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..because people in real life have massively long necks and spit acid/ have tape measure tongues and grab people etc.Saying that, being obesse and having puke that attacts people is more common
Well fuck, speaking as an Australia who has L4D2 preordered on steam im in a bit of a pickle. I guess ill just have to get the game via other, more nerfarious means.
Avast yee, matey!
Avast yee, matey!
It's not 3 guys it's 1 guy - I have no problem with this being R rated - I have a problem with there being no R rating to give it. Thank you Comrade Atkinson for ensuring wholesome purity in our consumer entertainment and single handedly ensuring that there is no real life violence in Australia...
...Well except pub brawls, riots, bungled thefts, organised crime, police brutality, 12 year old girls murdering cab drivers and abusive parents. Clean and righteous.
...Well except pub brawls, riots, bungled thefts, organised crime, police brutality, 12 year old girls murdering cab drivers and abusive parents. Clean and righteous.
Oh well. Guess I won't be playing it.
Can't say I'm THAT upset - I never played the original L4D very much. But I am shocked and worried that a game like L4D2 could get banned. I mean, Manhunt, even though it shouldn't have been banned, was at least somewhat understandable. L4D2 being banned, however, does not make sense at all. It's not all that different from the FIRST L4D, and that got approved.
Our board of censorship that we have here, is horribly inconsistent. In Dead Space Extraction you can cut up people who look human, and that wasn't banned. But just because you can bludgeon a bug-eyed, grey skinned, craze zombie with a bat, suddenly it's going too far? What about the many other, much more violent games, which involve killing REAL people in some less than pleasant ways, like No More Heroes (although they did take the blood out of that one and replaced it with lame black sand)?
Or what about FO3? Our censorship board had NO PROBLEM with the issue of slavery, wanton violence and nuclear explosions, but put allow the player to use morphine and suddenly THAT'S GOING TOO FAR!! Morphine abuse is EVIL, while being a nuclear-bomb detonating, child-enslaving, cannibalising terrorist, is just, eh, a bit bad I guess.
I strongly suspect that our censorship board that we have in Australia, are not only stupid, but corrupt. So many games that are far, far, far worse than L4D have been allowed to be sold here. And yet they ban L4D, even when Valve took out the content that was objected to! I suspect some people in on that board are rubbing their fingers together in hopes of some sweet green cash. I think if Valve made an secret "donation" to them, the game would be let in, A-Okay.
Nothing else explains the wild inconsistency displayed by the board.
Well, okay, I suppose it's possible that everyone who works there is literally retarded or senile.
Can't say I'm THAT upset - I never played the original L4D very much. But I am shocked and worried that a game like L4D2 could get banned. I mean, Manhunt, even though it shouldn't have been banned, was at least somewhat understandable. L4D2 being banned, however, does not make sense at all. It's not all that different from the FIRST L4D, and that got approved.
Our board of censorship that we have here, is horribly inconsistent. In Dead Space Extraction you can cut up people who look human, and that wasn't banned. But just because you can bludgeon a bug-eyed, grey skinned, craze zombie with a bat, suddenly it's going too far? What about the many other, much more violent games, which involve killing REAL people in some less than pleasant ways, like No More Heroes (although they did take the blood out of that one and replaced it with lame black sand)?
Or what about FO3? Our censorship board had NO PROBLEM with the issue of slavery, wanton violence and nuclear explosions, but put allow the player to use morphine and suddenly THAT'S GOING TOO FAR!! Morphine abuse is EVIL, while being a nuclear-bomb detonating, child-enslaving, cannibalising terrorist, is just, eh, a bit bad I guess.
I strongly suspect that our censorship board that we have in Australia, are not only stupid, but corrupt. So many games that are far, far, far worse than L4D have been allowed to be sold here. And yet they ban L4D, even when Valve took out the content that was objected to! I suspect some people in on that board are rubbing their fingers together in hopes of some sweet green cash. I think if Valve made an secret "donation" to them, the game would be let in, A-Okay.
Nothing else explains the wild inconsistency displayed by the board.
Well, okay, I suppose it's possible that everyone who works there is literally retarded or senile.
If they had an 18+ rating the game'd probably make it fine, but since they stop at 15+ it's not really a suprise :/ Valve shouldn't have appealed their decision for the original game, they should have sought to get a higher rating instated.
