policies regarding ability to close online servers for any game completely less than 6 months after launch of those games.
sony scammed loads of people in japan when they first released on ps3 full-priced online-only games/MMOs with subscription just to close servers of those games less than 12 months after release(some weren't even out for more than 9 months). and all that while they were still officially selling those games.
not really. sony did that in japan with many titles long before other publishers even started thinking about online passes. same goes to closing servers of console games.
plus it doesn't change a thing - sony dumping all of online expenses on 3rd parties pushed them into Online Passes. not to mention all those policies regarding ability to close online servers for any game completely less than 6 months after launch of those games.
sony scammed loads of people in japan when they first released on ps3 full-priced online-only games/MMOs with subscription just to close servers of those games less than 12 months after release(some weren't even out for more than 9 months). and all that while they were still officially selling those games.
@The Silent Protagonist
Because there arent online passes at all for Xbox Live games too? Get a fucking clue dude.
Because there arent online passes at all for Xbox Live games too? Get a fucking clue dude.
lol at anyone who sees this a good thing. This is false advertisement for the price of the game. You BUY the game on PSN store, then you have to spend more money. This is just going to pull people in who think they're getting a good deal.
No, you're 100%, 1000%, 10000% wrong here.
The online pass is INCLUDED with all Digital versions.
I purchased the digital version and it DOES come with the online pass. It shows as already downloaded, and purchased, but I never actually got the item.
The online pass is INCLUDED with all Digital versions.
I purchased the digital version and it DOES come with the online pass. It shows as already downloaded, and purchased, but I never actually got the item.
@Seph
He's talking about FIRST party Sony games.
Gears of War 3 does not have an online pass. Fable III did not have an online pass.
He's talking about FIRST party Sony games.
Gears of War 3 does not have an online pass. Fable III did not have an online pass.
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