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Valve won’t quit on Left 4 Dead 2 in Australia, despite the title having been rejected by the Australian Classification Board. According to Valve head honcho Gabe Newell, the studio has submitted a new, cleaner version of the zombie-skull buster in an attempt to get a MA15+ rating which would allow the title to see a release.

“We think Left 4 Dead 2 is a lot of fun,” Newell said at a Sydney event yesterday afternoon. “It’s a game for adults. But we’re aware that different countries have different restrictions, and we want to make the choices that make the game the most fun for that country.”

If this different version of game makes it through the process like the original Left 4 Dead did, the studio plans to release an update that will, perhaps, restore the title to its bloody (and original) glory.

Valve has also appealed the decision to keep the original Left 4 Dead 2 out of Australian consumers’ hands. The Classification Board won’t report back to the studio about the appeal until October 22nd, weeks before the game's scheduled worldwide release. Considering the timing, the edited version of the game appears to be a solid back up plan. That is, if the Board approves it for consumption.

[via Kotaku Australia]








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Alasdair Duncan's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 06:22
Alasdair Duncan
The thing that pushed the classification board over was seemingly the melee weapon system, which seems to be an integral part of the sequel. If that's edited out, then there's that's a big gameplay change. I suppose we'll see.
Jack8274's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 06:23
Jack8274
Along with censoring the internet, Australia is only a few steps away from telling people what they can think as well. Of course they would need to since the intense war with Oceania.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 06:41
Cowboy TTop
Valve, you should just have stuck to your guns. Just like GTAIV, many gamers will just import it anyway.

Bend over and lube up, aussies.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 06:50
Xzyliac
And to think I was this close...

> <

...from living in Australia for a while.

Can someone, preferably an Aussie but whoever, explain to me why Australia censors shitz? Color me uneducated but where did all this stem from? Not up to date on my Australian history.
Zantetsuken's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:04
Zantetsuken
@Xzyliac

Australia does not have an "Adult"/18 rating for video games, meaning the content in them has to be suitable for a 15 rating at most.
Vamino's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:22
Vamino
And to allow an R18+ rating for videogames the Attorney Generals from each state must agree to it. Currently it's some curmudgeon in South Australia (Michael Atkinson) holding things up nicely. He "wants to protect the children", yet somehow doesn't realise that an ADULT ONLY rating WOULD protect the children.
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:29
faultymoose
"Can someone, preferably an Aussie but whoever, explain to me why Australia censors shitz? Color me uneducated but where did all this stem from? Not up to date on my Australian history."

It's a bit of a political ass fuck. On this issue, it only requires a single vote in the negative from any state Governor General. And being that South Australia's GG - Atkinson - has chosen to play the morally righteous angle, he's the single negative vote.

It's weird, because Australia does not by any means have a heavily divided left/right political conflict. Mostly, citizens don't care either way. You vote who you vote, and whatever.

As I said, this is just Atkinson's personal little superiority complex, and he's gonna play it out until he's gone, which probably won't be any time soon.

On the flip side though, very little has been banned here. Even less that anyone would want to play. It's weird, but our MA15 rating is far more liberal than, as an example, the US's comparative rating. And yet we don't allow R18+, despite multiple opinion polls and surveys showing that 92 - 95% of Australians are in full support of an R18+ rating for games.

It all comes down to one snooty power-tripping ass hole in Australia's backwater, riding around on his silver stallion and parenting all of us 'vulnerable adults' that require his morally superior guidance.
MesonW's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:30
MesonW
It's my understanding they've always wanted to portray a friendly, safe, cleaner than a nun's thoughts country. Possibly to counter their earlier status as a penal colony?! It kind of makes sense if they felt tarnished, though I see no reason to reason that events from 200-odd years ago should be construed as something to worry about.
That's pure speculation though, so please, no offence intended.
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:31
faultymoose
NOTE: Attorney General, not Governor General. Bed time fail.
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:31
D-503
M15+ sounds really young. Ridiculously limiting.
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:32
faultymoose
MesonW: Huh? It's my understanding that we're pretty synonymous with bikini babes and beer. Have I been living misguided? And to think, none of those hangovers or the sand chafe was necessary after all...
MesonW's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:33
MesonW
And when I say "they've always wanted", my learned pre-commenter faultymoose indicates it only currently stems from one very important source, no doubt clinging to age-old values that others have perhaps moved on from.
MesonW's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:36
MesonW
@faultymoose - I know, it seems a bit contradictory in some ways, but I guess there's a limit that's hit quite hard once those bikinis come off.
Lachlan Watts's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:36
Lachlan Watts
From memory I believe they had a problem with the bodily dismemberment that can be achieved with the weapons, so it is possible that the version will still have the full mellee functionality except without the bonus of chopping off limbs.

