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Video game villains are important tools when it comes to keeping one’s interest in a narrative.
THIS. It applies to most any game!
THIS. It applies to most any game!
Ganondorf definitely made sense in Wind Waker, it was Twilight Princess where his presence was asinine. He comes out of left field and you have to face him. It's like Nintendo really just wanted to remake Link to The Past, but forgot that someone actually resurrected the guy.
Regardless of how disappointing the conclusion of Twilight Princess is, the battle is pretty epic. Ganon is a significant villain, but he's too played out. I like him in 5 of his games, but the other villains are cool.
Try giving Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks a shot. You'll see that Bellum and Malladus are amazing. Hell, even Vaati is cool as fuck.
Regardless of how disappointing the conclusion of Twilight Princess is, the battle is pretty epic. Ganon is a significant villain, but he's too played out. I like him in 5 of his games, but the other villains are cool.
Try giving Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks a shot. You'll see that Bellum and Malladus are amazing. Hell, even Vaati is cool as fuck.
Majora's Mask is the best Zelda game imo, for both gameplay and narrative reasons.
Phantom's Hourglass is my second least favorite Zelda game, behind only the original. Bellum is the most boring villain in the entire series, and at the end the story pulls a Link's Awakening ex machina. I've yet to play Spirit Tracks but will eventually.
I'm guessing you haven't played Four Sword Adventures, as it pulls a similar move to TP, but in a more organic way.
Minish Cap, Link's Awakening, the DS games, & Majora's Mask are unfortunately the only games that do not have Ganondorf as the main villain.
SKYWARD SWORD SPOILERS:
I believe Nintendo has already said that Ganondorf is not in it. So celebrate!
Phantom's Hourglass is my second least favorite Zelda game, behind only the original. Bellum is the most boring villain in the entire series, and at the end the story pulls a Link's Awakening ex machina. I've yet to play Spirit Tracks but will eventually.
I'm guessing you haven't played Four Sword Adventures, as it pulls a similar move to TP, but in a more organic way.
Minish Cap, Link's Awakening, the DS games, & Majora's Mask are unfortunately the only games that do not have Ganondorf as the main villain.
SKYWARD SWORD SPOILERS:
I believe Nintendo has already said that Ganondorf is not in it. So celebrate!
@KingSigy, I just got done reading your blog post and it was a nice reminder of how cool Ganondorf actually was towards the end of Windwaker!
I'll give them a shot. A friend has been trying to get me to to play them for a long time.
@Intercept, thank you for that info. I was already excited about Skyward Sword, but now I'm even more so!
I'll give them a shot. A friend has been trying to get me to to play them for a long time.
@Intercept, thank you for that info. I was already excited about Skyward Sword, but now I'm even more so!
Nice to see the love for Majora's Mask. So damn weird and creepy. I feel like I want to do a post on how mysterious that game was and how it was a real curveball from Nintendo, but it's pretty much covered here. Kudos.
The only Zelda games I've played are OoT, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass and Twilight Princess. I haven't played Majora's Mask (after reading your description of it I might download it soon) but the whole Zant story in twilight princess, like you said, is really cool. He was an intriguing character and had a nice back story. In fact, I loved the whole back story to do with Midna and Zant and the tribe or whatever that they belonged to! It was a cool side of Zelda I hadn't seen before.
I don't have that high hopes for Skyward Sword. In my opinion I don't like the 'combination of TP and WW' art style of it (after experiencing the awesome darkness of Twilight Princess), and that's coming from someone who absolutely LOVED Wind Waker. Well, I guess I'll have to wait for it to come out before I can fully say how I feel about the latest iteration of Hyrule.
I don't have that high hopes for Skyward Sword. In my opinion I don't like the 'combination of TP and WW' art style of it (after experiencing the awesome darkness of Twilight Princess), and that's coming from someone who absolutely LOVED Wind Waker. Well, I guess I'll have to wait for it to come out before I can fully say how I feel about the latest iteration of Hyrule.
@naveenwf, it's honestly, in my opinion, the best Zelda game, period.
