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Valve might need a few Macintosh and Linux engineers photo

It seems as if Half-Life and Left 4 Dead developer Valve is looking for a few good men to engineer things for Linux and Macintosh. Several sleuth sites, as well as more than a share of Mac-focused sites, have been reporting on a rogue sentence not-so-tucked-away in Valve's Chris Green's LinkedIn profile, indicating that the studio is indeed doing as much.

"I work at Valve," it reads. "You should work at Valve." A hard enter. "REALLY looking for senior Linux (plus) Mac engineers."

Left 4 Dead 2 on the Macintosh? It could happen  -- in a world where unicorns exist and cement tastes like Red Bull, that is. A boy can dream, right?

Valve Looking For Mac And Linux Engineers [Inside Mac Gaming] [image cred]








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The Fundoshis's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 03:29
The Fundoshis
I have a dream.
Steam for Mac and Linux.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 03:34
Jon B
I severely doubt this will be Steam for another platform, since I'd imagine 90% of the library would be incompatible with Macs. Don't know about Linux.

...but then Valve games need Steam to run, so I'm confuzzled.
LazyEyelids's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 03:42
LazyEyelids
Why not an in-house PS3 porting/development team? I think the demand is bigger for ps3 versions of Valve games than those of Linux elitists.
Antony_256's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 03:48
Antony_256
Linux and mac Steam with a different catalog than windows? This could work (if they can avoid the linux support nightmare).
Adding wine to the equation also makes sense (google does it).
Kasreyn's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 03:53
Kasreyn
Yeah go ahead and support a REAL operatingsystem.
mr spooky's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 03:54
mr spooky
This should happen now. What happened to Gear of War on mac?
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 03:55
Sexualchocolate
Hey Valve, guess what, there's a bigger gaming market on the PS3 than on Mac or linux, why don't you start with that? You make some cool games, bring them to the PS3 market....
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 04:10
the7k
Maybe you should focus on the PS3 and Wii before you even begin considering Mac.

Also, as much as I would like to run Steam on Linux with no problems, the lack of a unified Linux type (Debian, RPM, etc.) kinda makes it too much work for something that will only help a few folks.

Get Left 4 Dead on PS3, and then make a FPS for the Wii that uses the Wii Remote controls in a way that aren't detrimental to the enjoyment of the game (i.e. Red Steel). That'll get you cash. Cash is good.
TheNomadicTroll's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 04:10
TheNomadicTroll
Don't mac have a thing call..um what is it. Oh yeah, bootcamp.
LividChihuahua's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 04:10
LividChihuahua
Jon B >> if it works in linux it works in mac, there same at the core and porting between the two is not that big of a deal, and both can play games via cider/crossover/wine, porting stuff to mac and linux, and having a mac/linux steam would be great, it's also kick devs into ciderizing there games to mac, I have a few of those, I would like to play modern games on them (although it's been getting much better), my linux computer is bare bones, so I couldn't play games, but I would love to if I could (I could became a PC amer without having to run windows, a big plus IMO)

although I have to say, even being a mac user, the PS3 is a better market, with more potential customers than either of those platforms, they should do that before they worry about mac/linux games, if your a mac user you long gave up trying to play games and got a console.

But hell, if they make it, I will cu... use it.
LividChihuahua's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 04:12
LividChihuahua
and at TheNomadicTroll, yes we do, no we don't like using it, yes we'd much prefer running them nativley. I have a XP SP3 install, booted it twice.
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 04:26
xenon
@everyone mentioning the PS3:

Sure, the market is bigger than Mac and Linux's, but:

- guess to whom you have to pay royalties, whose rules you need to follow, whose approval process you need to submit games and patches to, with whom you need to share revenues when you release a game on Mac or Linux? Nobody.

- PS3 has its own complex, peculiar, probably brilliant in theory, architecture, which despite its brilliance could be completely abandoned by Sony in as little as a couple of years. It's a risky investment to build expertise for it. Quite the opposite is true for Mac and Linux environments, of course.
Anastu's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 04:29
Anastu
@The Fundoshis

