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Valve 'not changing plans' for Left 4 Dead photo

Ever since Left 4 Dead 2's announcement and the nerd rage of supposed "fans" who can't bear to see a sequel to a game they love, one thing has been consistently thrown in my face -- a quote from Gabe Newell, claiming that Left 4 Dead 1 would get a load of support from Valve. Now I have a quote of my own to throw at the boycotters -- Gabe Newell stating that those original plans aren't changing.

"Doing a sequel in one year is new for Valve. But providing ongoing support for our titles after the initial launch isn't -- it has been part of our philosophy since Half-Life was released ten and half years ago," says Newell. "We see no reason to change that and will continue to support the over three million customers in the L4D community.

"Some in the community are concerned that the announcement of L4D2 implied a change in our plans for L4D1. We aren't changing our plans for L4D1."

Patches, mod support, and new content all remain on the cards for the original game, which is great news for those who currently claim to be boycotting L4D2. I say "claim," because I severely doubt that the 25,000-strong army of moral indignance will stick to their guns with it actually comes out. It'll be fun to see just how many crumble and reneg when the game hits later this year. 








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Wintersocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:23
Wintersocks
LFD2 Protesters need to sit out for a while.

I recommend giving them dunce caps and putting them in the corner.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:26
PappaDukes
What is wrong with sequels? I think the main concern with any sequel is that there is a strong probability that you risk the chance of milking the cash cow dry. But come on, it's VALVE. They can do no wrong.
nickthehat's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:28
nickthehat
I second the notion of Wintersocks.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:31
Kraid

Look what you have done Valve, you've made a Frenchman cry.

Buy it , play it , enjoy it and STFU.
starhawl's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:35
starhawl
If they do fulfill their support for l4d I might pick up 2 might.
Kris S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:37
Kris S
And I'll third that. Now what will they cry about? Time to dry your eyes I think
mikeyed's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:38
mikeyed
Yeah, hazmat zombie FTW!
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:45
hpv
Hey, you know who wouldn't complain about L4D2? PS3 owners. Think about it, Gabe, you fat idiot.
Unique78's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:47
Unique78
These "protesters" are worse then the religeous right. Who the fuck protests against a game comming out except douchebags. Any time an article comes out with people protesting about a game, the whole land of tubes we call the interwebs, at the same time in unison calls these people douchebags.

This, my 25,000 friends, is now your turn to be called 'A douchebag'.
wilbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:51
wilbo
stupid hazmat suit zombie

they might as well just call FIREGOD proof
Cerialthriller's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:53
Cerialthriller
lol 25,000 protesters out of the millions who bought the game. STFU and die in a fire. I dont even like zombie games but im going to go buy this and play it now that its got all this publicity.
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:56
Toneman
I'm definitely NOT buying Left 4 Dead 2.



Because I'm broke.....
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:06
Chris Carter
Ok let me just solidify something:

So far, L4D has added:
One Survival Map
Survival Mode, which ships with L4D2

So far, Valve has promised:
Weapons
Characters
Levels for Campaign
New Campaigns
"Similar DLC to TF2"

This is what I was told by Chet F. at E3:
"One more minor update is coming for L4D"

So basically, they have a few months before L4D2 to make good on their original idea. I wouldn't even care if this "forthcoming" DLC Gabe seems to think is coming is paid DLC, but something tells me it's not going to be as big as anyone thinks.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:09
PappaDukes
I am a PS3 owner, and I am NOT complaining about the release of L4D2, I am complaining about the NOT release of L4D... on the PSTriples. Oh, I am also complaining that L4D is not available on my Wii, my DS and/or my N64.

*ZING*
aninsomniac's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:10
aninsomniac
Would there have been a single complaint about a portal 2 a year after the original's release?
Xonticus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:14
Xonticus
@Magnalon

They don;t have only a couple months, because they said they would support it AFTER the release of L4D2. Missed that part i guess? Need to check your glasses prescription methinks.
Space Moose's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:15
Space Moose
@ aninsomniac
Portal was about 30 dollars at launch, L4D cost almost 70. DUMB
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:16
SephirothX
I love how Jim casually ignores the real (and reasonable) reasons why people aren't happy about L4D2.
Kid Slickarus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:16
Kid Slickarus
I'm 100% down for L4D2. Anything to push such an awesome franchise forward is A-OK in my books. Valve makes awesome games, and i have no problem supporting them for what looks another solid title. I think some people have been so spoiled by awesome content that they go rampant with unrealistic expectations.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:21
Jim Sterling
"I love how Jim casually ignores the real (and reasonable) reasons why people aren't happy about L4D2."