I love everything about it. The creepy face on the moon. The fact that if you watch it on the third day, you'll see it's slowly moving closer and closer to the surface. Skull Kid and his hyper active brand of evil. The dungeons, weapons, characters, music... EVERYTHING!
It's one of two N64 games I still own mint in the box.
I love everything about it. The creepy face on the moon. The fact that if you watch it on the third day, you'll see it's slowly moving closer and closer to the surface. Skull Kid and his hyper active brand of evil. The dungeons, weapons, characters, music... EVERYTHING!
It's one of two N64 games I still own mint in the box.
This makes me want to go finish Majora's Mask. It is one of the 3 Zelda games I have never beaten/played. Zelda 2 and Spirit Tracks are the others but those are not considered the best of the series so I never bothered.
@Intercept Phantom Hourglass is pretty much a remake of Link's Awakening anyways just with some Wind Waker thrown in.
@Intercept Phantom Hourglass is pretty much a remake of Link's Awakening anyways just with some Wind Waker thrown in.
Nice blog, I also do not like Ganondorf. I have yet to finish OoT, but I played through a decent amount to figure out that I don't care for him. He was good in WW, but in TP he was garbage. Nintendo just pulled him out to make the game even more like OoT than it already was. Zant was great though, Skull Kid too. I wish that they appeared more like Ganondorf. The most recurring villain besides Ganondorf is Vaati, and he has only appeared in the Four Swords games sadly.
Skyward Sword takes place before OoT so hopefully we can see an old villain or anyone who isn't Ganondorf, maybe even the origin of Majora's Mask (which is rumored to be created by the Twili). We know about Ghirahim, but I doubt that he is the main baddy in the game.
@KingSigy
I thought Bellum was horrible, there was nothing good about him at all. The only good thing about him was the fight with him before the final boss.
Skyward Sword takes place before OoT so hopefully we can see an old villain or anyone who isn't Ganondorf, maybe even the origin of Majora's Mask (which is rumored to be created by the Twili). We know about Ghirahim, but I doubt that he is the main baddy in the game.
@KingSigy
I thought Bellum was horrible, there was nothing good about him at all. The only good thing about him was the fight with him before the final boss.
Totally agree. I think Nintendo should give Ganondorf a break for at least a decade of zelda games. He was only introduced to be a conduit for Ganon, but even after only appearing once, he practically became the de facto zelda villain, and even only appearing in 3 or so major zelda games, he's pretty much the first person to come to mind when you think "zelda antagonist." Personally I'd like to see Vaati make an appearance in a major zelda game.
love it.
dude, you captured my very soul in this piece. I never imagined that among the hordes of morons who want to bum ganon, there may be a person like myself who loved majoras mask and hated TP.
I also felt that ocarina of time was not that great, but here's the stinker. it was pretty much a remake of ocarina of time, with a few things switched around.
I've played zelda since the very first installment. apart from number 2 but then you understand that, right?
the first one was amazing and had me casting my candle on tree after tree for hours on end. there was nothing much in the way of story though. zelda 3 fixed that and made me fall in love with a concept. the characters, the story, the music. then ocarina of time came along and ripped it off. it always makes me sore when i see people worship OOT when I am all the time in full knowledge that it has stolen the thunder of what was the true masterpiece.
and ganon was a fat pig beast. not some stupid guy with a big nose and a beard.
dude, you captured my very soul in this piece. I never imagined that among the hordes of morons who want to bum ganon, there may be a person like myself who loved majoras mask and hated TP.
I also felt that ocarina of time was not that great, but here's the stinker. it was pretty much a remake of ocarina of time, with a few things switched around.
I've played zelda since the very first installment. apart from number 2 but then you understand that, right?
the first one was amazing and had me casting my candle on tree after tree for hours on end. there was nothing much in the way of story though. zelda 3 fixed that and made me fall in love with a concept. the characters, the story, the music. then ocarina of time came along and ripped it off. it always makes me sore when i see people worship OOT when I am all the time in full knowledge that it has stolen the thunder of what was the true masterpiece.
and ganon was a fat pig beast. not some stupid guy with a big nose and a beard.
