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Valve reflects on the Left 4 Dead 2 boycott photo

With Left 4 Dead 2 out this week (review coming soon!), the notorious boycott of Valve's zombie apocalypse sequel is all but forgotten. Even so, Valve has been reflecting on the incident with Videogamer.com, talking about how it was like a "fight inside the family" and how they never wanted it to become an "us versus them" struggle like the gaming media (myself included, because it was great fun) did.

"But it was more like a fight inside the family," explains writer Chet Faliszek. "We have 3.5 million people playing Left 4 Dead 1. 40,000 said something. They are passionate about our games. They play our games. So we always take the feedback seriously, because we're gamers as well, and these are people who are playing our games and will probably play our games with us. So we always want to make sure we're listening and understanding the issues.

"... But honestly, that's fair, because I don't expect everyone to know the whole history of Valve. I don't expect anyone to know who I am. I don't expect anyone to know who Gabe is. I don't expect them to have played Half-Life. That would be arrogant to think that people know us that well."

Chet also talks about the E3 reveal that first soured gamer expectations: " ... There are always refinements we always do, and we always knew we were going to have all this. But you've got to show the game at some point, and that's what we did. We knew when we were first showing it that it was good and that we would be at this place now and be happy."

Left 4 Dead 2 hits stores on Tuesday and while I'm not allowed to say much about it right now, I can tell you one thing -- if you liked the first one, you want this.


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Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 11:41
Jon B
Hahaha, it looks like the zombie on the right is holding up the camera for his holiday photos.
Plus he has a shitfaced grin on too.
jean2317's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 11:45
jean2317
Hit boycotters with frying pans. If theyre bleeding they have something to cry about then instead of bitch! :D
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 11:45
Shadowiii
I want the review.
I would buy this game Tuesday but I have so many tests this week I'm afraid to get it and then subsequently fail aforementioned tests. It looks like it's going to have to wait until Thursday or Friday.
Tha Meat's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 11:47
Tha Meat
Whos up for a midnight, lets see if we can flood the servers, L4D2 launch party tonight?
Ruben Hanssen's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 11:51
Ruben Hanssen
I don't really get the L4D2 boycotters. This is more then just some random DLC package. A lot of work and effort has been put into this game to make it a worthy sequel.
sprldr's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 11:57
sprldr
Episode Three pl0x
Tarvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 11:58
Tarvu
Episode three and Portal 2 plox moer liek.

I won't be getting it anyway since the network here has a tendancy to hate steam.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 12:01
Electrium
I thought the Shadow Complex boycott was unnecessary, but this? Obviously these people have a right to boycott it but I think there are far worse things that could happen to the world than have a sequel to a really good game get released.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 12:01
Holyetheline
Tomorrow came too fast... The dust is settling from my recent game purchases and MW2, NSMB Wii, and Borderlands all need my attention... now this too!
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 12:10
HEL105
I eagerly await the review, though I'm already sure that this game is the tits.
Dangsterr's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 12:25
Dangsterr
I SERIOUSLY NEED MY NEW PC ¬¬
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 12:33
StingingVelvet
Since this is a Valve game it should really be reviewed on a PC, but I know the chances of that are one in a million.

At any rate the game unlocks in 10 hours on Steam... can't wait.
NoctisLucisC's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 12:47
NoctisLucisC
way much overated
VGFreak1225's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 12:57
VGFreak1225
@Stinging Velvet: Why wouldn't it be reviewed on PC? Anthony did.
BurnPianoBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 12:58
BurnPianoBurn
note: This game isn't over rated, it's one of the best fps in the market.

