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Variety gives five reasons why Resident Evil 5 isn't very good photo

I really like Resident Evil 5. It's not perfect, but it's enjoyable, and I've been truly digging it. My opinion seems to be regularly contested, however, and the latest to heavily criticize Capcom's sequel is Variety's Ben Fritz. Not content to give the game its bad review, Ben went ahead and provided five definitive reasons for the game's abject failure.

The five reasons are pretty simple:

  1. It's not scary
  2. It is a mediocre and derivative action game
  3. The co-op doesn't work very well
  4. It's old fashioned
  5. Racial imagery is disturbing

The one major problem I have with Ben's piece isn't the racial part, a subject I've covered to exhaustion. It's his assertion that co-op forces you to restart the game from the last checkpoint and doesn't give the other player any guns whatsoever. He seems to have forgotten that characters carry all their equipment over into each game, and that you can at least hand ammo over when they run out. While I think co-op should let players drop in at any time, not just as the last or next checkpoint, I found that it worked out very well in the game with only a few flaws.

Resident Evil 5 seems to be the most controversial game of the year so far, not just for the racial debate, but for polarizing gamers and games press when it comes to the title's overall quality. I should congratulate Capcom for sparking so much debate, even with Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars allowing players to deal drugs via the DS. For Resident Evil 5 to keep courting controversy in the face of that is quite an achievement.


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SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:07
SephirothX
I agree with you Jim about alot of the racial stuff.

However at the same time, some of the generic portrayals of the not-zombies (IE: the habitats and attire they wear) are simply in poor taste.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:10
SephirothX
@Otomiruninja
Yeah, 4's control scheme is new for the series. But its far from new from the gaming world as a whole, and other games have used the same scheme and improved upon it. What was new 4 years ago isnt new now.

Also, your response to #2 is retarded.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:13
Jim Sterling
SephirothX: To be fair, looking at photos of African villages doesn't indicate to me that Capcom misrepresented anything.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:15
SephirothX
@ Otomiruninja
!? I highly doubt you are african nor do you live in Africa. So I have a feeling we are on equal plain about how Africa 'works'.

I really doubt all Africans do nothing but live in huts wearing nothing but huge tribal masks and just enough clothing to cover their private regions. I have no issues with some of the more industrialized/civil places of the game, where the characters are normally clothed Africans. However the more 'desolate' areas of the game simply dont do anything to dispel the racial firestorm that surrounds the game.

Do I personally have a problem with it? Naw. Was it in the best taste of the game? Probably not.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:16
SephirothX
@ Jim
I understand, (sorry, I'm just trying to play devils advocate here a little).
The Young Scot's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:16
The Young Scot
Resident Evil has never been "scary", at least for me (and I'm usually kinda easy to get freaked out). It's always been more intense than scary, sort of like "oh shit I'm surrounded, FUCK I just ran out of ammo!".
wilbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:18
wilbo
people are bitchy
i like the game so screw you ben
ill go have fun while you complain about this amazing game being "old fashioned"
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:20
covah
I really just don't understand all the hate on this game. It seems like someone just said one thing then everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Its a great fucking game, just enjoy it for fucks sake.
Faith's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:20
Faith
It took me forever to summon up some balls to play Code Veronica for the first time after watching my boyfriend play.

That game scared the piss out of me because I am deathly afraid of zombies, but I love the Resident Evil franchise more now.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:21
SephirothX
@Otomiruninja
Not meaning to shit on your parade or anything, but lots of reviewers compare one title to another whether or not its in the video game genre or not. Is it fair to other games? Not all of the time. But it's perfectly valid to compare one game to another if the two games exist within the exact same genre (like Army of Two & Gears of War, for example). And even if a reviewer doesnt explicitly compare one game to another, to some extent its still done mentally. Comparisons are a form of evaluating quality and while its still subject to opinion, its still a form of benchmarking.