Michael Atkinson attempts to justify his opinion by saying that there is a difference between watching violent acts and playing violent acts. But in the end young kids are still playing GTA4 and Saints Row 2, so a higher classification would make it easier (and a legal requirement) to keep it out of their hands over here.
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:38
faultymoose
HA :P Also, for the record, we all kinda LIKE that we were originally a penal colony. Besides the fact that it ALMOST sounds like "butt-sex", it's colorful without being too batshit insane :) Although most of us are descendant from later settlers (in my case, Irish) there's a certain kind of pride that goes along with knowing a distant ancestor got shipped halfway around the planet living on rats and sea water for stealing a loaf of bread or some shit. Don't ask us why, though. Like anything of historical relevance, it doesn't make much sense.
reindall's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 07:50
reindall
They should just replace the zombies with pink pinatas.
KaL YoshiKa's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 08:01
KaL YoshiKa
The obvious irony that we let R rated games pass as MA (the board tries their damnedest to get games through) means children are more not less exposed to violence.

R ratings would make parents think a little harder before letting their kids play it.

Also I wish Valve had offered no compromise (I'm Australian) then the retailers might have complained more. More voices mean more pressure on Atkinson.
Skribble's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 09:14
Skribble
I give it 2 weeks before a gore fix is released by modders.
bagalot's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 09:35
bagalot
Come on, Australians need to learn how to survive the Zombieocalypse too!
IV Backstab MC's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 10:55
IV Backstab MC
I Maed ... A game.. With zombies in it....then it got censored by australia
Ninja Cameraman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 11:04
Ninja Cameraman
How come nobody points out to the Aussie board that they approved the Nazi Zombies mode in Call of Duty: World at War and after like round 10 they start running and acting EXACTLY LIKE THE INFECTED IN LEFT 4 DEAD. Maybe the ratings board sucks that much at it.
My point is they have approved Rage Virus-acting zombies before and have not said a damn thing about the continuing DLC for it (I know they have no say in DLC matters but they would bitch anyway)

Why is it the countries with better censorship laws about TV are fucking pansys when it comes to rating games?

Show boobs and sex scenes after 8pm? Fine by us, the human body is some thing to be appriciated

Blow a guys head off in a movie? Fine its just a movie it's not real!

Kill zombies? Hold on I got Jack Thompson on line 2...
10BobMarleys's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 11:14
10BobMarleys
I've gotta hand it to Valve, this is the smart way to do it.
Downloadable content is subject to ratings. The Australian version of GTA4 had reduced blood and the hooker were toned down, but then Rockstar put them back in with a patch.
I hope this doesn't catch on, or it'll be the end of my banned game collection.
10BobMarleys's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 11:19
10BobMarleys
Sorry, meant to say "isn't subject to ratings." Also, hookers.
Nogarda's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 11:54
Nogarda
You gotta love valve, and i seriously hope they do patch it to original standard post release.

Still it kind of baffles me how they can have a 15 restriction and yet somehow have porn, or is it like japanese porn, but the entire screen is pixilated ?
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 11:55
Holyetheline
Censorship blows.
Prof Doctor's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 12:20
Prof Doctor
@Nogarda the 15 restriction is only the maximum rating for video games, for movies we have an 18 rating and an X rating for Porn.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 12:49
Excel-2011
Were it me, I wouldn't bother with censorship at all. If the original version of any of my works are vetoed by the ratings board, that would be the end of it. I would tell the gamers in that region that "I'm not asking you to pirate it, but it's the only way you're getting it. Blame democracy."
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 14:54
TheDirtyHobo
@Excell

Yeah, just give up on your own game's release in an area a few weeks after flying out to Australia to visit a dedicated fan that raised over 3 grand to get you guys to look at his mod campaign. Give up on a few thousand sales from the region and then spit on their faces saying their government sucks. Indirectly ask them to pirate a multiplayer game that they couldn't even play online BECAUSE they pirated it.

Great idea.
DanMazkin's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 18:56
DanMazkin
I called it, god damn it.
LazyAza's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 20:32
LazyAza
I am an aussie and I have a very simple answer for why this keeps happening: Michael Atkinson.

He's an idiot and he's solely responsible for why games get banned. Its just one man with an agenda who doesn't care about rights and just like Jack Tompson truly believes violent games are a HUGE part of what is wrong with young people just like tv and music was once believed to be the cause.

