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Variety: Mirror's Edge 'gimmicky' and Gears is 'so 1.5' photo

Variety may not be the first thing you think of when it comes to hard-hitting videogame critique, but E3 judging panelist Ben Fritz isn't pulling his punches. The Variety writer states that of E3's twelve award winners, he voted for only Spore and Pure. He then aimed some harsh words at two of the biggest games of the show.

"I wasn't offended by most of the choices either," explained Fritz. "Fallout 3, LittleBigPlanet, Dead Space and Left4Dead are all really good games with the potential, based on the limited time I got to see them, to be fantastic.

"The only winner I really disagreed with was Mirror's Edge for best original game. To me it seemed more gimmicky (A hot chick in the future who does parkour!) than substantive to me, the first person perspective really didn't work for a game where you're trying to manipulate a character through complex spatial puzzles, and the challenge often felt more about timing (can you jump off this ledge with enough speed at the very last second?) than brains."

The writer continued his brutal honesty by stating that Gears of War 2 is "so Gears of War 1.5." He was dumbfounded that a game with only "minor" improvements could stun so many judges while Resistance 2, "a much more dramatic leap forward," was passed over. Finally, Fritz concludes that the biggest injustice of all was Fable 2 failing to win anything, as he claims that the sequel "looks like it really will deliver on developer Peter Molyneux's promises."

Man, don't ever get on the wrong side of Variety. Sounds like they'll cut you to shreds.








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SunTzu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:25
SunTzu
Ben Fritz: Proving once and for all that you can play the full version of a game by simply watching some promotional video's.

Anyone see those "Bioshock" gameplay vids up on Gametrailers? That game is total shit.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:25
blehman
I have to agree on Mirrors edge. It just kinda looks meh to me. Yeah, color, it has it, but doing complex running/jumping/sliding puzzles if first-person? Shit, I had a hard enough time doing the platforming in Half-Life 2. Do not want.
Red TheHaze Veron's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:25
Red TheHaze Veron
Wait, why the heck do we even care what Variety says? Its like that time we asked Roger Ebert about video games when the guy doesn know shit about games at all.
Tash's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:32
Tash
Well I for one like doing math problems in video games--give me a break.
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:33
covah
since when has Variety been a notable source on video games?
Yards Prower's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:34
Yards Prower
I don't know, I think Mirror's Edge could be interesting... But even if it seems lame at first, at least it still is original...
Brian Keljore's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:35
Brian Keljore
Ugh... I agree with him on the Mirror's edge point. I am going to go take another shower.
JiR INC's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:39
JiR INC
Until I play a demo or see more footage then I can give a full opinion. I can imagine a lot more people joining the band wagon not thinking for themselves, what I have seen so far interests me and the colours are nicely well blended in :).
As for Gears 2 thats looks awesome the new enemies, the new weapons and new multiplayer options are nice not forgetting the new use of the updated unreal engine
ThunderHeartXI's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:45
ThunderHeartXI
Well, I do concur that Mirror's Edge could be the next Assassin's Creed, I am looking forward to Mirror's Edge.

As for this Variety writer, I honestly don't care. I'm going to look forward to what I think is cool and all of the people who thought Mirror's Edge looked cool and are now doubting it because they hear some criticism about it need to grow a little back bone.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:45
Tubatic
I've heard other people that have played it (RevAnthony and Tiff) sound pretty excited about it.

But sure, all gimmick. Nevermind that it goes HUD-less, isn't in brown and grey, discourages gun use, or looks very pretty.

Who's Ben Fritz?
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:49
CALkulon
Disagree about ME, agree about GoW2. I just can't help but feel that Gears 2 is just going to be ploughed for money by MS without much concern for innovation.

Although I can't say that I know loads about either, so I reserve the right to take that statement back. ^_^
bVork's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:54
bVork
What he fails to realize, with regards to Gears 2 vs Resistance 2, is that minor improvements to a stellar game will result in a better title than one that involves substantial improvements to a decent game. Complaining about a game having an incredibly solid foundation is just silly.

Also, he fails to understand the point of Mirror's Edge. It isn't the next Portal. It isn't a puzzle game. It's a 3D platformer, where the whole POINT of the game is split-second timing.
galagabug 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:54
galagabug
i don't disagree.

can we also ban the use of the word 'parkour'. if i hear it again, i'm gonna smack someone. call it what it is. fancy walking. everyone knows the sidewalk is for regular walking, you take that fancy walking somewhere else.
Chibi_Zero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:57
Chibi_Zero
Tubatic: People who played Assassin's Creed were excited about it too...
Sol Kyoshiro's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:58
Sol Kyoshiro
What he said about Mirror's Edge easily applies to this game I once played....oh yea thats right PORTAL.

