Dear fellow consumers,

Please don't make Valve hate us.

Love,

Analoge

They got that right. People love bitching.

To correct myself, maybe Valve sees the concepts of DLC and Episodic Content differently

That's the reason that when I assume my rightfull place as the world commander , I'll kill everyone BUT some select few of the Dtoid community , then I'll use my magic powers to create japanese sex slaves and the world will be a nice place again .

Hehe, Woocifer likes irony.

Also penises look bigger than vaginas, but still fit miraculously!

I won't link the video again, but bottom line:

Gabe promised new weapons and characters before launch in an interview, and said they'd be coming soon, and often.

That didn't happen. We got the ability to "make our own maps", and one more promised update before the launch of L4D2, which may or may not be one more survival level (that's my guess).

That's why the boycotters are boycotting. It's not "unbelievable".

If you guys can't have a proper consistent argument(as most people don't seem to be able anyway) then by all means spread yer slag all over here. Just because I made a point that goes against a company that people may hold 'dear' without seeing they are just a company like the rest of the companies in this world, you jump up and down my spine.

If you can't see the absolute ridiculous nature of what the writer(not Jim, the Valve douche) said and what his brash smug commentary on US is then yer as blind as your comments are.

Just keep bending over and taking it from another person that trails the jackasses along with another carrot dangling from a string.

Plainly put Valve should have done what any business should do and that is inform your customer of the continued value of a product they sell in order to prevent consumer remorse.

The thing that is aggravating is the fact that they believe they are so good and have done so much for the community(yeah...you know...those 2 games that are exactly alike for the past 15 years that they keep repackaging and selling?) that they don't need to be responsible for their business organization and public relations. They think that throwing a few mods or whatnot onto Steam, maybe dropping the prices here and there, and then saying yes DLC is coming is plain enough to responsibly manage their user base. Unfortunately they forgot some serious points here...they over promised...but they didn't tell you what exactly they have promised. Therefor how can we even argue that they have ANY leg to stand on when we STILL don't know what they are going to bring out that will make everyone feel satisfied they didn't just buy a shell or engine for a game that might possibly come out later on in the year for an extra 20-30 bucks that is fueling the game they REALLY wanted to make that they will ship as another title?

I dunno...maybe I'm just a little sharper than that, but that is a lot of smoke and mirrors for me to shut up and smile as they shovel more backhanded compliments to their users.

But if you feel inclined to bow down to that, then go right ahead and do so... and while you're at it, take your nose out of Jim's asshole...it's really unsettling that not only do you suck the cocks of massive enterprises but you also love the smell of someone elses steaming corn hole.

I love Valve. Not because I'm blind as I have no blind loyalty to one company - That's retarded - but I was smart enough to see a game that I too did not think was as good as it could be and you know what I did! I DIDN'T BUY IT! It's common sense.

Yes Valve has released a sequel that WILL break the user base and WILL be better than the last one but it's been a whole year. In that year if you haven't beaten and played Left 4 Dead in a way that your satified that's YOUR problem and this crowd of idiots is no different from the people who complain that Team Fortress 2 ruined Team Fortress. Besides the game isn't coming out for at least two years (or are you people unfamillar with Valve Time

it would be nice if all these bitching people just jumped off a cliff into a bon fire of used valve games

I only care if I can launch both titles from one .exe. Honestly, what's the point of updating L4D if 2 is out? I don't want to have 2 games installed just because I want to try something new in one that isn't on the other. I'll gladly pay $50 for the second, just make it work within the first one.

Valve-needs-money amirite?!

@Jim Sterling: Salty ?

WooooOW! I didn't read all of the novels that people wrote in here, but let me take a stab the the basic gist: People are blaming Valve because they are releasing DLC for L4D too close to L4D2? Creating "anxiety"!? Jesus fucking Christ people. If you can't afford something you weigh the costs and benefits and then get the one you want most the earliest. It's not their job to manage your money.

I swear this is like the 10th time ive read this article.

>If you can't afford something you weigh the costs and benefits

The problem is that it's impossible to accurately weigh the cost/benefits when the service provider changes their offering over time. The marketroids are all too happy to whip people into a frenzy about added value in the future, then they are surprised about some backlash when that value is substantially diminished?

I don't buy it. This seems to me to be a case of modifying the expectation of what it is you're buying into when you buy a Valve multiplayer experience, but without just coming out and saying so. If they can't sustainably support a franchise on the same level as they do TF2 they could show more respect to the customer and indicate that clearly instead of slowly modifying perception over time.

"Faliszek adds that perhaps Valve could have made it more clear, but that people would probably have whined either way: 'So, there’s that -- taking the leap to do that clearly. Honestly though, I don’t know if that would have made a difference. I think there are just a lot of people who didn’t listen to that.'"

Yeah, actually I'm pretty sure plenty would have been satisfied.

I would love to jump into some sort of alternate universe where corporations are generally more honest about their upcoming plans just to see how it would work out. If Valve just came out and said, "look guys, the economy is rough and we need more cash. We need to either kneecap L4D with a sequel or we can start charging a subscription to L4D. Here, vote on it!".

@googoogaagaa

THE DESTRUCTOID FANBOYS WILL DISAGREE

You motherfuckers should be glad *I* didn't write this post.

The more I think about the content in L4D2, the more it makes sense that it's an entirely separate game. Honestly, if Valve had simply released five entirely new campaigns, four new characters with entirely new dialogue, new zombies, and new weapons as a free update, people would be freaking out about how generous the company was being. As it is, you're getting something that will be bigger and stronger than L4D1 was right out of the box. If you didn't bitch about L4D1, then you probably shouldn't bitch about L4D2.

In short: Stop reacting without thinking, get out of "I'm on the Internet, I must complain!" mode, and actually think about it.

DISCLAIMER: I am a Valve fanboy, but I still think these views are reasonably well-balanced.

One upside of this debacle is that I've come to see a positive side of Jim Sterling's bastardry. It's as enjoyable to have on your side as it is annoying to have thrown in your face.

It's pretty terrible that some peoples comments are longer than the article.

"It's creating anxiety. People don't have money to just sling around buying 80 dollar games all willy nilly like. So when someone says don't worry we will support your 80 dollar investment with some more content later and it will be awesome."

Who the fuck paid 80 dollars for left 4 Dead?

Blackhat sez:
>Who the fuck paid 80 dollars for left 4 Dead?

Australians