I had a dream relating to Valve, too! I had dreamed that Valve actually released Half-Life 2: Episode 3! It was nuts!!
watermanx's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 04:38
watermanx
@Anastu
i also have a dream relating to half life.
i dreamed that black mesa would be released before 2010.
but sometime a dream your dreams to. strange.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 04:50
TheToiletDuck
@watermanx: I DARE you to make less sense.
It does seem odd that they've never made the Valve engine run on Mac.
watermanx's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 05:06
watermanx
@ TheToiletDuck
the first sentence is going with the theme of "dreaming" or wishing for things to happen. in Anastu case, wishing that valve would release episode 3. in my case, wishing black mesa would have been released before 2010.
now black mesa is a 3rd party remake of half life (which was supposed to be released before 2010, hint the wishing) using all the source engine, due to HL fans being disappointed by HL source
or you know all this and be referring to the mistake i made by typing in an "a" instead of an "i" and not putting an "'s" at the end of "sometime"
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 05:21
Chronic Logic
It's official, Valve is biased to computer players.
AstralDrmz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 05:26
AstralDrmz
I'd be down on some Half-Life on Mac. I never really got into the series and I'm getting a mac in August.
Also, TF2.
Also, well...all of Steam. I'm missing out on a lot of good Valve games right now. :[
ANeM's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 06:38
ANeM
@LazyEyelids
Nothing in that posting specifically points to making 'games'.
A large portion of the dedicated servers that make up the lifeblood of valve games run on Linux servers. So its easy to imagine any number of scenarios where they might want to increase support.
I imagine that if PS3s were the most cost effective way to host dedicated servers for PC games then Valve would want to keep their team supporting PS3 servers well staffed too.
Narishma's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 06:43
Narishma
I think you guys are getting the wrong impression from this. I doubt it's about porting Steam or Valve games to those operating systems. It's more likely they want people to work on servers and backend stuff, which is cheaper to run on Linux boxes than Windows.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:08
TheToiletDuck
@watermanx: It was the last sentence, but now i see the typo it does make sense :D
iconstyle's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:12
iconstyle
correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't Left 4 Dead and some other steam games been ported to Mac unofficially using the Cider technology?
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:26
Retrofraction
Actually If you use PIE on Linux you can already run steam and all of the steam apps.

and mac can run steam, but it needs an emulator like parallels to emulate direct X and all that good windows stuff.

I would say that the Mac market is bigger, because the only people distributing games are third party third party disturbers and some EA crap, while the PS3 has plenty of competition.

there are people that want to play games on Mac its just they take forever to come out and generally cost more than on PC and don't play as good, This could be a great move on Valve's side.

This is awesome news to me cause right now I am boot-camping my imac to run windows and most of my games are on steam so I can finally just delete my partition and only have one OS.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:28
Retrofraction
not to mention most good MAC games are never in stock a retail stores so you always have to buy online.
vicpc's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:31
vicpc
@iconstyle: Well you can play most Source games relatively well on Linux using Wine, but an official solution is always better

Games is one of the only reasons I still use Windows, so this could mean good news
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:33
Retrofraction
did I say pie i meant Wine runs windows apps *and steam* on Linux without installing windows.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:39
Xzyliac
And still no PS3 love. Terrible.
PandaStew's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:47
PandaStew
I run TF2, CSS, and HL2 on my mac via crossover already, but would love for a real mac steam, as it can get to be a hassle dealing with crossover
ModernTenshi04's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 07:56
ModernTenshi04
While I certainly wouldn't be upset with Valve releasing Steam and Mac games through the platform, I just recently bought a Dell tower for PC gaming.

Macs are great and all, and my plan going forward is PC towers for gaming and Macs for laptop portability. The issue is the hardware, unless it's a pricey Mac Pro tower, can't be upgraded in the same way a PC can. I wanted to get get Mass Effect 2 for the PC since I enjoyed the PC version of Mass Effect so much more than the 360 version. Problem was my video card was only a GeForce 8600M, and they recommended an 8800 minimum. Not like I couldn't play the game, but ME2 is a visual experience as much as it is an adventure game, so I didn't want to sacrifice on the visuals.

So yeah, it'll be nifty, but I'll likely stick with buying my games for PC on my new tower. I may take some of them over to the Win7 partition on my Mac, but not all that often.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 08:53
Retrofraction
yeah me too, the only reason I have windows is to play games.
Pixelated Lilac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 09:08
Pixelated Lilac
I just put a Windows 7 partition on my Macbook Pro and I see this.

Motherfuckers.