And in my opinion Portal is one of the best games ever made in terms of innovation. Its not about the individual parts of the game, its about how you put it together and make it flow.
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:58
bloodylip
lol @ Molyneux delivering on promises. That statement there shows me how much this guy knows about video games.
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:01
MaximusPaynicus
@covah
It's that kind of bullshit, simpleton thinking that prevents the field of gaming news coverage from truly growing.

As for Variety, I can't say I disagree with the man. Personally, I've always found the hype over the Gears franchise to be incredibly overdone and had almost no interest in Gears 2 from the get-go (although it is, admittedly, a technical marvel). He makes a valid point in regards to Gears 2 vs. Resistance 2, as well.

I'm on the fence with Mirror's Edge. Sure, it's a cool idea and if they pull it off I think we'll all be happy. But at the same time, from a design perspective... a lot can go wrong.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:04
Aurain
I hope he doesn't think that the Wii isn't gimmicky, because the Wiimote is the king of gimmicks.

Mirror's Edge at last tries to give full first person immersion, I don't think it will be a great game, but at least it's trying.

I don't care to about Gears of Resident Evil 4 2.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:09
Tubatic
@Chibi: Braid too :P

Granted, I'm not about to take a bullet for Mirror's Edge. But I think there's plenty to be excited about, and I don't think Ben Fritz gets that. Considering, also, that his "A hot chick" comment is more or less irrelevant in the fact that it IS a first person game and would feel more cliche if it were in third person, I don't quite get what he's rambling about.
J03yyz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:10
J03yyz
mirrors edge comes off as pretentious gimmicky crap.

wait, whos Ben Fritz?
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:10
BluDesign
So what? Variety has always had writers on staff who get off on being contrary. Big deal, your opinion is different than someone elses, congratulations.

Still it must kill you that you work for one of the bigger entertainment trade publications out there and that someone that works for a game rag like Game Informer has more pull in the industry than you do.
Mr B Natural's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:11
Mr B Natural
How DARE he be absolutely spot on. Being honest and truthful and not hype-regurgitating is wrong!

What about mirror's edge is innovative? It's a 2d game set in 3d....WOW. I can jump and climb and run! GOTY! And please do not compare portal or braid to this. Mirror's Edge looks ok, don't get me wrong, but the hype for it should have been applied to games like Braid or possibly LBP if it turns out.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:14
Magesx
I've been saying Mirror's Edge looks mediocre for quite awhile.
Logo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:14
Logo
For gears I think even Gears 1.5 is something to get excited about. To me the big draw back of Gears was the poor multiplayer matchmaking and setup. If you took gears but added Halo-like multiplayer features then that alone would be enough to really make Gears shine.

More importantly about ME... while I think the 1st person view is risky overall the game seems a ton of fun depending on how they do it.

Ask yourself how many times have you gone through a room or section of a game (MGS comes to mind for me) where you try to just nail that perfect set of jumps and movements so you can clear the whole thing in one fluid motion (rather than stopping and thinking about every jump).

That's something I find myself doing quite often and if ME's bases its gameplay on letting you do that sort of thing it should be at least entertaining enough for your $60.
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:22
MaximusPaynicus
Oh, something else about Gears 2 that kind of pissed me off -- why are so many people treating the "meat shield" feature like it's some kind of great, new addition that will revolutionize the way we play shooters?
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:22
Tubatic
As hhype goes for Mirror's Edge, though, it feels like its flying an even course. There's no hype for amazing features, there's no mulitplayer promisses, they're not even saying you'll be playing the game perfectly out of the box. There isn't even a developer/producer hype man/woman for the game.

The appeal, for me at least, is this clean, minimal, defensive motif that the game is going for. Considering that, I think there's good amount of original thought, in terms of the first person space, to be exicted about.
thebza's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:27
thebza
@Logo

you can jump in Metal Gear Solid?
moot button's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:29
moot button
Why did I hear the warden from Cool Hand Luke when I followed that link?
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:31
Orionsaint
How is Resistance 2 a dramatic leap forward? Because it had a giant monster? As I see it, it's just a sequel to another FPS game, Zzzzz!

Gears 2 can't be judged on visuals alone. The original Gears is an amazingly fun game online. They've now made it bigger and badder! You can now hold players hostage. You can crawl around the floor. Blow yourself up suicide bomber style. Destructable enviroments. 10 players online. 5 player coop horde mode. Flame Thrower! That's not even half of it. They've taken the original and made it a richer and deeper experience.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:35
Orionsaint
I can't believe anyone can hate on Gears of War. Does change and innovation in a shooter scare you people? I suspect it's coming mostly from the FPS whores!!! Who are used to their precious floating gun style of play. THIRD PERSON SHOOTERS RULE!!! They're taking over and I couldn't be happier about it!
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:36
Maurice Tan
Jeez finally some other people who think Mirror's Edge will be the next Assassin's Creed. Hurray!
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:37
MaximusPaynicus
@ Orionsaint
Considering that Gears of War wasn't that innovative outside of using a cover system that actually worked, I would have to say that no... we're not "scared" of innovation. We welcome it.

