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Valve says Brits don't talk enough online photo

I'm British by birth, and I must admit that screaming obscenities into a headset while trying to play videogames doesn't appeal to me. Apparently this is something not exclusive to your humble writer, with Valve recently concluding that Brits are too quiet.

"One thing I wanted to add before I go for you Brits: communicate. Don't be scared of a microphone," urges Left 4 Dead 2 writer Chet Faliszek. "You guys are notorious non-talkers on both 360 and PC. Americans are just chattering away, working together as a team. If you want to work together as a team you've got to talk!

"You can go into a random 360 game on US servers and it's crazy talk. It's fun. I think a lot of people knock that community but again and again I'm surprised by how fun that is. I've played expert campaigns where by the end of it we're best buddies. Realism mode will prod you -- you have to talk. If you don't talk you're not going to make it. Instead of being harder, Realism's actually more challenging as a team because you have to communicate. When a Smoker pulls you off somewhere you've got to yell because nobody can see where you are.

"The first time you see people play somebody will go in a house to get some stuff, turn around a be like 'sh*t, I can't see anybody'. It's a scary feeling. We'll see if that maybe stimulate the British sternness."

I don't think being "stern" is the problem. Ever since moving to America, I have learned that the natives of this fine land are yet to learn the gift of shame, and I believe this is what allows Americans to chatter inane crap all the time when I'm trying to play some videogames. Give it another five-hundred years, and I believe Americans will have achieved the ability to self-reflect. Then I don't think they'll be talking as much anymore.


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TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:42
TheDreadHawk
he actually gave Xbox Live a psuedo-compliment? ... Woah.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:48
Jon B
From my experience online, Americans are fucking arseholes to brits most of the time. That's why we're quiet.


Buuuut I guess that's only the case on Xbox Live, huh?
ZethUK's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:49
ZethUK
I'm British and I only use voice chat with people that I know. I kind of thought that was the norm amongst gamers.

Granted I don't own a console and play my games on a PC so I don't have a huge range of voice chat experience over different medium. But I, like most other people I know, have always been on the assumption that most the people that use voice chat in random games with strangers were babbling idiots.
UntidyDubs's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:52
UntidyDubs
@Jon B

Totally agree! The amount of times simply speaking has caused me to receive a huge amount of random insults for no friggin' reason is enough to keep us quiet. It's for this very reason that I only ever play with actual friends online - been this way for about four years now. Thankfully I have a solid group of people, both British and American, that I play Left 4 Dead with, so we'll be all over Left 4 Dead 2 and not run into these issues.

Your average American LIVE user aren't exactly the most welcoming of players. The bastards.
embef's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:52
embef
I completely agree. But this doesn't just go for the British. All of Europe are dead silent in multiplayer games, and it bothers me. Teamplay is pretty much nonexistent in these games. For a game such as L4D talking over a mic should be completely normal, but it NEVER happens.
Mr Pibb's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:53
Mr Pibb
In my experience online strangers rarely, if ever, say something valuable which is why I only use a mic when playing with people I already know. Maybe it's different in a game like Left 4 Dead but considering the nature of most in-game communication can you really blame us for being quiet?
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:56
Stevil
CArrying on from what Jon B says, I find Americans are just too damn controlling in these types of games. It's their way or the highway. The irony is that those sessions usually end in complete failure. I'd say I've had more success with European players than Americans in Left 4 Dead, just because everyone feels more comfortable throwing ideas out there (and not being dismissed for it).
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:56
Stevil
Carrying on from what Jon B says, I find Americans are just too damn controlling in these types of games. It's their way or the highway. The irony is that those sessions usually end in complete failure. I'd say I've had more success with European players than Americans in Left 4 Dead, just because everyone feels more comfortable throwing ideas out there (and not being dismissed for it).
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:57
Fiat Mediocrity
Yeah, heaven forbid we talk to other people on the internet.
arbsnotdead's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:59
arbsnotdead
I'm filipino, and i swear a lot using my own language. Im not tagalog, but i know tagalog. I just find it funny, because everytime i curse online, some white dudes would follow a word i say with slang accents.
shawn is boring's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:59
shawn is boring
I Mute everyone, always
Monster w21 Faces's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 08:59
Monster w21 Faces
I don't really appreciate being called a 'Brit Fag' when playing consoles online. As for PC games, we talk plenty, we just use ventrillo instead of steamchat.
shawn is boring's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:00
shawn is boring
except this awesome guy on counter strike like 6 years ago who kept taunting everyone and claiming headshots when he missed the guy entirely. I think he sang a bit too, he was great fun.
Kooichi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:00
Kooichi
I'm not British but I also rarely talk online. Talking to strangers who are usually either children or idiots does not appeal to me either when I'm trying to calmly enjoy my game. Every now and then I would put on my headset when I hear a teammate using smart strategies or when they have a fun idea. But it's very rare.
dip's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:04
dip
I don't own a 360 and thus don't have any experience with LIVE but that community and the PC community sound worlds different. I play a fuckton of TF2 and sure you get the occasional obnoxious jerkoff or whiny 12 year old but for the most part, the people talking are friendly, work together as a team and just have fun (and this is people of all nationalities... I know a lot of brits, aussies, etc. who talk a lot in these games).