Hey, the new PS3 fanboy got the first post, and used it to bash a 360 exclusive game when he himself doesn't even own a 360 and probably hasn't even played Left 4 Dead. Remember that thread by Jim a while back about PS3 fanboys? I think it's really proving itself true.
At any rate, that's really really dumb. That isn't a democracy; it's a dictatorship, with one dude determining what is "appropriate" for every single Australian. Totally bullcrap. Especially because the game looks downright fantastic.
You guys should fight it. I would if I was in Australia.
At any rate, that's really really dumb. That isn't a democracy; it's a dictatorship, with one dude determining what is "appropriate" for every single Australian. Totally bullcrap. Especially because the game looks downright fantastic.
You guys should fight it. I would if I was in Australia.
Aye - a few typos in my previous comment. Sorry.
But I just wanted to make one more point: Resident Evil 5 was released over here, no problems. No censorship, no modifications (that I am aware of), no delay. RE5 did not cause ANY issue. L4D1 also did not cause any concerns
Yet L4D2 does cause problems. Why? The zombies in L4D2 look the SAME as in L4D1. So the board thinks it's okay to shoot them, but not to hit them with a cricket bat? The special infected look even more inhumane in L4D2 (I mean, the hunter just looked like a guy with a hood - you're more likely to confuse him with a human being, than a gangly zombie that shoots acid out of an enormous, misshapen mouth).
The zombies in RE5, again, look far more human and behave more like humans than any zombies seen in L4D1 or 2. RE5 zombies clutch weapons, talk to each other and display emotions, unlike the zombies in L4D which just stand still or run towards you shrieking like a banshee.
You cannot defend the board - they are inconsistent, stupid, probably corrupt and I'll wager $50 that those three people who rejected the appeal are probably over 50 and have never picked up a controller or mouse in their life. They probably just looked at some screen shots and said "banned".
I'm dreading that somehow they'll ban ME2 because of partial nudity, despite it being present in the first game. I wonder if they'll ban MW2 because you "shoot people", despite that being in the first game. I really wonder what they'll inconsistently ban next.
But I just wanted to make one more point: Resident Evil 5 was released over here, no problems. No censorship, no modifications (that I am aware of), no delay. RE5 did not cause ANY issue. L4D1 also did not cause any concerns
Yet L4D2 does cause problems. Why? The zombies in L4D2 look the SAME as in L4D1. So the board thinks it's okay to shoot them, but not to hit them with a cricket bat? The special infected look even more inhumane in L4D2 (I mean, the hunter just looked like a guy with a hood - you're more likely to confuse him with a human being, than a gangly zombie that shoots acid out of an enormous, misshapen mouth).
The zombies in RE5, again, look far more human and behave more like humans than any zombies seen in L4D1 or 2. RE5 zombies clutch weapons, talk to each other and display emotions, unlike the zombies in L4D which just stand still or run towards you shrieking like a banshee.
You cannot defend the board - they are inconsistent, stupid, probably corrupt and I'll wager $50 that those three people who rejected the appeal are probably over 50 and have never picked up a controller or mouse in their life. They probably just looked at some screen shots and said "banned".
I'm dreading that somehow they'll ban ME2 because of partial nudity, despite it being present in the first game. I wonder if they'll ban MW2 because you "shoot people", despite that being in the first game. I really wonder what they'll inconsistently ban next.
"Realistic within the context of the game"?
What the fuck does that even mean?
Every game's events are "realistic within the context of the game."
This is ridiculous.
What the fuck does that even mean?
Every game's events are "realistic within the context of the game."
This is ridiculous.
Sorry for the triple post, but what about Prototype?
I mean, for crying out loud that game had the main character running around EATING CIVILIANS OFF THE STREET! Running over streets clogged with innocent people! Frickin hijacking military vehicles and killing soldiers who probably were just following orders!
If Prototype can get released, the Board loses all sanity. They'd ban a game in which disparate human survivors struggle against an obviously swarming horde of zombies, but not ban a game in which you can pretty much be the worst serial killer imaginable.
That makes no sense at all.
I mean, for crying out loud that game had the main character running around EATING CIVILIANS OFF THE STREET! Running over streets clogged with innocent people! Frickin hijacking military vehicles and killing soldiers who probably were just following orders!