Oh and if you guys remember the demo...and how us PC players got delayed 24 hours, I'm not getting my hopes up for a Midnight Release... Never the less, I will be playing this hardcore non-stop due to me taking Wed off work. BROFIST
VGFreak1225's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 13:02
VGFreak1225
@BurnPianoBurn: I highly doubt Valve would postpone the release at this point. A demo being postponed is significantly different than the final product, which we paid good money for, being pushed back.
Nick Willett's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 13:04
Nick Willett
It isn't a new game, it's Left 4 Dead reskinned. The only things added to the game are direct responses to criticism of Left 4 Dead. Rolling crescendos are a response to survivors camping corners during events. Level director is a response to people who have memorized the level and run full speed. Uncommon infected are a response to people just sitting in a corner shooting everthing that comes through a doorway mindlessly. Wandering witch is there to combat the simplicity of avoiding the witch in Left 4 Dead. Spitter and charger is to help with camping, jockey is an alternate version of the smoker (purpose to split up survivors and drag them to traps). New weapons and levels are nice but do they really affect the gameplay? No, they are for looks and atmosphere. Which is a subjective thing (I personally prefer the nighttime atmosphere of L4D, but to each his own). These things are all responses to criticism of L4D, hence people calling it an expansion pack. When you build a sequel within months of finishing the previous game on essentially the same engine, you better bring something revolutionary to the table. L4D2 has failed in that aspect.
Johan Ayala's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 13:18
Johan Ayala
I won't be getting left 4 dead 2 when it comes out, but definetly this friday.
VGFreak1225's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 13:39
VGFreak1225
@Nick Willett: Was Rock Band 2 an expansion pack to RB1? Is LostWinds: Winter of the Melodias an expansion pack to LostWinds? I'd disagree.
Even if the game is nothing more than a glorified expansion pack that fixes the problems from the first game, why would you complain? The players are getting what they want. We're getting even more content than the first game when it was released at the same price. Valve can't release everything for free, someone needed to be paid to create it.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 13:50
Jon B
@Nick
You do realise that LOADS of companies do that, right? In fact some of the most popular companies out there do it hugely. Hell, Valve admitted openly they didn't support L4D1 like they wanted to and plan to support 2 more.

And you come off as if Gabe just ate your dog in your post. Jus' sayin.
ouched's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 13:56
ouched
@Nick Willett

I'm just asking because you seem to have done some thought on the matter, and I would assume you're in the boycotter camp or are enjoying playing devil's advocate. And this is a totally serious question, not trying to be an ass here.

What would could they have added or changed where you would have thought "ok, thats an acceptable sequel"? Other than the price.

I respect most of your points, but what you just described is iteration and refinement, which is bread and butter of most game sequels.

If this were any other studio, no one would be surprised at all that they were being asked to pay full price for new content, especially when the original game was only 4 campaigns versus 5 in the new, and the addition of 2 new game modes on top of the existing and expansion content from the original. But because it's Valve, who has apparently spoiled some of it's community rotten with free content, it becomes an issue.
ohno's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 14:08
ohno
Nick's not complaining. He's voicing his thought-out opinion on L4D2. I happen to agree with him too.

I'm not buying L4D2 either, but for other reasons.
LsTr Of SmG's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 14:18
LsTr Of SmG
I'm with ouched.

'I respect most of your points, but what you just described is iteration and refinement, which is bread and butter of most game sequels.'

I'd go so far as to say it's the bread and butter of ALL good sequels.
Zero_armada's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 14:19
Zero_armada
The boycotters got a new target in MW2.
BurnPianoBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 14:49
BurnPianoBurn
Wow people not buying a game, what's new. I understand everyone has their specific feelings on certain games, I just am not going to be one missing out on a game that was fantastic, only to feed me more of things I enjoy.

Complaining about l4d2 is like complaining about Madden. Seriously, who cares, you'll end up buying it anyways and you'll enjoy it.
Ghostchant's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 15:24
Ghostchant
@Ouched

Did everyone forget about the interviews with Chet where he said that L4D would be supported like TF2? And that they would add nearly everything that they are putting into L4D2.

So am I being spoiled because I expected them to do something they said they would?
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 15:53
StingingVelvet
@ VGfreak

Wow, thanks for linking that, I am honestly stunned.

Still, since Jim is hinting he is the reviewer, if it is a PC review I will eat my hat.
Uzzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 15:55
Uzzy
Not interested in L4D2, sadly. I played the demo, and it felt like the mood of the game had changed, as emphasised mainly through the new levels (daytime), scenery, characters etc. The first one gave me a sense of horror and grim survivalism, especially with the intro video showing the survivors running away from any undead. L4D2 seems far more action based, with it's Grenade Launchers, explosive ammo, and a 'Kill em all' attitude from the survivors. Add in the fighter jets and explosive finales, and it's clear that the emphasis is on action. Not that it's a bad thing, but it's not really what I liked about the game.