LIVE sounds like it's like youtube... if everyone was speaking with mics instead of typing. FUCK that. One would think PC gaming would be the same, but it's just not so in my experience. At least not with TF2.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:12
Fiat Mediocrity
Actually, I retract my previous comment.

I've been playing at a fairly large CS community for years and we've got a few British members. Our community is completely based on talking shit to each other while playing games and a lot of Brits have come and gone but a handful have stuck around. The ones that leave generally do so with fuss because they can't handle it. The ones that stay sling just as much shit back if not more. The same things happens with Americans, Mexicans, Canads, French Canads, Germans, the filthy Dutch, Danes, and various Scandinavians.

I find it wholly unfair to both of our nationalities to just label his as an Americans VS. Brits sort of deal. While I won't deny that being British has an innate higher chance to proc being a wuss, but people from all over the world have their own tastes and to be honest there's nothing wrong with any preference of play style (except being British).
Robotic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:19
Robotic
You mean that the Brits don't like coming into a lobby where two gangs are talking smack, laughing at the comments, and then being told that your a stupid-ass cracker? For shame.
Doomtrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:23
Doomtrain
Brits are the best ever.

Americans are the worse ever.

Journalism.
Sherwood513's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:24
Sherwood513
Iremember playing GRAW 2 with 4 guys that claimed to be British Special Forces. They kicked enemy ass in that game, I always had the lowest frags, but they kept me around anyway. Good chaps, wish I had friended them.
Reginald Atkins's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:28
Reginald Atkins
I'm very American, but apparently I chat online like one, or rather I *don't* chat online like one. it's not just Xbox Live, pick your MMO with voice chat, if it's even a remotely competitive game the chat (voice or text) is somewhere between inane and insipid.

"Give it another five-hundred years, and I believe Americans will have achieved the ability to self-reflect." I see from this statement that you are an optimist...
Samson's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:32
Samson
I remember when Call of Duty 4 first dropped, I ended up with a lot of britsh fellows in every game lobby, and they weren't hesitant to drop F Bombs non stop, along with that cheeky britsh slang of theirs. But this is generally the only occurence of mine. the rest of the time it's pretty silent, but they do have the habit of dropping some amazing one liners.
CtMythic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:33
CtMythic
Nearly every time I talk on XBL, I am a "Fucking British faggot", "British Ni*ger", or even worse, "Australian". You get the standard trash talk but that doesn't bother me, a bit of banter is funny and I've made a few online friends through it. Sadly, the majority is just uneducated bullshit. Even on the more friendly games like L4D it's pretty commonplace. I know it's the worst kind who do it, but there's enough of them to justify me using the Mute All Voice settings wherever they are available because I can't be fucked to sit and call them all cunts, knowing that they'll pussy out and file a complaint so I get voice banned again.
matty125's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:34
matty125
Could be worse. You know, with the constant "jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja...".
And they don't even talk.
scrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:35
scrap
One of my favorite experiences on Live was a night of Farcry 2 team deathmatch with a group of Brits. I think they were wary of me at first because I'm American, so I was dubbed a "wanker" at first. As soon as they saw I was there to play a game and not be a dickhole I was quickly accepted and got a couple friend requests afterwards.
Shulamm's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:37
Shulamm
I'm Spanish, and I also hardly talk online to strangers, English-speakers or not, just friends. You can find all kind of dudes from everywhere, but in my experience with L4D, I went through three campaigns on expert with another bunch of British people, and it was very enjoyable, even talking just the necessary. On the other hand, I can remember a match with an American guy who thought that Spain was next to Mexico. I don't think he was making fun of me, but in any case, pathetic. Then, a couple of guys who were just jerks. Anyway, apart from L4D, I have met some quite nice and interesting American guys, but, well, maybe they're the exception.
NoJ87's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:37
NoJ87
I barely talk on my mic, and I'm American. I've also played with a British player who wouldn't stop talking on his mic. So it all comes down to personality, really.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:39
falinter
Its because the only way to discriminate on LIVE is by voice or gamertag which is why I'm sure Microsoft doesn't let people say stuff about their orientation on their gamertag. But they can't stop being from sounding different.

And thats what the anonymous masses are drawn to. Someone sounds different. ABUSE HIM!

Fact o' life.
bobyoko's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:39
bobyoko
shame? this from the guy who writes post after post about his lust for a computer image? ha ha ha. yeah right, jim, sorry we offended your tender sensibilities.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:41
Elsa
I just love playing with Brits. I used to play with a bunch of them in the afternoons when I played Resistance 2 co-op and currently I run across a fair number of them in the afternoon sessions of MAG.