You know, I only just finally finished Twilight Princess a few days ago, and I'll admit, it definitely left me wanting more, especially from Ganondorf himself. The fight was cool and everything, but he was just tacked on at the end. Zant had more backstory, and Midna was a more interesting counterpart to Zelda. I'm not immune to the nostalgia factor, having been with the series since the beginning; but this was the first time I really felt no purpose in the inclusion of Ganon/dorf in a major Zelda game. Majora's Mask, while not my favourite in the series, is definitely a badass departure from the formula. The early buzz has me SUPER excited for Skyward Sword, though, and hey - no Ganondorf! :)
@DarylNoir
He was also in Minish Cap.
@Yamagato, I can agree 100% with you that Minish Cap>OoT. OoT felt cliched and typical. The time travel function was the only redeeming quality (and yes, Malon is a babe.)
Wind Waker, I thought that giant bird who captured Aryll would be the villian. But I was crushed when the whole "HYRULE IS SUNK UNDER TEH. OCEANZ DURRR."
Skywards sword new FEMALE antagonist looks really cool though. Great write-up, meng!
(Rolento>Ganondorf.)
He was also in Minish Cap.
@Yamagato, I can agree 100% with you that Minish Cap>OoT. OoT felt cliched and typical. The time travel function was the only redeeming quality (and yes, Malon is a babe.)
Wind Waker, I thought that giant bird who captured Aryll would be the villian. But I was crushed when the whole "HYRULE IS SUNK UNDER TEH. OCEANZ DURRR."
Skywards sword new FEMALE antagonist looks really cool though. Great write-up, meng!
(Rolento>Ganondorf.)
I love Ganondorf, but I must admit he is a bit overused. He definitely is best in Wind Waker, but I do love his fight in TP.
@Epic: Malon is such a babe.
@Epic: Malon is such a babe.
I hear that voice all the time. I didn't like Majora's Mask all that much, but I thought Skull Kid was a much better villain than Ganondorf was. Same goes with Zant, and while that new villain Ghirahim from Skyward Sword looks promising, I'm being a little cautious this time.
I think the reason Nintendo has Ganondorf appear in so many Zelda games is because of the fans, the ones who think he's a this deep evolving character that you should feel sorry for (even though the only game anyone actually sympathy for him was in Wind Waker), when in reality he's just a power hungry villain who's not all that deep or tragic.
Overall awesome read man, and it's nice to see someone with the same sentiment as me when it comes to Ganondorf.
I think the reason Nintendo has Ganondorf appear in so many Zelda games is because of the fans, the ones who think he's a this deep evolving character that you should feel sorry for (even though the only game anyone actually sympathy for him was in Wind Waker), when in reality he's just a power hungry villain who's not all that deep or tragic.
Overall awesome read man, and it's nice to see someone with the same sentiment as me when it comes to Ganondorf.
Also @Epic which female antagonist are you talking about? Only antagonist I know about is Ghirahim, a.k.a that flamboyant demon king.
@Epic
How could I forget Minish Cap? I fucking loved that game. Vaati should've appeared in one of the Wind Waker sequels on the DS, he would've fit the wind theme. Missed opportunity Nintendo!
How could I forget Minish Cap? I fucking loved that game. Vaati should've appeared in one of the Wind Waker sequels on the DS, he would've fit the wind theme. Missed opportunity Nintendo!
I swear the masses had their memories wiped when it comes to Twilight Princess. Ganondorf didn't come out of nowhere. He got his foot in the door in the middle of the game, and it was anyone's guess how he'd return for the ending. Also, I did like that Ganondorf took advantage of a pathetic, weak, yet vengeful man to accomplish his own ends. Sure he wasn't all that interesting but he didn't come out of nowhere.
Also, to me, the Ganondorf in Wind Waker is the most interesting version of Ganondorf, or indeed any villain in Zelda. Instead of being a power hungry psycho, he seemed more like a doomed, tragic figure. His dialogue at the end of the game says as much. He resents the new land, the Great Sea, and clings to Hyrule. The king of Hyrule tells Link and Zelda that they must move on, and forget about Hyrule. He only decided to attack once Hyrule started flooding, once he lost everything he worked towards.