(PS: I have yet to try Crossover)
eddacosta's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 09:17
eddacosta
Awesome, left 4 dead 3 coming soon for every operative system. YAY!
Frohike's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 09:47
Frohike
L4D on the iPad
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 10:05
pascuz46
How about a few PS3 engineers while your at it valve? Actually you know what, while your at it. How about you FINISH Episode 3!
LividChihuahua's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 11:26
LividChihuahua
@ModernTenshi04
True that most macs arn't nearly as upgradeable (well they are but there expensive because you need special mac version of the graphics cards and the processors are buried in the oddest places, but I've red articles about doing it) but as ong as you don't cheap it out every time you upgrade, you'l be able to last as long as you upgrade machines (mac users either upgrade within 3 years or wait a looooooong time, seriously I am running a computer from 07 and feel the need to upgrade, I have a family member who were stil using their laptop from 99 till last November, and AOL till last month) Plus if the rumors are true (and I iPad ones were, despite how ridiculous and retarded the final product was) apple should be coming out with a desktop computer somewhere between the MacMini and the MacPro (with some overlap to each) that is a smaller box not an all in one, mabey if something like this happens it'll push them to finally release it.

and @everyone who said servers
you do servers in linux or mac, theres no point in mixing the system you server is running unless you like to give yourself trouble, and I have only ever seen 1 mac server ever, so I don't think thats what they have in mind.
iconstyle's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 11:43
iconstyle
Windows only to play games? Really? I installed Windows on my macbook using bootcamp a while ago and now all i do i use the windows side.

Occasionally i switch to Mac to listen to music, cause all of it is on that side, but i havent really used it much at all.

When i first switched to Mac it frustrated me so much because it lacked so many of the games and apps i was used to.
britishinterwebs's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 11:46
britishinterwebs
I run Half Life 2, Portal, MODERN WARFARE 2 all on my Mac through Crossover. I have a Windows partition as well, but it just dawned on me that I haven't used it in over 6 months! Time to get my hard drive space back!
stalydan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 12:55
stalydan
Cement does taste like Red bull, or rather Red Bull taste like cement :S cant stand the stuff
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 13:12
Qraze
maybe they're gonna build on Geohotz's ps3 linux exploit and need engineers for that.
naw.

if they really want ps3 engineer help, sony would send someone down to help them. but i can also imagine portal on the wii would be amazing.
JohnnyMavric's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 13:44
JohnnyMavric
Do you think if I change my PS3's OS to Linux and Valve comes out with Left 4 Dead 2 for Linux, do you think I could play Left 4 Dead 2 on my PS3?
DrKoolman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 14:31
DrKoolman
@Johnny
I believe that linux on the PS3 limits your access to the system's GPU, so it probably wouldn't have the power to run LFD2. Sony did that for protection against what you're actually talking about! It's great for emulation and basic computing though!
PenKaizen's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 15:13
PenKaizen
TF2 on Mac, PLEASE!
Archwright's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 16:41
Archwright
Maybe we'll get Steam on Mac/Linux. That would be great, I mean, it hasn't been like TEN FUCKING YEARS that we've been waiting.

... ok ... geek rage aside.

Yes, please, get us some steam. I'll love you forever. I still love Steam forever unconditionally from back when I played CS, DoD, and NS when I still had a Windows box. I think I'll send them chocolates if they release a Linux steam client.
bustaballs's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 17:17
bustaballs
@the7k

All it takes is to recompile the source for Debian or RPM. There have been numerous Linux games that have worked fine for the majority of Linux distros.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 17:48
Airbr1dge
If linux had more games I would use it. But I'm stuck with windows.
lowlevel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2010 21:02
lowlevel
@LividChihuahua: Why do you have to mix Linux and Mac? I believe Steam is mostly Windows backend right now, and as Narishma implied, Linux is cheaper and easier to run and maintain for brute force workloads. Get some cheaper servers with lots of cheap striped hard drives, replicate (rsync) the Steam catalog to them, simple cluster them and you get a great way to serve all that massive download/patch traffic.

That would be totally separate from getting some kind of self contained client going on Mac OS. Casual games are a huge hit on the iPhone, why not let some Steam Lite Mac client (Vapor?) serve Mac OSX all the PopCap catalog, rope in Big Fish and some other big casual names. I doubt Apple would allow that on iPhone or iPad since you have to use their store, but I guess it's possible if Valve cut them in a little on each game bought through Mac Steam directly.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/04/2010 21:59
Dan CiTi
That'd be cool.
Artdangle's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 06:13
Artdangle
Does no one get the fact that Gabe hates the PS3? And doesn't have to do anything to please you?
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