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Videogames seen as 'meaningless bullsh*t' by Hollywood folk photo

Ian Stevens, head of Vin Diesel's Tigon Studio, has said that Hollywood only takes videogames seriously when there's money to be made, with most of them viewing games as pointless toys until they start to realize that such a pointless industry is kicking their arses.

"There's certainly no shortage of guys that look at games and see them as toys, and meaningless bullsh*t, and now look at revenue -- and for their own survival's sake have to care, and have to get involved," reveals Stevens. "I think a lot of it has changed because we're making so much more money than they are."

Stevens also claims that Hollywood and the game industry "don't speak the same language," and that those in the movie biz simply don't understand the creative process of videogames. That said, he also acknowledges that the games industry has a lot to catch up with in terms of story-telling, stating that "there's such a depth and vocabulary involved in film-making that we're just completely ignorant of."

Quite funny indeed that Hollywood thinks it has any room to look down on other creative mediums, considering the movie industry is responsible for giving Michael Bay a job.

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DoofALoop's Avatar
DoofALoop at 06/24/2009 12:48
But dude, EXPLOSIONS AND SHIT!! Plus I mean Vin Diesel = all around depth and vocabulary.
Havoc Fang's Avatar
Havoc Fang at 06/24/2009 12:49
Hollywood brings us movies that always have the exact same advertisement every damn time. With the same voice announcing them. And a seemingly set cast of people in them. With big red text.

Hideo Kojima > Speilburg.
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Freefall at 06/24/2009 12:49
I heartily lol'd.
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Diverse at 06/24/2009 12:50
Ian Stevens must be Captain Obvious
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Miguelcar808 at 06/24/2009 12:50
The comment on the picture made me LOL.
It's also my reaction to this story.
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DeusPayne at 06/24/2009 12:51
All I read is "duurpp we're more relevant than you cuz i said so"
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TheToiletDuck at 06/24/2009 12:52
Release of Wet will change all of this.
Daxelman's Avatar
Daxelman at 06/24/2009 12:54
While I agree, I still think Pulp Fiction is the best piece of entertainment, ever created.

Second is The Shining.

Third is a tie between SSX 3, and the trailer for The Shining.
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Cowboy TTop at 06/24/2009 12:54
Hollywood is full of overpaid suits looking to make a buck, many of who don't understand what it takes to make a great film, let alone a game.

Yeah, Vin Diesels game work in awful mostly, just like his film. Games staring Vin Diesel? Stop stroking your muscley ego, dude.

Who cares what those fools think? Fuck em.
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foolishwolf at 06/24/2009 12:56
Wow that header speaks volumes. Hollywood in a fucking nutshell.
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Tronjoy at 06/24/2009 12:56
Maybe this is why movie tie-in games suck so hard.
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naia-the-gamer at 06/24/2009 12:58
How could anyone still look at video games as toys in this day and age? Hollywood is so removed from the rest of the world, it's ridiculous.
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Danzflor at 06/24/2009 12:59
They continue to bring shitty movies, we can continuing enjoying great games =)
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Doomsday Forte at 06/24/2009 13:01
Come on, where are more actors saying that games are pointless now that Ryan Reynolds said they're a waste of time and that Shia LeBeouf would rather eat glass than play a Wii? A precedent has been set, people!

You wanna know what's funny? $60 million for a three-hour film that's the same every time, or $60 million for a game that you could quite possibly put hundreds of hours into and is generally not the same exact thing each time through.

Yeah, games are more expensive than films (though the tally gets close if you see the movie in the theater and then buy it on DVD on release), but given the disparity in time you can waste doing either one...

I remember looking ahead at some movies coming out this year/next year/2011. Harry Potter 6, Shrek 4, Spidey 4, Ice Age 3, Final Destination...4?, Halloween 15, Twilight 2, Meet the Parents 3, Harry Potter 7, Toy Story 3, Harry Potter 7 part II, Sin City 2, and Lord of the Rings Zero.

