According to a NeoGAF post from a Visceral Games employee- "It is a shame that no one bought this (Dead Space Extraction). As much as everyone made fun of Frank Gibeau's 'experiment', it will actually influence the SKU plan with respect to the Wii". So I guess we'll be seeing less games like DSE on the Wii from here on out, but is that a bad thing?
Dead Space Extraction is a good game with a few fantastic moments, but it's missing a lot of stuff that has proven to sell "M" rated games, on the Wii or otherwise. For example, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles (which sold over a million copies) had a lot more content than DSE, despite being in the same genre. Likewise, DSE lacks the creative magnificence of No More Heroes (which sold well enough to get an awesome looking sequel), as well as the name recognition of the Call of Duty games (two of which sold over a mil on the Wii) and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (which also is a Wii million seller).
So I say to EA, you're right, don't make more games like DSE. If you want people to buy a $50 game in this highly competitive market, make sure it's a creative masterpiece, over 12 hours long, and/or carries a big name brand. No more of this "Our market research has shown that on-rails games are Wii friendly!" crap. Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles has proven to be the exception, not the rule, when it comes to sales in that genre.
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4:00 AM on 10.20.2009
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Who in the world could have foreseen this? Well, I mean...except for anyone with half a brain.
Now, DSE ain't bad. Far from it. It's just really generic. And while with UC you never felt like you were playing a watered down version of the original series(mainly because they kept it attached to games that ALSO featured clunky, limited gameplay) and with Overkill you felt a huge improvement over its predecessors, DSE just doesn't stand that well when compared to the original.
Besides, I don't like when a single game is a franchise before being release. DS is not a bad offender(besides being a great game) but they could've traveled more secure waters and stablished the franchise further before going all "alternative on the Wii"
It's got a fantastic and creative weapon set (mostly inherited from it's predecessor but with some new stuff.). Solid and entertaining mechanics with 8 hours of continuous excellence along with an addition 10 pure combat levels and we should discourage people from making this?
Also generic? How many space themed lightgun games are there...I can think of Space Gun and the handful of Alien games which are a mixed bag - what do you want another *shoot some people then shoot the boss* games?
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles was fine - sure it got cheap and frustrating and quite a few of the bosses were ridiculously bland and repetitive (the giant snake). Sure there wasn't really much of a plot other then what was derived from the previous titles but it's still good right!? Yet some how an 8 hour rollercoaster ride of a light gun game isn't able to approach this flawless masterpiece?
p.s. Gavin how is a light gun game a port of a 3rd person survival horror game featuring completely different protagonists in a totally different timeline?
With RE:UC, you could just 'pick up and play' and get rewarded for your efforts. That's why the stories were slight recaps and the pacing was constantly changing gears. It knew it was a light gun game at heart and the brand didn't matter. DSE pretended it was something it wasn't and suffered for for its beliefs.
also the main problem here is that games like these sell a significant amount of sales on other consoles, the original dead space pulled out decent numbers and its a shame the same cant be done in the wii despite the larger audience
to add a more extreme example, games like valkyria chronicles and demon's souls, despite being absolutely no name in the industry and being targeted to a niche audience, managed exceed sales expectations
http://www.destructoid.com/atlus-re-stocks-demon-s-souls-deluxe-editions-all-gone--152463.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/valkyria-chronicles-sales-jump-400-due-to-price-cut-135532.phtml
this seems to suggest that games on either the ps3 or the xbox360 are able to pull out decent numbers as long as they are good
in my opinion, the poor sales of hardcore games combined with the weaker hardware (which makes ports of ps3/xbox360 games extremely difficult) is whats destroying the 3rd party support on the wii
pl0x kthnxbai
As far as comparing Dead Space and Dead Space Extraction, you can't really do it. One is a 5-7 hour on rails shooter, and the other is a 12-15 hour third person, free roaming survival horror game. If EA had made Dead Space Extraction play like the original, then yeah, but as it is, they are apples and oranges.
And anyways, blaming the console or the audience for your game not selling is ridiculous. It's the game's fault, always. If the game is good enough, or appealing enough, people will buy it. They will buy the console just to own the game if they have to. Otherwise, they'll spend their money elsewhere.
It's really not much more complicated than that.
ITS A FUCKING WII GAME
Unless you're Zelda, Mario, or Metroid, yeah you're "hardcore" experience isn't going to sell worth shit.
This, though it might be a solid game, just doesn't interest me. It reminds me of Mad Dog Mcgree and not in a good way. I ultimately don't care of it's the best looking/sounding/hardcore/etc.s game on the Wii - I just a game that's interesting to me, and this really doesn't. But, that's just me.