If Prototype can get released, the Board loses all sanity. They'd ban a game in which disparate human survivors struggle against an obviously swarming horde of zombies, but not ban a game in which you can pretty much be the worst serial killer imaginable.
That makes no sense at all.
It still surprises me that the game piracy rates in Australia aren't astronomic. I wonder what Atkinson would blame them on if they were...
i still love how they take in concideration the "minors" when this is clearly going to be a mature only game... isnt the rating board/parents supposed to keep this out of their reach :/ gah ruin it for the rest of us. glad im not in the AUS-land
@Korolev
Woah, they DIDN'T ban Prototype? That was one of the most violent games I've played in a long time, mostly because the violence was directed towards civilians.
Woah, they DIDN'T ban Prototype? That was one of the most violent games I've played in a long time, mostly because the violence was directed towards civilians.
@Shadowiii: Do you really believe that the 360 fans are not just as brainless and rabid?
The difference is, on this site, there's so many of them that it is considered normal and socially acceptable. I would wager that you've probably come to accept many of the 360-fanboy opinions as "facts," simply because you're inundated with the culture of this site.
Think about it.
The difference is, on this site, there's so many of them that it is considered normal and socially acceptable. I would wager that you've probably come to accept many of the 360-fanboy opinions as "facts," simply because you're inundated with the culture of this site.
Think about it.
The reason why the piracy rates is so low in Australia, is because determined gamers will just brush of laws they see as unjust and import the game. Australia is a PAL region, so buying from Germany, Hong Kong or the U.K is still an option, and one the powers that be will find hard to stop. And with home consoles being more secure, its better to take this option than with a legit purchased copy, than to use a pirate version.
If I were in Valve's shoes I'd take on the whole Australian certification system, which is obviously biased against games, but gives films etc an adult rating. Get support from the whole games industry and take them head on, until they cave in and hopefully give that R18 rating. I'm sure some bad press about their biased ratings would show them up for what they really are. Show examples of what's been passed and show how broken it all is.
Its time for the games industry to stop bending over for these fools, when other media industries get a special treatment. Go Valve.
If I were in Valve's shoes I'd take on the whole Australian certification system, which is obviously biased against games, but gives films etc an adult rating. Get support from the whole games industry and take them head on, until they cave in and hopefully give that R18 rating. I'm sure some bad press about their biased ratings would show them up for what they really are. Show examples of what's been passed and show how broken it all is.
Its time for the games industry to stop bending over for these fools, when other media industries get a special treatment. Go Valve.
No wonder yatzee always pissed, I'd be angry 24/7 too if I had to live with a backwater ratings system like this.
@Phoenix Gamma I think you have hit the nail on the zombie's head. With a cricket bat. The Boycott is still alive in these 3 peoples minds, and until Valve brings them over to their HQ to give them cookies L4D2 will be banned in Australia.
It's interesting how much of a focus there was on the "Humanness" of the common infected. The Special Infected are more monster-y, so shooting them isn't as much like shooting people, which seems to be the Board's problem:
The game is too much like realistically shooting normal people for a 15+ rating.
It's not enough to SAY they're zombies. If Valve put 2 extra arms on common infected (like Goro has) it sounds like it would have a better shot at getting the 15+ rating.
(Oh, my opinion is Australia should have an 18+ rating for its adult consumers.)
The game is too much like realistically shooting normal people for a 15+ rating.
It's not enough to SAY they're zombies. If Valve put 2 extra arms on common infected (like Goro has) it sounds like it would have a better shot at getting the 15+ rating.
(Oh, my opinion is Australia should have an 18+ rating for its adult consumers.)
I'd like to take that header image out for a five-course candlelit dinner, followed by a magical evening at the iceskating rink, a lengthy and soulful conversation about our hopes and plans for the future, then walk it home and softly kiss it's downy cheek goodnight.
You know what's even more ludicrous? Censoring yourself with an asterisk. The "u" is right below it and you don't even have to press "shift."
@Batty
No, it just seems they all go crazy over exclusive. Maybe I'm used to more rational people here? I don't often see people jumping on God of War or Uncharted 2 threads posting stuff like "failure!" or "overrated!" but the PS3 fans can't seem to stay off the 360 exclusive threads.
I know on GameTrailers and IGN there are just as many brainless morons from both sides, it's just sad to see them here.
