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Just think, if GameMaker: Studio can use Workshop to distribute games, maybe the Source SDK will have the same functionality in the future! EVERY MOD ON STEAM! :D
@amtalx
I was under the impression that most professional level productivity programs had DRM already.
I was under the impression that most professional level productivity programs had DRM already.
@SmileyBarry
Garry's Mod is going to do this with Gmod... mods? Yeah, they're going to put mods up on Workshop with version 13, at least from what I've heard. Which should come out... hopefully this year?
Garry's Mod is going to do this with Gmod... mods? Yeah, they're going to put mods up on Workshop with version 13, at least from what I've heard. Which should come out... hopefully this year?
I think the most disturbing thing I noticed looking at some of the non game software is that it came with steam achievements >.>
@Derangel/TheUnimpossible:
Nothing I use on a daily basis does. Everything I use keys of of license file or at worst a one-time activation. I'm thinking of all the things I use needing a running copy of Steam as a prerequisite. Everything from my SDKs (Android, Java, Blackberry, etc.), IDEs (Visual Studio, Eclipse), basic word processing and text viewing (Office suite, Ultraedit), source control tools (Perforce, CVS), to random other tools (Cygwin, SSH client, etc) use licensing and have no DRM. My MSDN subscription might exempt me from typical activation, but it still doesn't require a 3rd party app to be running.
Nothing I use on a daily basis does. Everything I use keys of of license file or at worst a one-time activation. I'm thinking of all the things I use needing a running copy of Steam as a prerequisite. Everything from my SDKs (Android, Java, Blackberry, etc.), IDEs (Visual Studio, Eclipse), basic word processing and text viewing (Office suite, Ultraedit), source control tools (Perforce, CVS), to random other tools (Cygwin, SSH client, etc) use licensing and have no DRM. My MSDN subscription might exempt me from typical activation, but it still doesn't require a 3rd party app to be running.
No thank you, one program being a huge giant and having a monopoly over everything is NOT A GOOD THING.
Steam is just as bad as any DRM that has ever existed.
Steam is just as bad as any DRM that has ever existed.
The more I see of Valve taking this (admittedly, natural) direction with Steam the more convinced I am that they'll be working on a (possibly Linux based?) operating system that integrates Steam naturally, especially given their vocal complaints of Microsoft's Windows 8.
I actually have to side with amtalx on this one. Until Steam gets a better "offline mode" I don't exactly like the idea of a Steam-like DRM being needed to use non-game software.
@kyosuke
So you can't buy any of the games on steam on gog.com or other websites or a retail store? And the fire from a matchstick is just as bad as a forest fire? Well ill be damned. The more you know I guess.
So you can't buy any of the games on steam on gog.com or other websites or a retail store? And the fire from a matchstick is just as bad as a forest fire? Well ill be damned. The more you know I guess.
@Kyouauke Nanbu
Steam isn't a monopoly. Steam isn't as bad as any DRM that's ever existed either but whatever, I remember the days of Starforce physically ruining your DvD drive, bad times.
Steam isn't a monopoly. Steam isn't as bad as any DRM that's ever existed either but whatever, I remember the days of Starforce physically ruining your DvD drive, bad times.
I purchased Indie Game: The Movie from Steam a while back but getting it to play on my computer proved fruitless. Is it really incapable of streaming? Why am I downloading a huge update??
Thankfully it's up on Netflix now so I watched it last night. Loved it.
Thankfully it's up on Netflix now so I watched it last night. Loved it.
It's amazing how much of the anti-DRM sentiment mysteriously disappears during a Steam Sale when the thing you want is 75%+ off.
@CrazyCowboyDon
That's because at 75% off, games are finally lowered to what they're worth if they have DRM in them.
That's because at 75% off, games are finally lowered to what they're worth if they have DRM in them.
@dont user underscores: I've already got the physical version of Cornerstone, so I think I'll hold off on the digital release. (true story)
@oedrivay so indie games are not worth your money unless they are on offer for less then £5 cuss of DRM? Or if there is a great game, 10/10s all round, you still wont get it unless its on offer, because the DRM (one that i dont notice, at all) is so unbearable it isn't worth it at full price?
Am i missing something here? I have no problems with Steam as a DRM, its a damn side better then whatever crap ubisoft used.
Am i missing something here? I have no problems with Steam as a DRM, its a damn side better then whatever crap ubisoft used.
So much raging about being given the option to buy something besides video games through Steam.
The stuff people waste their time complaining about these days...
The stuff people waste their time complaining about these days...
In Gabe we trust, i hope that sexy bearded bastard never changes for the worst. And that his eventual replacement can keep the spirit of Valve and Steam
@Chazer
The answer to both of your examples is "Yes."
Case in point, Dark Souls. I imported the physical PC copy from Europe -- paying more than the cost of the game on Steam, mind you -- because the version of Games for Windows - LIVE that it uses NEVER requires an Internet connection for offline single player, which is why I bought it, and will eventually be the way EVERYONE plays it after the servers aren't supported anymore. Why would I add an extra layer of DRM that requires me to ask permission to play what I paid for every time I install it?
And that's a GAME, let alone other software that already has its own DRM in it, and now possibly Steam on top of it. I don't hate Steam -- It's a great platform, and the DRM is optional. I hate the companies that actually USE that option.
The answer to both of your examples is "Yes."
Case in point, Dark Souls. I imported the physical PC copy from Europe -- paying more than the cost of the game on Steam, mind you -- because the version of Games for Windows - LIVE that it uses NEVER requires an Internet connection for offline single player, which is why I bought it, and will eventually be the way EVERYONE plays it after the servers aren't supported anymore. Why would I add an extra layer of DRM that requires me to ask permission to play what I paid for every time I install it?
And that's a GAME, let alone other software that already has its own DRM in it, and now possibly Steam on top of it. I don't hate Steam -- It's a great platform, and the DRM is optional. I hate the companies that actually USE that option.
They've been trying to push an update for this out to my client since the 7th, and even after a reinstall it won't take it. Steam's got pretty unstable lately, they should work on that instead of making a knee-jerk competitor to Win8 apps.
The DRM paranoia of some of the people on this site is almost creepy. I can understand the desire to get away from some forms of control but sometimes you can go a bit overboard. I used to have a friend who REFUSED to get a bank card/CC to use for things like paying for lunch and we always had to stop at an ATM so he could get cash. His reasoning is he didn't want to be tracked. He had not problems being a PITA to everyone else so that some imaginary entity can't track what he had for lunch. I'd wager that if I talked to him today he'd hate Steam too.
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