One of the biggest complaints was "we were promised L4D1 support." How is an entire post on that complaint "ignoring" it?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:25
Chris Carter
@Xonitcus
I originally heard that they were going to support this before a sequel, so that's what I'm talking about there.

Other than that, I was still told that there was only one more minor update coming for L4D, regardless of the release of L4D2. I don't need to check my glasses, because this is what I was told. I could check my ears I guess?

@Kid
C'mon dude. I'll buy it too, but 1 minor update so far? 1? You gotta have more self respect than that. It's not "unrealistic" to ask for this.
Cherry Ghost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:28
Cherry Ghost
I think Jim is the one with nerd rage here. In the end, who cares what these people are saying? Do you work for Valve? Is their distaste for L4D2 going to affect your life? Get off the high horse and relax. In the end if 25,000 people claim they won't buy the sequel, it isn't a big deal because millions will get it. It's simply their opinion.

I still think a lot of L4D2 stuff should have been in L4D; the relatively small amount of content has been a criticism since the game came out.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:29
Wexx
"Doing a sequel in one year is new for Valve. But providing ongoing support for our titles after the initial launch isn't -- it has been part of our philosophy since Half-Life was released ten and half years ago,"

Umm, Counter Strike?
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:30
Wexx
Whoops, didn't mean to copy the "Doing a sequel..." part.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:30
Jim Sterling
"I think Jim is the one with nerd rage here"

I didn't realize "rage" and "amusement" were the same thing.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:34
Timmeh
Unnecessary sequel is unnecessary, and that's that.

I'm eager to see how much meaningful content gets added in as L4D2 draws closer, and how they will keep the community together without people having to buy the sequel.

Valve stuffed up by giving the former Turtle Rock Studios too much freedom and they turned out not to give a shit about Valve's 'philosophy' in game development, having no trouble doing a u-turn and walking all over thhe stuff Gabe Newell was talking about in the run up to release. Now Valve have to try and work things out.

I've no doubt that left to their own devices Valve South would be churning L4D games out every 12 months and we wouldn't even see the support that's been provided thus far.
tgammet's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:34
tgammet
Oh no, he's calling out "fans" now. D:
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:37
Chris Carter
@Wexx
Counter Strike was a mod: it didn't go retail until 2000, 2 years after the original game was released. Also, when CS first came out, it was released as an "orange box" of sorts, bundled with Team Fortress Classic, Opposing Force multiplayer, and the WantedHL.

All the comparisons to Portal 2 and past Valve experiences don't make any sense: a full retail sequel of L4D2 is their first experience into this foray.
Cherry Ghost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:38
Cherry Ghost
Ah yes, because when the words "nerd" and "rage" are put together in any context, they convey violent, maddening rage. I was only using your own phrase. In the words of GOB Bluth from Arrested Development, "COME ON!"

Valve is going to sell millions of L4D2, they'll eventually come out with L4D updates, and everyone will be happy. I just don't get what the big deal is. Though maybe we should get Woodard and Bernstein on this scandal?
Uzzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:40
Uzzy
Cool, now lets wait and see what the content is, shall we? Gabe's promised mod tools, better matchmaking, 4v4 matchmaking and 'new content'. Also nice to see that they recognise that L4D and L4D2 need to be interoperable.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:46
Rockvillian
All they had to do was remind their fans in the press release that the original was still gonna be supported. They didn't. PR fail.
ChristRogue's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:55
ChristRogue
I bet that upon install your l4d becomes l4d2. The two games integrate so u can access all maps, campaigns and characters from the same menu. I'm going to bet money that's how it works.
Space Moose's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:59
Space Moose
L4D was a pretty fun game however I did feel slightly ripped off with the lack of content it was shipped with. It didn't really bother me because I was assuming they would come out with some sweet add-on's and new maps which justified the 70 dollar price tag at the time(in my mind anyways). Don't get me wrong, I wasn't expecting it to be free, I would gladly pay. Putting out a sequel so soon really does piss me off, I truly feel like I got valved up the ass.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:19
Jim Sterling
"Ah yes, because when the words "nerd" and "rage" are put together in any context, they convey violent, maddening rage."