They're just toys when it boils down to it. Yeah, I love my 360, probably the best gaming purchase I ever made, but I'd also kill for a PS3. That doesn't mean I troll up every PS3 thread about how sucky a game is. Both systems have their merits, and just because someone choose the merits of another over mine doesn't mean I need to bash the hell out of it.
Plus some of my closest friends have PS3s, and we console swap often, so...eh.
Just sad to see it on this site where people are usually more intelligent.
No, it just seems they all go crazy over exclusive. Maybe I'm used to more rational people here? I don't often see people jumping on God of War or Uncharted 2 threads posting stuff like "failure!" or "overrated!" but the PS3 fans can't seem to stay off the 360 exclusive threads.
I know on GameTrailers and IGN there are just as many brainless morons from both sides, it's just sad to see them here.
They're just toys when it boils down to it. Yeah, I love my 360, probably the best gaming purchase I ever made, but I'd also kill for a PS3. That doesn't mean I troll up every PS3 thread about how sucky a game is. Both systems have their merits, and just because someone choose the merits of another over mine doesn't mean I need to bash the hell out of it.
Plus some of my closest friends have PS3s, and we console swap often, so...eh.
Just sad to see it on this site where people are usually more intelligent.
These people think the game should be rated R18+ I tend to agree but they have no choice in the matter. Australia does not have an R rating for games and only one politician is refusing to even approach the subject of adding an adults only rating.
In short the ratings board isn't broken the ratings system is.
In short the ratings board isn't broken the ratings system is.
Shadowiii is definitely right about PS3 fanboys.
As a PS3 FAN, I'm frequently embarrassed by the ignorance and retardation of these people.
As a PS3 FAN, I'm frequently embarrassed by the ignorance and retardation of these people.
3 people for Australia's games is as stupid, actually more, than the 8 people that essentially decide what movies can and cannot be seen publicly in the US (Half of which break their own rules by remaining on the job despite being too old and having too many children)
I live in Australia and I can understand that they don't want 15 year olds playing this game because of the excessive violence, movies with the amount of violence described usually get an R18+ classification.
The ratings board did their job and is working fine, the attorney-general blocking the legislation for the R rating in games is screwing us over.
The ratings board did their job and is working fine, the attorney-general blocking the legislation for the R rating in games is screwing us over.
In either DLC or L4D3, I'de like to run around Sydney killing zombie politicians and shoot up the OFLC (Aussie ratings board) offices.
what a damn pity.
Australia's politicians need to man up, and not only add an 18+ rating, but grow a pair of balls and put pressure on society to stop the underage from getting hold of gorey games.
this shit would never happen if this story was told through the medium of film...
Australia's politicians need to man up, and not only add an 18+ rating, but grow a pair of balls and put pressure on society to stop the underage from getting hold of gorey games.
this shit would never happen if this story was told through the medium of film...
wow, i think the aussies need to get their act together and perhaps try to band together and i don't, fight the ratings board and ask for a higher rating classification.
or they could continue their meh state and not get any adult games. seriously, no one is willing to take on this fight??
sucks to live AU.. if your over 15yrs old and like mature games.
or they could continue their meh state and not get any adult games. seriously, no one is willing to take on this fight??
sucks to live AU.. if your over 15yrs old and like mature games.
In Grand Theft Auto, I murder people for fun. In Left 4 Dead, I try to survive a zombie apocalypse. If they say that they are banning the game based on it's violent realism while still allowing GTA to be sold, in which I stalk old granny's and shoot them in the legs with a pistol and watch as they try to crawl away and shoot them again in the street, well, fuck it. They don't have their priorities straight.
I hope people in Aus just import it from New Zealand or the UK. Wonder if i can play my 'evil murder simulation' version with the 'happy family smile time' edition?
I thought I read somewhere that Valve may just release the censored version, then day one patch it back to normal, since surely the rating system can't really apply to something the user chooses to download, and for free?
Admittedly it shouldn't have to be like that (and it could do more harm than good if the press decides to have their day with it), and I completely agree that Aus needs an 18+ (or even AO) rating, but it could be a means to an end.
Admittedly it shouldn't have to be like that (and it could do more harm than good if the press decides to have their day with it), and I completely agree that Aus needs an 18+ (or even AO) rating, but it could be a means to an end.
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