They can do good with Ganondorf, although I am glad (for purely aesthetic reasons) that he is sitting Skyward Sword out.
Also, to me, the Ganondorf in Wind Waker is the most interesting version of Ganondorf, or indeed any villain in Zelda. Instead of being a power hungry psycho, he seemed more like a doomed, tragic figure. His dialogue at the end of the game says as much. He resents the new land, the Great Sea, and clings to Hyrule. The king of Hyrule tells Link and Zelda that they must move on, and forget about Hyrule. He only decided to attack once Hyrule started flooding, once he lost everything he worked towards.
They can do good with Ganondorf, although I am glad (for purely aesthetic reasons) that he is sitting Skyward Sword out.
Ganondorf is a reflection of Link, like all good villains are, but Link also isn't brilliant character himself. It's only because we take control of him that fact is blurred some what. It's like they're two sides of the same coin to quote some film I can't remember. Ganondorf is the bad guy, and Link is the good guy.
But I do have an urge to say I really liked Zant. When his true identity was revealed I weirdly related to the delusions he had and the fact that the fight with him was quite the cake walk cemented that he was just a pawn even further. I kinda felt sorry for the guy in the end.. and because of that (though not solely) I'm very fond of Twilight Princess overall.
But I will say the love for Majora's Mask misses me. To me it really is the most unimmersive Zelda game I've played and I blame it solely on the time mechanic. I can't get into something if I'm pushed around.
But I do have an urge to say I really liked Zant. When his true identity was revealed I weirdly related to the delusions he had and the fact that the fight with him was quite the cake walk cemented that he was just a pawn even further. I kinda felt sorry for the guy in the end.. and because of that (though not solely) I'm very fond of Twilight Princess overall.
But I will say the love for Majora's Mask misses me. To me it really is the most unimmersive Zelda game I've played and I blame it solely on the time mechanic. I can't get into something if I'm pushed around.
Firstly, thank you Destructoid. I've only been here for a couple of weeks, but I'm already in love with the community.
@Neil Marcus Rowlands, thank you for the kind words! Yes, Majora's Mask is, in my opinion, the best Zelda game, period. I love everything about the game and proudly display my original copy like a beautiful trophy.
@curtisdhansen, I'll never get over the betrayal of Ganon's presence in Twilight Princess. It was as if Nintendo didn't trust their ability to create something fresh. Yeah, Skyward Sword is hopefully going to be awesome. I'm praying for a world as vast as the one in Wind Waker.
@Epic-Kx, haha, Malon; yes, I'd forgotten her name!
@Neil Marcus Rowlands, thank you for the kind words! Yes, Majora's Mask is, in my opinion, the best Zelda game, period. I love everything about the game and proudly display my original copy like a beautiful trophy.
@curtisdhansen, I'll never get over the betrayal of Ganon's presence in Twilight Princess. It was as if Nintendo didn't trust their ability to create something fresh. Yeah, Skyward Sword is hopefully going to be awesome. I'm praying for a world as vast as the one in Wind Waker.
@Epic-Kx, haha, Malon; yes, I'd forgotten her name!
I totally, completely agree with the author, My favorite zelda is also MM and WW, others just like super mario with swords and a big map(great nevertheless)
Ganondorf is definitely not out of place in The Wind Waker. He and the King of Hyrule are meant to parallel each other, both being invested in a long-forgotten kingdom. Ganondorf's effort to bring Hyrule out from beneath the ocean is what causes the King to see that what's important for Link, Tetra, and the rest of the current generation is for them to form their own identity, independent of what's come before them. That type of story wouldn't work with a new villain -- it had to be someone who's already been involved with Hyrule's history (like Ganondorf).
And say what you will about Twilight Princess, but it should have been abundantly clear that Ganondorf would be significantly involved at the game's midway point, when the Sages talk about him point-blank.