Also while I wont argue that Mirros Edge is innovative. I would DEFINATELY argue against Left 4 Dead being innovative.
Malovane's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:22
Malovane
1. It's not scary
Truth. RE lost a lot of its scare with each new iteration.
2. It is a mediocre and derivative action game
More truth. RE continues to step away from survival horror and tries to be a more of an action shooter with each new iteration.
3. The co-op doesn't work very well
I'd argue that the co-op functions a lot better than the AI team mate does. Sheva is dumber than a rock if you let the computer control her.
4. It's old fashioned
Old fashioned isn't inherently a bad thing. The control scheme and interface being dated and in need of some streamlining is a pretty valid point, but this has little to do with being old fashioned and is more about just being old.
5. Racial imagery is disturbing
This is a completely hollow point with no real merit.
DeadlySwordz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:23
DeadlySwordz
i have to say i agree with some of the things that were mentioned. I haven't gotten this game yet (but have seen my brother play it) due to these 2 reasons.
1. the game is not scary at all. The Resident Evil franchise is suppose to be a survival horror game. And they stopped being that way since Resident Evil 4. Which takes me to the second reason.

2. They turned the series around since 4 and its basically an action game now. I remember the older ones, Resident Evil/Remake, Zero, RE2, RE3, Code Veronica, even the online one Outbreak, lol. Those had their scary moments when they game actually made you jump because something startled you.

3. They are not even zombies anymore it seems.

Since RE4 you don't see these things as much anymore. The only thing that is still there is the bit of the puzzle solving. Other than that, i don't consider RE a survival horror game anymore how it used to be. Silent Hill took over the survival horror genre, when comparing it to RE now. Silent Hill has the numerous scary moments that make you get startled, puzzles which are in fact more complex than RE.

I will probably still get RE5 to keep up with the story etc. But have to say RE was my favorite survival horror game but since RE4, I'm leaning towards Silent Hill to be the better game now. I hope the game goes back to how it used to be. But this is just my own opinion, some may agree, some may not.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:24
Daxelman
@Seph: In the more remote locations of Africa, they still live like that.

My dad was born near one of those locations. He moved to a more city-like local before moving to America.

Shit's real son. Shit's really real.
Scroll's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:26
Scroll
"but lots of reviewers compare one title to another whether or not its in the video game genre or not." That's true but I will say that's fucking lazy.
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:34
JamnOnTheOne
@Otomiruninja

Scripted events are not innovative :-(. Valve is the best at them and take great care in how they are used, but calling scripting innovative is a hard sell when you *really* break it down.
Scroll's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:34
Scroll
I don't consider Wesker dead until he's blown into very small bits and then shat on or admits that he's really Vanilla Ice.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:35
Chronic Logic
It's racist to show africans living in huts, wear tribal masks, or showing their genitals? And how exactly is this racist? If I flip on the National Geographics Channel, I will no doubt find this to be all true. In fact EVERYBODY knows that Africa is like this. But they still call it racist?

This is the reason why I hate living in America. I can't enjoy commiting black zombie genocide while hearing the PC activists bitching about it.
Askherserenity's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:35
Askherserenity
Ok...The game wasn't scary AT ALL. Its not like they tried making it scary though, its clearly just an action game. I didn't buy the game, I rented it and beat it in 2 days (Just played it for the story) and as far as co-op goes, they could have done a better job, at least in the split screen co-op. I'm sure the online co-op works just fine though...

The gameplay itself feels extremely dated. They really should have tried to change it up a bit. I mean, they're still using the same god of war style cut scene button presses. Imagine if MGS4 would've kept the same exact gameplay from MGS3. It seriously wouldn't be the same game at all.

I love the Resident Evil series and that's the only reason I played it. The cinematics and graphics were amazing. When you have to fight the Uroboros in the ship? Fantastic!