On top of that, I've got MW2 and Borderlands if I want action or 4 player multiplayer, along with Dragon Age and Assassins Creed 2 coming up. Besides, L4D3 will be out this time next year.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 16:19
StingingVelvet
@ Uzzy

Only one, maybe two, of the five levels are in daytime.

I do agree it seems more based on fun and crazyness than the original though... personally I like that, it means I have a reason to play both and that they are different games.

It really is an expansion pack billed as a sequel though... if I hadn't of been able to get the Steam preorder deal for $33 I might not have bit for a while.
ouched's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 16:28
ouched
@Ghostchant

Nice. I know that my question wasn't directed at you, but thanks for ignoring it just the same. Yes, Chet said that was their goal, THEN. And content has been forth coming. As much as TF2? No. But have they publicly stated that there would be no more L4D DLC?

Yes, to answer your question, you are indeed being a spoiled, petulant child for not understanding that plans change, shit happens, and oh yeah, the economy tanked, and tanked still more, and I would suggest growing up.

Valve is a company, with people that it does in fact, employ people. So yes, if they changed their plans somewhat due to the economic downturn and the fact that they don't ship many titles a year, I wouldn't blame them. We don't know the state of Valve's financial, as they are privately held, and here you are, acting like a child on Christmas morning, tears in his eyes saying "but you said, but you said," in the worst economic climate since the 1970s

Well, all that free DLC costs money to make, pal. Its nice when it is free, but TF2 is the exception, not the rule. And if you didn't get your money out of what's on the disc, you only have yourself to blame. I've gotten more fun out of that single disc than I have out of 3-4 AAA recent launches combined.

@ Nick Willett, if you're out there, I'd still like to hear your thoughts, unless of course your primary answer is something Chet or Gabe said to the press a handful of times, not a signed contract to you promising DLC in exchange for nothing, which warrants the above.
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 16:32
Monte
Ya, i feel like valve did learn or thing or two from the whole experience... like making sure to think about some of the conclusions some consumers might jump too with certain announcements and making sure to cover those...

It will be a good thing to remember when they announce Left4Dead3, to be released next year =p
Paroxysm's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 17:20
Paroxysm
There aren't really any boycotter left. Pretty much everything that was wanted was met. L4D2 made enough changes to justify itself, the price is good (cost me less than $40AUS when the first cost be about $80), DLC was announced and released. Really anyone left complaining just hasn't been paying attention.
Ghostchant's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 19:14
Ghostchant
@Ouched

They released a bunch of content that should have already been in the game. Hell, how long did it take to get them to release Dead Air and Death Toll for versus? And don't tell me the development of L4D2 didn't contribute to the delay.

And to answer your question, nothing. Everything they added makes it deserving of a sequel. But that doesn't make the bad taste in my mouth go away from the half a game that was L4D.

L4D2 is the game that L4D should have been. What blows me away is how long it took to get L4D released and then they can turn around and crank out a sequel with twice as much in a year.

Your economic excuse can go both ways. And if the economy is their excuse they need to fire their accountant. Hell, all they would have to do is release Episode 3 and they would be set for the next decade. I would not have been upset in the slightest had they maid it paid DLC. L4D2 is worth no more than $30 to anyone who purchased L4D. And I such I refuse to buy until it drops to that price.

And 1 little comment on a lame blog makes me whiny?
ouched's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2009 19:58
ouched
I'll grant you, versus for the other 2 campaigns should have shipped on the disc, but L4D2 had nothing to with it, making a holiday launch however, did.

And the bonus on survival mode and crash course campaign were good free additions if you play on PCs as god intended.

Is this tf2 level support? Like I said, no. Did L4D2 impact it in some way? Probably. But in these tough times, it's hard for me to fault them for changing their minds on support. And "firing their accountant" doesn't bring in revenue, shipping a good title during a holiday will.

And firing Episode III out the door prematurely would do more damage than good. Considering how little has been said on it, I suspect they've restarted the project from scratch at least once.

L4D was arguably pushed out the door before it was finished. Now imagine that, X 50 because of the expectations that are on it. If a little less L4D support means I get L4D2, and that Episode 3 comes out before I die, I'll take it, though obviosly that opinion isn't universal.

I also see it this way. L4d was finished eventually. I'm still waiting on a complete end to KotORII. Valve gave me my money's worth. If a bit late. And it was a blast.
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