We just want to actually see it.
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:40
SourGr8pes
Kinda iffy about ME, since the last time I did platforming in a 3D game was Turok... And we all know how well that turned out. Guess it's one of those games you'd have to actually play first.

Gears 2 doesn't really interest me, as I didn't think Gears 1 was all that great.
JynxShot's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:45
JynxShot
GoW2 looks like the shit. The graphics are kindof the same with improvements, but the gameplay looks like they're adding a lot in terms of new weapons, moves, and new multiplayer modes. We haven't seen enough to really make a judgement, but I'm excited because I love Gears.

Fable II, we haven't seen or heard much about. Molyneaux knew to keep his mouth shut and now I'm legitimately excited about what I've seen so far. It's shaping up great.

I haven't played Mirror's Edge, but I will because it looks interesting, though I'd rather have the new Prince of Persia or something. But I have to say this:

"...first person perspective really didn't work for a game where you're trying to manipulate a character through complex spatial puzzles."

*COUGH*PORTAL*COUGH*
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:48
mistic
whoever wrote should never be allowed to mention their idea about games again...
monosylabik's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:49
monosylabik
i completely agree about gears 1.5
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:50
nilcam
I don't care at all about Gears of War.

I'm interested in Mirror's Edge but I'd honestly be more excited if it were third person. I can't help but think of all the cool animations possible in that case.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:59
Excel-2011
The guy talks about Mirror's Edge as if it's already out.
kadosho's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 15:04
kadosho
Although a bit harsh, I do agree with their opinion on Gears 2 (being 1.5). But Mirror's Edge is a game we don't see too often. Remember freerunning in "Sands of Time"? This is what the Prince would see in first person. Is it on rails? Nah, I definitely believe it has some freedom, but we've only seen a teaser and nothing final.

So who knows, we'll just have to wait and see.
teach4food's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 15:09
teach4food
Great comments. I need to start paying more attention to Variety since this guy makes some really valid points.
kawitchate's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 15:35
kawitchate
so the cool thing was to like Mirror's Edge, and now it's cool to hate on it? i'm so confused...

that said, i'm still looking forward to it. and i'll be buying Gears 2 even though i sort of agree that it's just 1.5. i'm a sucker ok?

(oh and don't trust anything Ron says. besides being drunk all the time, he didn't like Dark Knight)
ZagZagovich's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 15:36
ZagZagovich
He has some good points but isn't the whole thing in jumping puzzles is timing? And Resistance 2 makes a huge leap forward because first one was rather generic then gears 2 has pretty much everything that people wanted, like open, more dynamic and colorful levels, a bit faster combat system and expanded online. Although I judge only by trailers so I may be wrong.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 15:54
MechaMonkey
This is akin to movie critics basing their reviews on the trailers before another film they were seeing.
KMCC's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 15:59
KMCC
When did Variety start talking about games? I think that is what's interesting here.
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 16:09
aborto thefetus
I dissagree entirely with what he said about Gears. Gears 2 look drastically improved over the original. And Killzone 2 a big leap forward? My fucking ass it is.
GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 16:11
GrayFox
Still excited as shit for Mirror's Edge. Maybe it won't deliver, but if it does, hooo boy.
The Hero with 1001 Faces's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 16:23
The Hero with 1001 Faces
I agree with him on almost every point, except for Resistance II being some sort of Gigantor leap forward while Gears II looks like a half-sequel. I didn't follow either game, I don't particularly like shooters, but Gears definitely piqued my interest. I would love to kill my friend and use his body as a shield. At the same time, nothing impressed me with Resistance II.

Also, I do not understand why people like Fallout 3 so much. All they've really shown is people blowing up other people and Todd Howard saying "That never gets old." Yes it does, I'm already tired of it.... The game is visually stunning, in both complexity and content, but the gameplay leaves a lot to be desired.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 16:53
B-Radicate
@SunTzu: Actually, BioShock is really really overrated. The atmosphere was great but there were really no true choices to be made that affected ANYTHING within the game world and the combat was way too over-powered to feel anywhere close to threatening or challenging.

Well, no matter what this guy thinks I still wanna play the majority of the games discussed for myself before I pass judgment.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 17:04
pedrovay2003
@Aurain

I think the Virtual Boy is more gimmicky. :P
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 17:05
pedrovay2003
@The Hero

Just for the record, you can only used downed people as shields, not people you've killed. If they're alive, they can fight back.
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