I really don't agree with them about the racial imagery though. They need to stfu. I don't think anyone said anything when Leon was shooting at Hispanics in RE4. They're in Africa, I'm pretty sure the majority of the people living there are going to be black.
silvain's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:36
silvain
I agree with the guy at Vanity Fair. He seems to be a little more unswayed by the hype than Jim and most of dtoid.

There's no way that this game is memorable in a few years. Everything in this game was done better somewhere else long before.
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:36
JamnOnTheOne
Also, the statement about the co-op (which seems to be the driver for this article by Jim) has been corrected via an update.

Unless the Variety correction came within the last 2-3 hours, D'Toid may have been sitting on this particular article for days before posting? Especially since the variety piece came out 3 days ago.
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:47
nukka jdav
That hunky grandma be trippin'!

RE5 is a great game. The co-op works very well, its only racist if you're a sensitive prick, and since when is being "old fashioned" a bad thing?

I honestly cannot fathom how people see this game as "not very good", but still put RE4 on a fucking pedestal.
Askherserenity's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:48
Askherserenity
@The Reborn
I'm sure they're not really "Tribal" if they're just wearing ordinary street clothes....You guys are acting like there aren't any actual tribes, like the ones in RE5 anymore because we're in 2009. There are still tribes living like that and It's not like Capcom is putting them down or thinking they're better than them because the live in huts. It's just the way they choose to live...They're a tribe.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:48
Holyetheline
@ Otomiruninja

You are my new hero.
zeroword's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:57
zeroword
@Askherserenity

Hispanics are not the same thing as Spanish/Spaniards. That is all.
Askherserenity's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 10:59
Askherserenity
@Zeroword
I forgot they were Spanish :[ I should know. I'm Hispanic and my girlfriend is Spanish lol...
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 11:07
notdryad
He listed five reasons for why he dislikes Resident Evil 5 and none of them have to do with how terrible the single player is or how Sheva's AI is disgustingly bad?
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 11:13
PappaDukes
Simple translation, Ben sucks at RE 5.
zeroword's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 11:14
zeroword
Actually upon further research (internet), you apparently call Spaniards Hispanic as well as pretty much anyone who speaks Spanish/Portuguese.

Apparently it is a Roman/Latin derived blanket term for all Spanish/Portuguese speaking peoples. I am personally not a big fan of that word. It ignores the significant cultural differences. But I won't be burning down houses or anything over it.
Woverine's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 11:31
Woverine
@jim are you sure about being able to give a weapon in co-op? I am pretty sure you cannot if your playing with a real person. I guess its to prevent people who have beat it just giving all the upgraded crazy weapons to the other players. pretty stupid but yeah you can't.
CaptainApocalypse's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 11:37
CaptainApocalypse
This is pure bollocks. It's not a perfect game, sure, but it's definitely not the travesty he makes it out to be.
BulletTrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 11:40
BulletTrain
I played it for about 2 hours last night, and I from what little I played, the only thing I can agree with is, that its not a scary game.

The pacing of the game is kinda retarded. Either you're in an exploring section, or a section with 900 billion zombies. The transistion between the two is about as smooth as Eward James Olmos' face.

I think it would have been better to have less linear sections populated by less, but harder to kill zombies.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 11:53
TewDee
I agree with 4/5. I think co-op works pretty well.

j/k. I don't think it's racist but I agree on the other points.
elsteveo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 12:00
elsteveo
I was flipping through the channels and came across this african guy whipping the females with twigs and leaving lashes on them. It was pretty fucked up shit.

1. Controls suck balls
joemoemino's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 12:26
joemoemino
Coop works great for me and my friend. Sure we only played mercenaries, but that was great fun, and a much better coop experience than Gears 2 or Halo 3.
Tet's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 12:53
Tet
Nothing is scary when you're in control of a walking armory.
PrinnyMedic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 12:54
PrinnyMedic
All I know is RE4 > RE5

but RE5 is still enjoyable especially once you unlock Professional Mode
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 12:54
Magnalon
Any complaints about this game are nitpicks. "My AI sucked" - get a friend, or learn how to use the AI (give her the SMG and she'll be better than 1/2 the players you meet online). "It's not RE anymore" - nostalgic much? We've had SO many re-iterations,remakes,and original RE games that enough is enough. I'm glad they made a transition to action, and with a friend, the game is incredibly exciting, and fun. Besides, 6 will be a reboot, and most likely will have run and gun.