And you say gamers are in love with sequels, Jim? =P
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jsutcliffe at 06/24/2009 13:03
That's fitting. I think Hollywood movies are meaningless bullshit.
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Rockvillian at 06/24/2009 13:04
The film industry is SO narcissistic. That and they're being eaten alive by every other medium, the movie ticket price is rising while the film quality falls (subject matter, not physical quality), and they still act like egotistical retards.

This is the gaming industry's fate too, if it keeps up what it's doing with the handicap of dividing people into different "cores" (there's ONE core.. people who like playing good games), and thinking your consumers will buy anything you throw out forever.
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Discarded Couch Sandwich at 06/24/2009 13:11
Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun Li is infinitely more relevant than Street Fighter 4. Confirmed.
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PwnanObrien at 06/24/2009 13:13
This comments section is now about posting images of meaningless bullshit movies:

Daxelman's Avatar
Daxelman at 06/24/2009 13:16
Rockvillian: No, you've got the wrong core.

This is the right core;


People who play games.
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xiaolinstyle at 06/24/2009 13:17
I think that the end result is going to be a good example of a free market at work. Bad movies and games wont make money and good ones will
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xiaolinstyle at 06/24/2009 13:20
Well for the most part anyway....
Okami anyone? I bought it... why didnt you?
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Im OK at 06/24/2009 13:20
Hollywood folk? You mean those people whose entire industry is being driven ever closer and closer to utter irrelevancy because of video games? But... but, I would have thought that those guys loved video games.

Nah, the only thing about video games that Hollywood (as a generalized, monolithic entity) cares about is the fact that the subject matter can be shoehorned into their bread and butter, i.e. movies, with varying degrees of success, but most of which are shitty and retarded because Hollywood just doesn't have a clue.
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Mini-Boss at 06/24/2009 13:23
i love the comment about story telling, movies have 2 hours to tell you a story that usually doesn't matter cuz you just root for your favorite actor while games can tell a story that can last 34 hours and keep you into it for days. Yeah i see steavens point.
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peachboy at 06/24/2009 13:24
Well put Jim, I laughed pretty hard
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BluDesign at 06/24/2009 13:25
Hah. Hollywood is missing the point. If they cared at all about branding, longevity, and creativity, they'd analyze wow, sims, tetris, and peggle to find out where they're losing money in provding non compelling content.
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Im OK at 06/24/2009 13:26
@xiaolinstyle

RE: Okami

I bought it. Twice.
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ikiryou at 06/24/2009 13:41
Maybe Hollywood needs to share this overall consensus with Malcolm McDowell, a.k.a the voice of Fallout 3's John Henry Eden, since he obviously hasn't heard that video games are "bullsh*t". I'm sure Mr. McDowell would not give a flying f*ck what Hollywood thinks.
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Ganjookie at 06/24/2009 14:20
Hollywood is full of lulz!

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JLanphear at 06/24/2009 14:28
Hollywood, you make me laugh. Video games may generally lack the storytelling that some movies do, but some games are absolutely perfect in their storytelling (Shadow of the Colossus? Metal Gear Solid?) so I really think that if Hollywood KNEW anything about games, that argument would be thrown out the window.
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bahss at 06/24/2009 15:17
They think it's a waste of time because the only the that associates them with video games is shitting games based off movies.. Give them a game based off a movie that's really great to play, and it might change their perception a bit.

Then again, they could be cunts.
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RIMoonlight at 06/24/2009 15:23
What I laugh is that despite how video games always have worse storylines than Hollywood's god-given ones that they always seek to adapt a video-game's much poorer storylines into their own movies. Bioshock and Shadow of the Colossus movies anyone?
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Rockvillian at 06/24/2009 15:33
@Daxelman

Oops thanks. I was being too specific :P
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BattyAdroit at 06/24/2009 15:35
You have to ask yourself though: does anybody really take anyone's industry "seriously" unless there's money at stake? How often do you think about your car mechanic, until you're forking over nine-hundred bucks to him?

I can see a scenario where Tom Cruise (who averages more than $60m per picture) - may not be super concerned about the release of Overlord II: Electric Boogaloo.