Bottom line; old guy thinks he's right and we're wrong, but because he has the power and we don't he wins. Until the collective gaming community of Australia takes drastic action he's just going to keep on abusing us.
ChildOfLore's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 04:28
ChildOfLore
All together now: FUCK YOU MICHAEL ATKINSON!
DragonLord602's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 08:57
DragonLord602
Australia does not have an "Adult"/18 rating for video games, meaning the content in them has to be suitable for a 15 rating at most <--- thats BULLSHIT they rated res evil 5 18+ in sotres for the fing game,its even got 18+ on the damn box FFS just make it 18+ and stick it in stores problem solved its as simple as that if they rate res evil for 18+ they can do it for l4d 2 ffs,my 15 year old cus went in to buy res evil 5 at ebgames and they asked him for I.D he showed and they said sorry ur not old enough and thats for a fing XBOX360 game theres no big difference besides some U.S person is gunna crack it so aussies can play it offline and lan it its gunna end up happening so why bother prolonging it when thats gunna happen? it happens to all games....not only that us aussie's can get someone from outside australia to pre-order and send it as a gift on steam now whats stopping us from doing that? nothing what so eva thats what
DragonLord602's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 08:58
DragonLord602
if you edit l4d 2 then it won't be l4d 2 it'll just be l4d expansion basicly
DragonLord602's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 09:00
DragonLord602
if they say theres no 18+ games in australia they should take away the 18+ restrictions on movies as well so its fair otherwise there just biasit to gamers who love the gore and gibs and the insane fun of games like l4d
DragonLord602's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 09:22
DragonLord602
lol lvl 10 in nazi zombies is nothing by lvl 27 they are basicly like a real zombie it takes for eva to kill em and theres soooooo many of em not to mention the zombie dogs that spawn....they are rotting and u see them you can crouch to get a better view,its always fun to kill a zombie and hacking it apart fuck that be sweeet as,what they should do is bring out a verson of the kiddies that have flowers for blood or somethin else for blood,serious sam 2 you can change the gore and what it looks like,some games out now even have parental vid restrictions on them and they won't let l4d 2 in aus....talk about one fucking sided on the matter am i right about this? call of duty world at war has a graphic lock on it its not hard to do the same for l4d 2 fuck sake its quite simple in a way....when the lock is on it takes all the blood and heat shot splats out of the game,call of duty world at war has dismemberment in it granted u need to use a explosive but you can do it and the lock also prevents that which was a good idea at the time but redoing l4d 2 when they have shit like i just said in call of duty world at war...thats fucking biasit right there,war games are actualy worse then zombie games,war games can have an effect on certian people that makes em wanna join the army i admit it i'm one of em but i changed my mind because reason took ova b4 i actually signed up for it thankfully:) and wif games that can blow limbs off or chop them off from what i'v heard in l4d 2 THERE JUST GAMES IN THE FUCKING END you retard just let it be,as technolagy progess's theres gunna be more detail and more limbs in games to come and in the future they will probley put a graphic lock on it instead of redoing the game why? because its easyer and faster and it'd make alot of aussies happy i'm a aussie and i'm a very pissed off one coz of theys l4d 2 bullshit if you don't bleive me about the res evil 5 game send me a email @ michael_fed_200@hotmail.com and i'll show you on my web cam for the fucking proof....am i alone in what i'v said or do some of you agree with me?pronley agree coz we want the game just let it be released as it was intened to and let the partents put the graphic's lock on,and password it with 5 letters and 5 numbers,then the kid will enva eva get the password till you tell them see problem solved right here :) i'm 20 btw and my life has been in computers and games so i know what i'm talkin about sorry for the long info but i had to get it out,also zombie games lets ppl have fun wif there friends,GH3 has no restriction on it and its got sexual content i mean WTF is that bullshit? and they didn't rate that....its zombie games just coz you don't like em MICHAEL ATKINSON dosn't mean the rest of australia has to suffer u FUCK
DragonLord602's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 09:26
DragonLord602
sorry my email is michael_fed_2010@hotmail.com not michael_fed_200@hotmail.com
Chris Sinclair's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 09:58
Chris Sinclair
Eh the problem with getting someone to gift it o you is it is against steam policies so if you do it there's a chance yours and the gifters accounts will be deleted
DragonLord602's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 10:25
DragonLord602
yeah thats true but the other way is to just go ova there by it from a store jumping on my steam account ova there and presto i got the non cencored edition :)
Chris Sinclair's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 11:47
Chris Sinclair
wow a coupla hundred $$$ trip for a game?
DragonLord602's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/08/2009 11:53
DragonLord602
i'd rather pay a few hundred for a game then to get a pussy retarded verson of it
windfrost's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/12/2009 03:27
windfrost
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