And say what you will about Twilight Princess, but it should have been abundantly clear that Ganondorf would be significantly involved at the game's midway point, when the Sages talk about him point-blank.
@emayer, I definitely agree that in terms of the story, Ganon's presence in Wind Waker is important. However, the point I was trying to make was that I wasn't interested in a continuation of the main lore. I wanted an entirely fresh game - free of Ganon. I was disappointed with the villain choice, but I understand it and I love the game regardless.
That's sort of the point. I had no idea that Zant would become a secondary villain, and that's what upset me. The game took me on an interesting ride for half the game; the rug was then pulled out from underneath me, and it was back to the same old shit. The Sages made it clear where they were going, but I still wanted to believe Zant would remain the big bad.
That's sort of the point. I had no idea that Zant would become a secondary villain, and that's what upset me. The game took me on an interesting ride for half the game; the rug was then pulled out from underneath me, and it was back to the same old shit. The Sages made it clear where they were going, but I still wanted to believe Zant would remain the big bad.
The last Zelda game I played was A Link to the Past, so I've no idea what's up with the series these days. Interesting write up though, kudos!
Pretty much summed up my own thoughts on the matter.
Although I have to say Windwaker was the only game in the series where I didn't think Gannon was completely lame. The final battle with him is one of the best boss fights in gaming as far as I'm concerned. It was definitely still pretty one-dimensional, but the execution and context in the story made it pretty amazing.
Although I have to say Windwaker was the only game in the series where I didn't think Gannon was completely lame. The final battle with him is one of the best boss fights in gaming as far as I'm concerned. It was definitely still pretty one-dimensional, but the execution and context in the story made it pretty amazing.
You should read the Majora's Mask manga. Apart from Fierce Deity Link being a total badass, there's an amazing short side-story that explains how the mask originated (artist's interpretation... maybe non-cannon...but Nintendo allowed it XD ). Anyways, teaser - it has a dragon, a mysterious man (who looks like Fierce Deity), music and a 3-day timeline...
Like some have said already, I liked Ganondorf a lot in Wind Waker (my favourite Zelda game), because he was an anachronic villain. The whole "clinging to the past" issue didn't felt to me as relatable or tragic, just kind of pathetic. He is a powerful and cunning guy, but he is blinded by the past. Makes a nice connection with the ago on adventure and move forward theme that is central to WW and it's sequels
@Yamagato333, Hahaa... I went searching for it too...
http://www.zelda-infinite.com/files/manga/majora/view.php?chap=10&page=1
This is a fan translation, though... I think in mine, Fierce Deity Link calls the mask salesman a 'little wretch' after slicing up his masks and chasing him away (aweeesome)
http://www.zelda-infinite.com/files/manga/majora/view.php?chap=10&page=1
This is a fan translation, though... I think in mine, Fierce Deity Link calls the mask salesman a 'little wretch' after slicing up his masks and chasing him away (aweeesome)
Majora's Mask is totally my favorite Zelda game too, but I'm in no way tired of Ganondorf returning again and again. To me, a Zelda game just doesn't make sense if there's a Zelda, a Link, but no Ganon to round out the struggle over the triforce. That said, it's completely okay that Ganon's not in Majora's mask (no mention of the triforce, it's not the central struggle), Link's Awakening (same thing), Minish Cap (don't remember it as much as you guys do, but I don't think shrinky-dinks had anything to do with it), or Oracle of Ages/Seasons (until you throw the two together), but at any point that the Triforce returns as a narrative device Ganon should return because he, Link, and Zelda, in any incarnation, are inherently linked to the thing. Sure, Nintendo could go a long ways to making Ganon a more interesting adversary (hell, only the bit characters ever have any personality in these games. Tingle is more fleshed out than the big three, and that's a huge problem), but just swapping him out with another random baddie with little explanation into his/her motivation to rule/destroy the world or bring back Ganon so he can do it instead (see Agahnim, the guys from Ages/Seasons, Vaati, metro-dude in the upcoming game) isn't a fix, it's just sleight of hand so they can keep making the same game with only superficial changes.