And, I don't need to remind anyone, that this discussion is based purely off of the opinion of one person. (Ian Stevens - other than CoD2 - his main body of work consists of terrible movie-to-game adaptations)
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SetoChaos at 06/24/2009 15:44
Obviously they are correct, that's why I don't ever watch TV and hardly watch any films at all.
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Qraze at 06/24/2009 16:11
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grasslunatic at 06/24/2009 16:20
EXPOLSIONS.
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HiddenAHB at 06/24/2009 16:20
Hollywood is indeed a shithole.
The game industry is way better, it generates more money, you find more good games than good movies, and game developers aren't addicted to coke star wannabe.
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mix at 06/24/2009 16:37
I like the fact that games are WAY more involving than movies and you that you can't make a video game that lasts 1.5hours, lets see them drag a movie out for 60+ hours.

I like my games thank you very much :)
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ouched at 06/24/2009 17:11
Not surprising. Hollywood has the arrogance to essentially believe they should tell you what to think about a wide range of issues political and social, and doesn't seem to really understand that they are no longer the monopoly on high end entertainment. To hell with'em.
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Cadtalfryn at 06/24/2009 17:13
Suda 51 > Hollywood.
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thunderleg at 06/24/2009 18:08
The Hollywood folk have made a sound argument. I now see the folly of the last 23 gaming years of my life and have converted to Hollywood movies. Videogames are all just pew-pew-pew and bloop-bleep-zonk. From now on I watch Madonna, new Eddie Murphy, and Wayans brothers movies exclusively.
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Im OK at 06/24/2009 18:11
Oh and this: "There's certainly no shortage of guys that look at games and see them as toys..."

That, in general, is a failing not only of Hollywood types but of non-game playing people everywhere.

@BattyAdroit

There's a difference between simply not thinking about your mechanic except for when you need him to fix your car and saying that what mechanics, in general, do is "meaningless bullshit" because you're too busy riding a bicycle or walking everywhere, or because you happened to see your mechanic working on someone's Ford Mustang when you're there waiting to get your Pinto serviced or something. This is not a very good counter-example I'll admit, but your original example of the mechanic wasn't a very good one to begin with.

Also, honestly, these days who would give even the slightest crap about what kind of video games a crazy asshole like Tom Cruise likes or doesn't like? And why should how much money he makes have any bearing on the situation in any way whatsoever?
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Monodi at 06/24/2009 18:21
That's so ironic.
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Im OK at 06/24/2009 18:45
To follow up on my last post, because I don't think I was as clear as I wanted to be.

RE mechanics: The main difference there is that mechanics, unlike Hollywood, aren't in direct competition with the video games industry. It isn't like you're NOT going to go and get your car fixed because you want to stay home and play GTA4 instead.

RE Tom Cruise. Okay, I can see why, in a sense, the issue of how much money he makes would have a bearing on the situation in the context of the discussion at hand, so I retract that particular statement. However, even so, it still really doesn't matter, because we're talking about industry wide: video game industry vs Hollywood. Not Shigeru Miyamoto vs Tom Cruise, or random key grip A vs random code monkey B. The point is that the video games industry as a whole is stomping the ass of Hollywood as a whole. Until this was the case Hollywood didn't care about games at all, but now they are scrambling to try to grab them a piece of that delicious pie, for fear that they will starve otherwise.
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GreenKnight at 06/24/2009 22:32
What you pissing and moaning about now Jim. Michael Bay created the Transformers movies which are 100% win. You must be a right sad fuck to complain about every insignificant thing between heaven and earth.

How 'bout you turn that frown upside down my bipolar friend? :-)
Qraze's Avatar
Qraze at 06/24/2009 22:58
100% win? wow, i know who got hit with the stupid stick.
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Holiday at 06/25/2009 00:46
Each entertainment medium has it's pluses and minuses. Though I'd love to see richer storytelling in video games across the board at the same time I know that video games can't be movies as movies can not be books.
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GreenKnight at 06/25/2009 10:40
Well Qraze, $700 million boxoffice and highest grossing movie in 2007 says otherwise. But i guess you are one of those cool ppl who don't like what just about everybody else likes (in other words a secluded misfit.....like jim).
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