To say this "situation is destroying the 3rd party support on the Wii", though - LOL!
should we supposed bland shit like carnival games are better?
my point was that those games despite being targeted towards a niche audience managed to pull out numbers that exceeded expectations
your right about NMH team probably made more money, yet their game didnt really have prodction values as high as VC, is also noteworthy the fact valkyria reached those numbers way faster than NMH did
to be honest i think you were a bit harsh with DE, the general consensus among critics is that the game is a solid and enjoyable experience, if we step away from your review for a minute and look into the metascore, we can see the game has a score similar to games like... infamous, yet infamous managed to pull out better sales (not extremely good but good nonetheless)
blaming demographics here is a valid point, a console targeted to a different audience will obviously have a different audience, thats the case of the wii
now its not like this issue cant be fixed, but it wont fix itself, nintendo should do the same thing sony did once they lost the legendary 3rd party support that were present on both the ps1 and the ps2, find new 2nd party devs, nintendo should also try to aim its console towards more avid gamers, im not saying they should leave the casual market, im just saying they should expand it
pl0x kthanxbai
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Tbh, I didn't even buy Umbrella Chronicles... But I have a Wii, so I'm willing to buy any great games that appeal to me. Atm I think the next ones will be Metroid: The Other M and Epic Mickey.
My problem with DSE isn't DSE at all. It's the fact that the Wii library sucks so bad I really couldn't care about the majority of Wii titles right now if I wanted to. And I do but a light gun shooter (again) isn't enough to make me dust off my white box of sadness.
Not to say these shitty Wii games can't exist. They are just as popular now as shitty no name PS2 games were. However the PS2 was counterbalanced with good games and an eager community of developers. My lil' bro and I were looking at Wii games on Gamefly an literally on the floor laughing at the selection. The only good Wii titles that I can think of are the new Super Mario Bros. (whatever the hell it's called) and Epic Mickey.
If DSE wasn't a light gun game AND a spinoff I actually might have cared. Neither one of those things really offends me. However you put them together and put them on the Wii and I instantly get deja vu of every other Wii game.
Good recent Wii titles. And by "I can think of," I mean just that. I'm not claiming to know the whole release lineup.
Ah that statement might be true, if it wasn't totally false. HOTD 2&3/RE:UC are on-rails shooters and both of them have sold well over a million, so since when is being a million seller, not selling well? I guess only when it comes to Wii games, because when a 360/PS3 game reaches a million, its automatically considered to be a huge AAA hit.
If they're so disappointed with the sales, than why didn't they advertise the game? I haven't seen one TV commercial for the game, so what do they expect? You have to advertise your game, if you want it to sell well. I seen plenty of Dead Space ads for the 360 last year, so why do they think that they don't need to advertise their core Wii games as well?
Whatever. I'm not convinced this title would have sold well even if people didn't poke fun at it so much.
You know why the game didnt sell. Because they didn't market it. OHH HAVE SOME INNERNET VIDEOS. No,stupids, don't give me internet videos, because... i'm not on the internet 24 hours a day.
I watch some of adult swim. Mostly everyday. You know how many DS:E commercials I saw? none. I didn't even know the game was out yet.
You know how many Batman, Brutal Legend, Borderlands, ODST commercials I saw? A WHOLE LOT.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out if you don't market to the crowd you are trying to sell to, you aren't going to sell anything.
I thought companies knew how to do it right these days. When you throw a mediocre half assed (thats worse, btw) at something, you aren't allowed to turn around and say "HURR DURR ITS NOT US IT MUST BE DA CAWNSOLS!"
Stupid idiots.
If we follow this trend of "great game that was not mass marketed doesn't sell well" trend, then we will literally stop seeing major studio titles with any substance within a few years... and not just on the Wii.
The game publishing industry really needs a revolution.
Also, the boxart was fucking stupid.
I hope UC fails, the only reason the first one sold well is because capcom promised a "REAL" RE game on the wii if it sold well, but now they are money hores and will do anything to make a quick buck
The fact of the matter is the product is not worth the price. I have a wii. I like on rails shooters. I like the idea of Dead Space, haven't played the original, but I totally will at some point. I knew about this game, watched the videos, read the reviews etc.
I'm the ideal target market for this game and I haven't even considered buying it, it's not even on my rental queue of 40+ games right now.
It is on rails, which means I simply won't get that many hours of entertainment out of it. Meaning it's literally not worth more than $20 to me.
No offence to the Wii. Honestly, I wanted it to succeed as a hardcore machine. FPS games are way great on it. But people need to realize what is has become: a kiddy and soccer mom machine.
Tell me an "M" rated game that has potential mass market appeal on the Wii that doesn't suck.
Madworld = Great game but is too eccentric for the masses
No More Heroes = See Madworld
Conduit = Sucks
DSE = It's suppose to be decent, but nobody plays rail shooters anymore.
$39 or $49 is the sweet spot for Wii games as I do fell like most Wii games are not really complete games.
And ''more content'' had nothing to do with why Resident Evil outsold Dead Space. I mean Resident Evil is a HUGE brand. Huge. This was what, dead space second game? So I doubt content had ANYTHING to do with it, when pretty much anything with resident evil on is bound to sell bucket loads.