They DO talk... but you're right that they don't tend to trash talk or scream obscenities. Many seem to like to "chat" - the usual "where are you from" type stuff... and they also talk game strategy. They're a ton of fun to play online with!
(oh, and this is PS3)
LackofPants's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:42
LackofPants
I remember playing Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare with a buddy of mine, playing team deathmatch, and we were with an entire group of british children. Probably 10 years old by their voices, demeanor, the noises/squeals they made, etc.

They were not quiet. They were MAJOR lolz, but they weren't trying to be funny.

"SHOOT THROUGH THE DERRRRR" <-(door) In a high pitch, squeal like voice, over and over. It had me and my friend laughing so hard we could barely play.

Maybe it's only older Brits, but even so I've had lolz conversations with some.
Jesus H Christ's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:43
Jesus H Christ


USA USA USA
TheTruth's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:45
TheTruth
I'm American born and bred and I'll be the first to agree that if any foreigner got their first taste of Americans through online gamers, particularly on 360, I'd understand if they grew to hate us.

I've often felt ashamed to tell anyone I game, because I don't want to be seen as one of the many, many, many idiots who swear away worse than a Tourettes sufferer and constantly spit out the worst racist and homophobic sayings around.

Valve thinks we play together more as a team? Sure, if we get a game together with people we know. But a room of strangers...my experience has been one in maybe every five hundred gamers I come across ever played as a team and/or had a friendly demeanor.

These days I don't wear a mic. I still do my best to back people up or revive and I actually do try to work together instead of being concerned with my kills at the end of a round. But my days of communicated through actual talk...good people were SO rare and the negativity so great, I'm staying muted.

Maybe I just need British people on my friend's list, lag be damned. I think Jim hits an accurate point, those bad behaving gamers do have an incredibly large lack of shame, humility or respect.
Rammstein's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:47
Rammstein
I love you Jesus H.Christ.
flabzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:49
flabzilla
I hardly talk in real life, takes me a while to get comfortable enough with someone to openly chat to them.

So the mic stays in the drawer with random match ups.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:50
Xzyliac
Hmmm...maybe I'm actually British then.
corjen's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:54
corjen
Xbox Live is a joke, you cant blame the brits for not wanting to scream like the hundreds of 13 year old homophobes that make up 90% of the live community.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:55
Fiat Mediocrity
ಠ_ಠ I am disappointed in all of you. Except that bald eagle.


Also, can we get a confirmation for that Add to Friends link? I just added someone because I'm retarded and click randomly while moving the mouse.
The Young Scot's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:56
The Young Scot
I talk plenty, but only to people on my friends list.
Uzzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 09:59
Uzzy
Just to bring some qualified theories into the discussion, I'd blame the school systems. The American Schools seem to encourage public speaking infront of relative strangers from an early age, whereas the British Schooling system really doesn't. You should see how people act in my University classes. Half the time I'm the only one speaking. Us Brits don't really want to put ourselves out there, as we might be wrong or not accepted. This doesn't seem to be the case over in America.
BusyHands's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:04
BusyHands
I'm a Londoner and I must admit I don't like talking to strangers for the sake of talking, it's weird and a little creepy. But in games that are made for teamwork, like Left 4 Dead I always talk, it's just more fun.
Having said that I still don't spend much time talking about my feelings and favourite colours with that weird guy in the lobby who wants to chat about how much he likes cats.
RoninZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:05
RoninZero
I'm glad I'm not the "average" American gamer. I don't talk in games unless it is needed, something awesome happens, or if the people and I become pals.

I never knew about the "realism" mode...must be because I'm so pissed at PayPal at the moment, but still, sounds fun. Too bad they don't have vocal chat cut out randomly when being choked by a smoker or something.
Frohike's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:05
Frohike
I agree. I don't think the lack of a filter/buffer between brain and mouth is a positive trait. Sure, speak when you need to, or when it's not inane or insulting, but otherwise just SFFUAJPG. "Community" ... lol
Onlineatron's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:05
Onlineatron
I'm British

I hate talking online

Unless with friends
matty125's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:10
matty125
Online etiquette lol
scrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:10
scrap
All talk and no play make Homer go something, something...
Ace Flibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:11
Ace Flibble
I fail to see how it's a bad thing that we don't talk as much shite as Americans do.
Sarana Na Sopanpanichkul's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:14
Sarana Na Sopanpanichkul
Average gamers don't blog.
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:23
Dexter345
Oh, us real Americans, playing the game like it is supposed to be played. Shame on us, eh Jim?
Space Moose's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:23
Space Moose
I'm legally a British citizen.. But I was born in Canada which is cool because it gives me a free pass to watch Coronation Street and still have nice teeth and cheaper video games..
Ignominus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2009 10:26
Ignominus
I suppose I'll start by apologizing for not apologizing for being an American. My bad. I've encountered a few jerks from over the pond back when I could still tolerate the halo community. Many of them were elitist pricks like our friend Mr. Sterling here. Assholes are universal. Even with my own experience with people (domestic or foreign), I won't judge a nation or region by its biggest assholes. In any given game most players in a match aren't using mics but those who do more than make up for it. Who am I kidding? America is a nation of douchebags, welcome aboard Jim! :P
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