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@yutt
Do you even play TF2? Geez, you're throwing the word "fuck" around a lot as if I've offended you and your family in some way. Did a TF2 idle camper rape you as a child?
Do you even play TF2? Geez, you're throwing the word "fuck" around a lot as if I've offended you and your family in some way. Did a TF2 idle camper rape you as a child?
@yutt
Do you even play TF2? Geez, you're throwing the word "fuck" around a lot, as if I somehow greatly offended you and your ancestry. Did a TF2 idle camper rape you as a child?
Do you even play TF2? Geez, you're throwing the word "fuck" around a lot, as if I somehow greatly offended you and your ancestry. Did a TF2 idle camper rape you as a child?
@GolderGamerXero
Idlers break the game for other players by taking useful slots from teams. They're not doing anything actively wrong (letting the EULA thing aside), but its not just a bathroom break, they're ruining everyone else's experience by standing there not helping because of some fucking insignificant virtual hat they feel entitled to, to prove to some online stranger that they're special in some retarded way.
To me the Halo thing is a stroke of genius as it not only makes it evident who's a cheater it also gives everyone else a hat.
BTW, I was playing the game a few hours ago and there was a cheater engie spamming fully upgraded sentries and dispensers. At the beginning I didn't care much as I hoped he was having a small 5 minute fun, but he kept doing it during every match, and when I confronted other players nobody else seemed to care. I took a few screenshots, can anyone tell me how to report him?
Idlers break the game for other players by taking useful slots from teams. They're not doing anything actively wrong (letting the EULA thing aside), but its not just a bathroom break, they're ruining everyone else's experience by standing there not helping because of some fucking insignificant virtual hat they feel entitled to, to prove to some online stranger that they're special in some retarded way.
To me the Halo thing is a stroke of genius as it not only makes it evident who's a cheater it also gives everyone else a hat.
BTW, I was playing the game a few hours ago and there was a cheater engie spamming fully upgraded sentries and dispensers. At the beginning I didn't care much as I hoped he was having a small 5 minute fun, but he kept doing it during every match, and when I confronted other players nobody else seemed to care. I took a few screenshots, can anyone tell me how to report him?
"He speaks for a lot of the TF2 community as most of them are idling for the items otherwise Valve wouldn't just be taking away their items."
That doesn't make sense on any level. The fact the MLB only temporarily suspends players who use steroids doesn't mean most players use steroids otherwise the MLB would be doing some harsher punishment.
"Even if you have enough time to wait it out these people aren't affecting you and they aren't cheating either."
I don't "have enough time to wait" They are random drop hats. I have none. They provide no benefit and are supposed to be a rare fun item. I am not a child who feels Valve needs to cater to my every yearning. Grow the fuck up.
That doesn't make sense on any level. The fact the MLB only temporarily suspends players who use steroids doesn't mean most players use steroids otherwise the MLB would be doing some harsher punishment.
"Even if you have enough time to wait it out these people aren't affecting you and they aren't cheating either."
I don't "have enough time to wait" They are random drop hats. I have none. They provide no benefit and are supposed to be a rare fun item. I am not a child who feels Valve needs to cater to my every yearning. Grow the fuck up.
@Yutt
Sorry I didn't phrase that as well as I could. I meant that most of the IDLERS were idling for the hats. Obviously not every TF2 player is an idler but really why are you so agressive about this? For the record I am not an idler nor have I ever been one.
I don't actually care about those stupid hats at all. All I wanted to say was that Valve should have gave a warning of some kind to these guys and anyone still doing it would be stripped of items/banned I don't exactly see how that's unreasonable or means that I need to "Grow the fuck up."
Sorry I didn't phrase that as well as I could. I meant that most of the IDLERS were idling for the hats. Obviously not every TF2 player is an idler but really why are you so agressive about this? For the record I am not an idler nor have I ever been one.
I don't actually care about those stupid hats at all. All I wanted to say was that Valve should have gave a warning of some kind to these guys and anyone still doing it would be stripped of items/banned I don't exactly see how that's unreasonable or means that I need to "Grow the fuck up."
Sorry. If you cheat, you need to be prepared to face the punishment. If you never get caught, awesome, but cheaters should NOT bitch about getting caught. Yeah, it wasn't a gamebreaking cheat, that's why valve was kind in just taking your stuff away rather than banning your sorry asses. Rather than bitching about losing your precious hats, you should be thankful that you can still log on Steam. Maybe you'll learn from this.
@yutt
"Grow the fuck up", said the child as he reached for his bottle of milk. He pouted the rest of the day, while staring off into the rain. As the sun crept behind the hills, he thought to himself, "That'll show them."