At least reusing Ganon is honest to the core conceit of the series in that all the games are very similar, and most of the time that's not a bad thing. My favorite in the series is Majora's Mask, not because the end boss is different, but that the gameplay is diversified and the main purpose becomes more about finding away to stay ahead of the clock and save as many of the (suddenly interesting and sympathetic) people around Termina, and not just putting the pointy end of the sword into the big bad. None of the other Zelda games tried so hard to make you care about the people in the world, and that's a real shame, because they did it so well. Also, bunny hood mask. That is all.
At least reusing Ganon is honest to the core conceit of the series in that all the games are very similar, and most of the time that's not a bad thing. My favorite in the series is Majora's Mask, not because the end boss is different, but that the gameplay is diversified and the main purpose becomes more about finding away to stay ahead of the clock and save as many of the (suddenly interesting and sympathetic) people around Termina, and not just putting the pointy end of the sword into the big bad. None of the other Zelda games tried so hard to make you care about the people in the world, and that's a real shame, because they did it so well. Also, bunny hood mask. That is all.
Man, Majora's Mask itself was a much better villain than Ganondorf ever was.
The thing possessed a kid desperate for friends, fucked over every individual race and the area they lived in more than one way, screwed over almost everyone in the game individually, and was planning to top it all off by dropping the moon on everyone, except only after allowing everyone to suffer for a while because it's a sadistic asshole.
It did all of this just for nothing other than shits and giggles. The worst thing about it all is that rewinding reset everything back to the way Majora's Mask had it before you intervened. Hell, the only way to even begin saving the world is to allow Majora to almost destroy it since that's the only time you can even confront the thing after it severely de-powers you!
The only Zelda game I can honestly say I felt anything for Ganondorf in was the Wind Waker, but he waited until the very end to tell anyone anything about his character. I still like him best in that game, though.
That said, I'm not that bothered by Ganondorf being the villain. The appeal of any of the main Zelda games' stories is the path traveled to Ganondorf, not Ganondorf himself. He's kinda like Dracula in that, under normal circumstances, no matter what happens before the end of the game, he's going to be the main villain. I would, however, like to see a villain other than Ganondorf. He's nowhere near as important to Zelda's universe (in either timeline) as Dracula is to Castlevania's, his back story isn't as interesting as Dracula's, and he has less in-story excuses for constantly coming back in some form.
The thing possessed a kid desperate for friends, fucked over every individual race and the area they lived in more than one way, screwed over almost everyone in the game individually, and was planning to top it all off by dropping the moon on everyone, except only after allowing everyone to suffer for a while because it's a sadistic asshole.
It did all of this just for nothing other than shits and giggles. The worst thing about it all is that rewinding reset everything back to the way Majora's Mask had it before you intervened. Hell, the only way to even begin saving the world is to allow Majora to almost destroy it since that's the only time you can even confront the thing after it severely de-powers you!
The only Zelda game I can honestly say I felt anything for Ganondorf in was the Wind Waker, but he waited until the very end to tell anyone anything about his character. I still like him best in that game, though.
That said, I'm not that bothered by Ganondorf being the villain. The appeal of any of the main Zelda games' stories is the path traveled to Ganondorf, not Ganondorf himself. He's kinda like Dracula in that, under normal circumstances, no matter what happens before the end of the game, he's going to be the main villain. I would, however, like to see a villain other than Ganondorf. He's nowhere near as important to Zelda's universe (in either timeline) as Dracula is to Castlevania's, his back story isn't as interesting as Dracula's, and he has less in-story excuses for constantly coming back in some form.
OOO, nice job on the front page. Congrats. It's always good to see some Zelda love and critiques being honored.
Also, I really love Majora's, though it's not my favorite.
Also, I really love Majora's, though it's not my favorite.
Very good article, really.
I actually felt a bit that way when I played A Link to the Past, and saw that Ganon was back, again. Instead of Aghanim Nintendo decided to play it safe... Oh well, Nintendo.