Points 1 and 2 can apply loosely to RE4, but the action wasn't "old feeling" because it was released a while ago. It still works now, and the game is great. Honestly all the AI complaints are exaggerated in my opinion; if you give Sheva the right tools she'll work fine. Sure, if you give her the stun rod, she'll be retarded, but why would you do that to yourself, then openly complain about it? Fix it and just have fun!

About the Africa stuff, I love how they worked in an ancient tribe half-way in with the main storyline (read the tribe file), and how Africa "started it all". It's really intriguing, and there's nothing racist or disturbing about it.
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 13:01
pascuz46
While I don't find RE5 scary I find it agitating but in a good way. It gets very intense at time and I like that. I disagree with the rest of what Fritz says. It is a great game, well polished and it has some great action sequences. I didn't die as much as I have died in RE4, but I am still having a great time playing it.
Greylocke's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 13:05
Greylocke
*sigh* Yet another article with the word "racism" in it.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 13:16
Jim Sterling
The word racism is not in this article.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 14:17
mix
I have not even jumped ONCE while playing Resident Evil 5, shits just not scary at all and being out during the day doesn't andd ANYTHING to the "atmosphere"

Where are the dogs jumping through windows making me crap my pants at? The left some of the good stuff behind. Guess I'll still have to wait for SH: Homecoming to drop a few bucks to get some chills.

Hell even Dead Space got me to jump a few times!
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 15:01
notdryad
@Magnalon

Sheva's AI is complete dogshit. There's no excuse for a game in 2009 to have AI this repulsive. She constantly wastes all of her ammo because she's shooting for the body, she stands in doorways, she refuses to do any of her melee attacks, she loves to get attacked, she's very slow to knock an enemy off of you, and there's a serious lack of commands to give her. Would it really have been so hard for Capcom to program commands such as pointing your laser sight at a spot on the ground and telling Sheva to stand right there and cover you? What about a command to tell her to start pulling zombies' attention off of you?

"Get a friend."

Yeah, I get it: RE5 is a co-op game. However, that's no excuse for the single-player to be so horrible. Gears of War 1/2 and Army of Two are decidedly co-op games, just like RE5, yet their single-player is tolerable, unlike RE5. What am I suppose to do if my buddy isn't online and I don't feel like playing with random guys over XBL or PSN? Just not play RE5, then? If there was an option to play through Resident Evil 5 with just Chris, then I would love the game.

Honestly, though, I don't know why I'm even bothering with this. When you spew out lines like "any complaints about this game are nitpicks" it's fairly obvious that you'll eat up whatever Capcom shits on your plate as long as they call it Resident Evil.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 15:31
Syn
It's funny that people say "4 years ago!" like it's a lifetime. How old are you guys? 4 years ain't shit.
mmmpek's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 18:55
mmmpek
here are 5 better reasons why it isnt very good:

-the locations arent very dynamic and interesting
-they put in an item-pickup animation
-human-boss fights are as tedious as ever
-u simply dont give a shit about the first lame villain
-somehow they took the fun out of inventory management

and heres 3 more just for fun:

-trying to access/swap items that arent mapped to the quick select buttons during combat IS A BITCH
-u are given nearly every single weapon in the game
-its just not fun enough for a replay
lubczyk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 19:53
lubczyk
Finally, an honest, non-fanboy review. Really, this game has the worst control scheme in the last decade next to maybe Alone in the Dark.
SubOrbital's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2009 22:38
SubOrbital
So it's only racist when the zombies/infected folk are black? The last four REs aren't racist since all those zombies were white, I take it? Yep, racism goes both ways. If you play one way, you have to count it the other too. This is ridiculous.
Anifanatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2009 02:31
Anifanatic
"1. It's not scary" - It's not scary, I agree. Then again, the scary thing about RE games has always been "What's around the corner", "will I run out of ammo" and "Man these controls are going to get me killed". They made the controls better, they give you lots of ammo now, and most of the game is in broad daylight or well lit settings. So they axed anything that even made you think about being scared.