"Grow the fuck up", said the child as he reached for his bottle of milk. He pouted the rest of the day, while staring off into the rain. As the sun crept behind the hills, he thought to himself, "That'll show them."
@CocoJambo: The people you described as idlers received halos. The people who used Drunken F00l's program who didnt take up space on legit servers were the ones dubbed dirty cheaters. Idling also generally refers to people idling on servers that are specifically set up for idling. Idlers didn't break the game. Heavy handed changes, half implemented systems, lack of communication, and retroactive policy enforcement are some things that come to mind as more game and community breaking than idling.
@-PL-: Get off your high horse. Valve said it themselves in their blog that they previously had no policy regarding idle programs in place until September 2nd.
all of this is stupid. Valve should never had said that people who didn't idle took the "moral high ground". that just causes people to become self-righteous assholes (some of which never idled only because they didn't know it was possible[via program]). I think that retroactively punishing idlers is wrong. punishing people for something that wasn't against the rules without warning is bad judgment on valve's part.
anyway both side should stop being so butthurt.
anyway both side should stop being so butthurt.
Heavy handed changes, half implemented systems, lack of communication, and retroactive policy enforcement are some things that come to mind as more game and community breaking than idling. - xenoaroe
I could not have said it any better. ftw. gg. Team Idlers win.
I could not have said it any better. ftw. gg. Team Idlers win.
Why all the fuss for a hat? TF2 is insanely fun even with no special upgrades. I love the addition of weapon upgrades, and trying to get achievements to get them, but hats is just a silly bit of fun, why take it so seriously?
I don't know why everyone is complaining about idlers. Don't play on servers where people can. Problem solved. (Also, isn't there something in the EULA about third-party applications?)
I don't know why everyone is complaining about idlers. Don't play on servers where people can. Problem solved. (Also, isn't there something in the EULA about third-party applications?)
Too bad the idler wasn't cheating, was playing by the same odds as everyone else in the game, and just saved bandwidth from doing something that most people were already doing in the game anyways (i.e. joining a server overnight). Also it was developed by a close friend of Valve's, was around for five months before Valve just did something about it yesterday, and was discussed openly on the Steam forums with no punishment! So yeah, we're all cheaters and we don't deserve new content. How dare we.
Know the sides of the issues before you go blindly stereotyping everyone. Valve's being a baby on this issue, and if they really want us to play the game, then they could try making a system that isn't dogshit.
Know the sides of the issues before you go blindly stereotyping everyone. Valve's being a baby on this issue, and if they really want us to play the game, then they could try making a system that isn't dogshit.
I love how people using an external application to earn rewards in a game they are not playing, while providing false data to Valve's database servers is now "not hacking or cheating".
Nope kids, that pretty much defines hacking and cheating. You don't get to redefine the words to make yourselves less disgusting subhumans.
Nope kids, that pretty much defines hacking and cheating. You don't get to redefine the words to make yourselves less disgusting subhumans.
@yutt And standing around in a server that I have to fire up TF2 to get to is not "false data to Valve's database servers"? Okay, I'll be sure to explain how I have 200 hours as Scout in my past two weeks.
Oh and BYYYYYYY THE WAY the 4.5% statement is a load of bullshit. TF2 has 22,000 people who have played the game in the last two weeks, and at the idler's peak (about a week ago) 12,000 people were using it.
@yutt
Any such circumstances aside, you're an example of the type of ridiculous elitist the halo\non-halo divide has created.
The idler wasn't simulating anything that couldn't be done in the real game, or give the players using it any kind of advantage. You can argue about 'false data' all you like but at the end of the day, Valve didn't really recognise this as a big deal and they treated it with decorum and some humor. The community (including yourself) has not, and the mistake they made is not anticipating ridiculous arguments like this. Next time some Norweigan hacker leaks a beta for their game you have a legitimate reason to complain on someone else's behalf.
Any such circumstances aside, you're an example of the type of ridiculous elitist the halo\non-halo divide has created.
The idler wasn't simulating anything that couldn't be done in the real game, or give the players using it any kind of advantage. You can argue about 'false data' all you like but at the end of the day, Valve didn't really recognise this as a big deal and they treated it with decorum and some humor. The community (including yourself) has not, and the mistake they made is not anticipating ridiculous arguments like this. Next time some Norweigan hacker leaks a beta for their game you have a legitimate reason to complain on someone else's behalf.
@Zodiac Eclipse
Ha, right on and same here. I got on and got the Halo and was like "Okay, that's awesome." xD
Ha, right on and same here. I got on and got the Halo and was like "Okay, that's awesome." xD
...btw, I take no side. Just that Valve did create a messed-up system and that they should fix it soon to cut all this crap out.
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