And again as the years go by and more Zeldas are added to the pile, I've come to the conclusion that nothing will equal the experience of Majora, this game was really an exception. That being said I too enjoy Zelda but I'm not expecting anything new here, maybe just some visual updates and couples of cool gameplay features, oh and Ganon...
Majora's was a exception to the rule, a risky game (at least for Nintendo)
I actually felt a bit that way when I played A Link to the Past, and saw that Ganon was back, again. Instead of Aghanim Nintendo decided to play it safe... Oh well, Nintendo.
And again as the years go by and more Zeldas are added to the pile, I've come to the conclusion that nothing will equal the experience of Majora, this game was really an exception. That being said I too enjoy Zelda but I'm not expecting anything new here, maybe just some visual updates and couples of cool gameplay features, oh and Ganon...
Majora's was a exception to the rule, a risky game (at least for Nintendo)
I haven't played Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask, but I really liked Ganondorf's presence in Wind Waker because the character revealed a more humane side to him. Despite still being a psycho, Ganon did show Link mercy when he said that he doesn't wish to kill him, but to merely take his piece of the Triforce. In addition, Ganon expressed his jealousy over the peaceful and prosperous Hyrule while he grew up in a harsh desert which felt cursed by suffering and death and there was nothing he could do to change it.While Ganon already possessed magical powers, it kind of revealed Ganon's reason for wanting to have more power, the power of the Triforce so that he could use it to change his fate and defy the Gods.
Great blog. The first Zelda game I had play was Wind Waker, and I thought he was your typical villain. Then I played Ocarina of Time 3D, and I can understand your "not clouded by nostalgia" statement. While a fun game, I don't think it's the perfect masterpiece everyone claims it is.
I do hope they release Majora's Mask for the 3DS; from the sounds of it, the game suits my taste more than Ocarina. I have also played Four Swords, but I highly doubt Vaati is much of a villain that one is looking for.
I do hope they release Majora's Mask for the 3DS; from the sounds of it, the game suits my taste more than Ocarina. I have also played Four Swords, but I highly doubt Vaati is much of a villain that one is looking for.
Bitching about Ganondorf being overused in Legend of Zelda games is like bitching about Zelda or Link.
Sick of them? Go play another series. The Triforce and familiarity (Using memorable characters, towns, reimagined) are what seperates The Legend of Zelda from it's clones. The series has a very rich history or characters, weapons, items, mechanics (Bomb arrow!), and icons. By using the same things reimagined, it builds history for them. The Legend of Lon Lon Ranch, anyone? Yeah? Yeah!
If I wanted all of the Zelda mechanics but none of the things like Ganondorf or any other familiarity in it, I'd pick up Darksiders if I were you.
Sick of them? Go play another series. The Triforce and familiarity (Using memorable characters, towns, reimagined) are what seperates The Legend of Zelda from it's clones. The series has a very rich history or characters, weapons, items, mechanics (Bomb arrow!), and icons. By using the same things reimagined, it builds history for them. The Legend of Lon Lon Ranch, anyone? Yeah? Yeah!
If I wanted all of the Zelda mechanics but none of the things like Ganondorf or any other familiarity in it, I'd pick up Darksiders if I were you.
@KingSigy, thank you. Like I said earlier, your 'villains' blog post reminded me of how cool Ganondorf was in the Wind Waker. It's actually the reason I'm going to be playing it this week!
Thank you for the responses everyone, whether you agreed with me or not!
I'm glad I could get some of you to give Majora's Mask a chance. It really is a special game. The clock actually adds a sense of constant terror that no other game has captured since. You really do feel as if the world is going to end. As if there is really something at stake.
Thank you for the responses everyone, whether you agreed with me or not!