Oh and at gavin, calling this a ''port'': You clearly haven't played the game if you think it's a simple port.
Anyway, this shows how retarded some ''gamers'' can be. Bitch about no mature wii games, wii games being for kids and casuals and mini game fests, and then when it comes time to back up your words and splash some cash, you all bottle out. well done.
well I'm glad I brought this, it was one of my favourite games this year. And fuck you, gaming community, for letting a good game die at retail.
This game was amazing, and one of my games of the year. If you have a wii and didn't get this, you have NO right to bitch when peo
Walking through the Wii section is like walking through shovelware city. By the time I was finished looking, I was laughing so hard.
I just gave up. My Wii will be as it always was: a Wii Sports/Tatsunoko vs Capcom machine.
How am I supposed to take Wii gaming seriously when 90% of it's development community doesn't? Will I buy the occasional Wii game? Yes I will. Will I ever take the Wii as seriously as my PS3/360? Not in a million years.
Yes, the wii has a TONNE of shitty games. But when someone makes a genuine effort to make a good, mature game, and you just laugh and go back to playing wii sports? That makes you one of the problems. You are the one helping wii become ''shovelware city'' because when someone makes a genuine effort, you just don't give a shit, so don't complain about it when you are one fo the people letting down us wii mature owners who hope for more and actually try to make it happen.
don't blame me; blame the developers.
On rail shooters are not mature games. And why should I have to wade through a pile of crappy games to get to the gems.
Sony let me know that Uncharted 2 was an awesome game with their marketing. MS basically rams Halo down everyone's throat when a new game in the series comes out.
Wii marketing *crickets*
And for someone who doesn't care about the Wii, I went through great expense to import Tatsunoko vs Capcom. I was all over Capcom, letting them know I would support TvC again with a purchase if they brought it stateside.
Tell me, what have you done for the Wii lately? As a "core" gamer, I've done more for the Wii than it has EVER done for me.
It doesn't make logical sense, but it happens.
"Back" in junior high? Did you ever leave?
You didn't read read my post, or you'd know it is correct. Look at M rated games on the Wii. Look at games geared for hardcore gamers. They aren't selling jack, except one (Super Smash Brothers). If you pulled your head out of your ass and saw the real world, you'd know why I'm dismayed here.
And I actually did see a lot of potential in the Wii, hell, I even sold my friends on it. The ideas at work were downright revolutionary. Unfortunately (or not unfortunately for nintendo's bank account), Nintendo realized they could make more money developing games for gullable moms and kids instead of the hardcore gamers, so they took that route.
Putting M rated games on the Wii doesn't make sense anymore. It's like the Avatars on the Xbox: It's for a completely different market then the system is geared towards. The Wii does great for families and children, but is pretty barren for the hardcore gamers. The Xbox tends to do better with the hardcore, with attempts towards casual gamers generally failing (even XBLA isn't really "casual.")
It's unfortunate, sure, and will piss people off because frequenters to this site are usually hardcore gamers, but it is the truth.
I wouldn't say developers should stop making "mature" (damn, what the hell does that word mean anymore?) games for the system. If its a good game people will hear about it because it deserved it. None of the M rated games on the system doesn't warrant much of the hype and appears to me after playing them that they went for the "hardcore demographic" just for the sake of it. They only magnified the sallowness of it.
let me put it this way
is not like the wii lacks hardcore games, but you find em in less quantities and less quality than on other consoles
to give you a somewhat arbitrary example, the only game with a score of 90 or more in metacritic this year for the wii is metroid trylogy, a game that by this point should feel like a big deja-vu for any nintendo fan which probably have already played all of metroid games
the ps3 has gotten around 6
uncharted
killzone
fifa
mlb
street fighter
batman
the xbox360 also got a significant number of excellent games
all this without mentioning great games with scores of 80 or more
you see, unfortunately the other consoles simply offers more and i think nintendo should do something about it
It ca combination of reasons
Lack of advertising: Even Valkyria suffered from this one.
The exodus of unsatisfied hardcore gamers from Wii to 360 and PS3
Import games: Here's where the true gems of Wii are hidden, but you have to go to extremes the mod your Wii and play them.
Like I said elsewhere, the only people to blame are Nintendo themselves. Developers have lost faith in Nintendo and naturally have left Wii Town, to the village idiot casuals and shovelware fingersmiths. Things would have been so different, had Nintendo released a Wii hard drive early on, made a Wii demo service available. It all stems from the Wii's design. I still remember when Wii was announced, and Nintendo said about the 512mb onboard memory. I was like, WTF are they thinking, and i'm sure many devs cried and laugh at it too. I knew, that while the Wii interface would sell it well, the games (and 1st/3rd party devs in turn), would suffer due to the lack of new tech, hard drive etc, that made Xbox development so sweet. Naturally, Nintendo still think they are the only game in town, when the goal posts had moved, and I feel that the next gen might be their last, if they don't wise up.
Never mind, Visceral. At least you tried.