You do know what the word rage means, don't you? Let's not try and redefine the meaning of words, just so you can pretend you did something clever.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:22
Darren Nakamura
@Espada Andy 2: Oooh! Sick burn! I think! Maybe!

I should not be surprised that even after hearing that Valve will still be supporting L4D1, people are still bitching.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:31
Cowboy TTop
L4D has a lack of content, because its not a story based game, like other fps games. The sequel is due out so soon because it is pretty much devoid of story, so multiplayer is the main focus. Remember, games with a deep story require a lot of writing etc.

Release L4D2 in 2010, once the xmas glut of games has passed, and we'll have no problem with it.
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:41
DF
@Christ Rogue: That's what I hope would happen, though that effectually leaves people without the first game out in the cold (but if you don't have it by now...). It'd shut up almost everyone in an instant.

Personally, I'm waiting for L4D3 come Xmas '10. :3
BigPopaGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:46
BigPopaGamer
LOL Jim. When I first read the caption I thought it said "Hamza Suit Zombie Justifies Sequel." A zombie in a giant Shark suit would be amazing!
iateyourhorse's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:52
iateyourhorse
Hello again.

Shut up Jim. I'm still boy cotting it for a deserved discount. Even if VALVe are still going to support L4D1 (big suprise here, not, VALVe are awesome) they still announced a sequel to an unfinished game.

Hopefully Jim will make another article blowing the boycott out of proportion so I can tell him to shut up again while I enjoy my UT2004 I bought for 10 quid upon returning UT2003, not trading it in for cash, returning.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:56
Jim Sterling
iateyourhorse:

A "deserved" discount? What the hell do you deserve one for? Because you were silly enough to buy a game not based on what was on the disc? Because even though you're getting the content you complained about, you're still not happy? Because at this rate, Valve could be giving out blowjobs and you people would still find something to whine about?

You don't deserve a discount. Stop acting so entitled. That's what spoiled children do.
iateyourhorse's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 13:10
iateyourhorse
Said the crybaby
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 13:20
Jim Sterling
Said the entitled toddler.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 13:51
PappaDukes
@iateyourhorse - When did "boycotting" become 2 words? I believe you meant "boy coddling". *ZING*
Vhaius's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 13:54
Vhaius
They better have Asian zombies or I'm boycotting the racists.
Space Moose's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 13:55
Space Moose
Also I am seriously doubting that Valve is going to release anything significant for L4D1 anytime soon, I mean they haven't bothered to release any new maps or anything else of significance ( except allowing all 4 maps in multiplayer which should have included at launch) but they can whip up a brand new sequel in less than 12 months, that is really annoying.
habslove's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 14:06
habslove
He's fat
Vedicardi2's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 14:07
Vedicardi2
in short: GOOD
Knivy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 14:09
Knivy
Jim, even if Valve has a good track record, I think one can understand why even when the developers promise that things won't change people still complain, it's all promises until they deliver. And this is the first time they release a sequel so soon, people are just scared that maybe it will be the first they stop supporting a game so soon also.

I think that from the PC player perspective there's something fishy about them not releasing a proper sdk and releasing the sequel so soon and I bet that if the SDK had been properly available from launch there would a ton of custom campaigns out there that would've make L4D2 not that appealing.

Still, my guess is that most of the people against it will end up getting it, be that at launch realizing they didn't gain anything, or during a steam sale.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 14:17
Holyetheline
Jim, I love you. Keep fighting the good fight! I can't wait to get this game.
ChristRogue's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 14:23
ChristRogue
@ doomsday forte: in that case you would just access the content for l4d2 instead of both.
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