I'm glad I could get some of you to give Majora's Mask a chance. It really is a special game. The clock actually adds a sense of constant terror that no other game has captured since. You really do feel as if the world is going to end. As if there is really something at stake.
nice post man! majora's mask is my least favourite console zelda overall, but i loved how the cursed mask created a villain out of the skull kid. and yeah the moon was terrifying.
also, the first thing i thought when i watched a skyward sword trailer was 'god i hope gannon doesnt pop up at the end and wreck it'.
also, the first thing i thought when i watched a skyward sword trailer was 'god i hope gannon doesnt pop up at the end and wreck it'.
people dont realize that the entire concept of zelda is that it revolves around the triforce and link, zelda, and el pigman represent a 1/3 of the triforce each.
not to mention he's been the main villain from the start.
do people complain that bowser has been the main villain for about 85% of the mario games? no because its what we expect, you're supposed to take the story for what it is...
an everlasting re-occurrence of the same story.
the creators just make the environment and circumstances different but it always boils down to the the aspects of power (ganon), wisdom (zelda), and courage (link).
not to mention he's been the main villain from the start.
do people complain that bowser has been the main villain for about 85% of the mario games? no because its what we expect, you're supposed to take the story for what it is...
an everlasting re-occurrence of the same story.
the creators just make the environment and circumstances different but it always boils down to the the aspects of power (ganon), wisdom (zelda), and courage (link).
I totally understand where you're coming from. Gannondorf doesn't bother me TOO much, but for the reasons you stated, Majora's Mask is also my favorite Zelda, by a wide margin. That's saying something too, as I love the whole series.
Twilight Princess was the ONLY time I was disappointed with Ganondorf showing up. They pulled a "Star Fox Adventures" on us (though SFA was MUCH worse. MUCH MUCH worse. You don't even fight the main bad guy at all and series regular Andross shows up at the VERY end as the REAL bad guy...)
That said, the Zelda series has usually had plenty of different "main" villains. Vaati, Majora, Bellum, Nightmare, Malladus. And there have been many major villains that could've been the main enemies: Agahnim, Zant, General Onox, Veran.
I like Ganondorf... but I do like games without him too.
That said, the Zelda series has usually had plenty of different "main" villains. Vaati, Majora, Bellum, Nightmare, Malladus. And there have been many major villains that could've been the main enemies: Agahnim, Zant, General Onox, Veran.
I like Ganondorf... but I do like games without him too.
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Ganon is resurrected by Zant, leeching off of Zant's power.
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I don't really agree with the blog, Ganon is pretty cool in my opinion.
Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time was a pretty basic villain even though he has a cool design, you can't argue with that.
In Wind Waker, Ganondorf divulges some of his backstory. He talks about how he came from a land where his people suffered, and his jealousy of Hyrule was overwhleming. It's only a little bit but makes him more relatable.
As for Zant? HE IS JUST LIKE OCARINA GANON. He is a very basic villain that whilst exotic, only wants power. He was kinda boring. When the twist came about, it just made Ganondorf look even stronger. His battle was also rather epic.
Majora's Mask is definitely the best in the series but I don't see why you have to lose your love of Ocarina to like it. Skull Kid isn't the real villain, the Mask is. The Skull Kid is worthy of pity, whilst the mask is the embodiment of chaotic, purposeless evil. It's a sweet setup, but it's the time mechanics that make it so much more powerful.
As I said I like Ganondorf, mainly as I see his potential. A story concerning young Ganondorf could be pretty special.
Ganon is resurrected by Zant, leeching off of Zant's power.
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I don't really agree with the blog, Ganon is pretty cool in my opinion.
Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time was a pretty basic villain even though he has a cool design, you can't argue with that.
In Wind Waker, Ganondorf divulges some of his backstory. He talks about how he came from a land where his people suffered, and his jealousy of Hyrule was overwhleming. It's only a little bit but makes him more relatable.
As for Zant? HE IS JUST LIKE OCARINA GANON. He is a very basic villain that whilst exotic, only wants power. He was kinda boring. When the twist came about, it just made Ganondorf look even stronger. His battle was also rather epic.
Majora's Mask is definitely the best in the series but I don't see why you have to lose your love of Ocarina to like it. Skull Kid isn't the real villain, the Mask is. The Skull Kid is worthy of pity, whilst the mask is the embodiment of chaotic, purposeless evil. It's a sweet setup, but it's the time mechanics that make it so much more powerful.
As I said I like Ganondorf, mainly as I see his potential. A story concerning young Ganondorf could be pretty special.
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