"2. It is a mediocre and derivative action game" - I agree also, I think it's a major step down from RE4. They opted to streamline the game and make it more pick-up-and-play-arcade-style game. RE4 already made the Survival Horror more action and less horror, trimmed puzzles to a bare minimum. This just gutted puzzles all together.

"3. The co-op doesn't work very well" - With a computer AI, that shit is terrible. With a player, it feels great. The controls are good, inventory management works pretty well. They made inventory easy to deal with in a two player game, no suitcase to deal with. It's good for multi-player, but bad for game play overall in my opinion.

"4. It's old fashioned" - Old fashioned? I'm not quite sure I get that statement. It's the same controls (95%) as RE4, and looks more like Gears of War than Resident Evil though. But, old fashioned?

"5. Racial imagery is disturbing" - I have a black friend who's jaw opens up and tries to bite my neck off every time I see him, this game depicts Africans so accurately. *cough* It's not racist because they're black. Unless your secret weapon was a bottle of malt liquor and a bucket of fried chicken, or you could capture a black zombie and make him harvest cotton for you, I think this is a poor statement.

[SPOILER] You notice the game also shows black people helping you? Not just your side kick, but Bravo team. He saves your life time and time again, he's not African American, he's just African. He's not wearing war paint and a loin cloth is he? [/SPOILERS]

For those of you who say "Africa is not like this", you know what, a lot of it isn't like this anymore. Some of it still is. Just like there are still people in the United States that live in shacks with shotguns and are inbreeding and living like it's the 1800's. It's not the standard but it still exists. Likewise, there are people who still live in huts in Africa.

[SPOILERS] And if you played the game, (and read the notes), it explains that they started acting wild and wearing war paint and war masks and stuff only after they were injected with a 'cure' to a disease or something. In fact, the start of the game shows people in t-shirts and pants, and that they are reverting to their aggressive and chaotic tribal roots. [/SPOILERS]

Anyways, how else do I feel about this game?

It's ok, a step in a direction that I don't like. Not a bad game, but not what I would have liked to have seen done. It tries to appeal to the casual pick up and play crowd than the normal time commited Survival Horror crowd.

The fights are not as thrilling, it feels the same as RE4. However, epic boss fights were cut out and replaced with boring grind fights. The new enemies were not that great either, and I didn't care for any of the characters introduced in the game. RE4 had a castle, RE5 had this secret underground ruins. One feels unbelievable, one feels just ridiculous. RE4 had you retracing your steps, but RE5 never looked back.

Any seemingly potentially interesting things in RE5 were quick to end. Flashlight in the cave? Split the team up? Fighting on the back of the truck? They were all for one scene, and they were short (except the back of the truck, it was just uninteresting). Anytime you were divided, you were back together extremely quick. Boss Fights were not fun. At all. Not hard, not interesting, just bland.

Oh, and inventory between scenes is interesting but as wirid as the mysterious vendor was in RE4, at least it made some sense. You got a bigger suitcase, you could buy things from him, sell things to him. Not some magical pawn shop that lives between the chapter worlds.

Playing RE4 only makes me want to play RE5 more. RE5 felt like it was RE4 light. Boat scenes, walking through water, finding emblems, dealing with natives. They gut the story, character development, and what little puzzles they had left. I will still be talking about RE4 with friends next year, I doubt I will be talking about RE5 with friends next month. Sad because I really wanted to like this game.
Triple C's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2009 07:56
Triple C
RE5 is as racist as Alice in Wonderland is sexist.
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