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I see two different groups of players in this debate, there are the people who bought portal 2, played it and pretty much are very positive towards it, and then there is the hate filled bandwagon from /v/ that is too busy blowing any issue with the game way out of proportion.
There is no day 1 dlc, they are hats, the hats are included with the game, and most of them are unlocked with achievements; if the trolls would actually play the game they would realize that.
As far as the length of the game goes, I beat it in about 6 hours, but I was moving fairly quickly, and I missed a ton of stuff, so much so, that I'm going to go back and play through it again to see everything. I haven't even touched co-op yet, so I really feel like it was a purchase well made.
A 45.99 dollar purchase on steam fyi, even now its still 50 bucks, which is the norm for any valve pc game. You guys pay 60 dollars for any console game, so why does that version of portal 2 have to be any different?
There is no day 1 dlc, they are hats, the hats are included with the game, and most of them are unlocked with achievements; if the trolls would actually play the game they would realize that.
As far as the length of the game goes, I beat it in about 6 hours, but I was moving fairly quickly, and I missed a ton of stuff, so much so, that I'm going to go back and play through it again to see everything. I haven't even touched co-op yet, so I really feel like it was a purchase well made.
A 45.99 dollar purchase on steam fyi, even now its still 50 bucks, which is the norm for any valve pc game. You guys pay 60 dollars for any console game, so why does that version of portal 2 have to be any different?
I did finish the game in 5 hours though. It's short as hell.
The main argument is that it has the shop, and people don't realize those items can be unlocked just like they are in TF2.
The main argument is that it has the shop, and people don't realize those items can be unlocked just like they are in TF2.
Haha, this must be a new low, even for the author.
"Oh BOO HOO, you entitled, spoiled, pathetic little twats. Nobody promised anything."
Sounds more like a raging 14 year old, then a professial journalist. Pure gold right here.
"Oh BOO HOO, you entitled, spoiled, pathetic little twats. Nobody promised anything."
Sounds more like a raging 14 year old, then a professial journalist. Pure gold right here.
I was thinking about getting it on Friday. The 6 hour play time though just killed it for me. I wont spend 50 bucks on a game unless it's something I'm gonna be able to put a good sixty to a hundred hours into. Is it 11-11-11 yet?
Portal 2, from what I've played so far (A good chunk of singleplayer and co-op) is one of the best games Valve has made, and certainly one of the best games I've played in recent years.
If you hate Portal 2, you're what's wrong with the gaming industry.
If you hate Portal 2, you're what's wrong with the gaming industry.
Played Portal 1 twice and loved it. Didn't pre-order 2 because I'm not a big puzzle fan, but then on the way home last night I remembered I was a big GLaDOS fan so I picked it up. 3 hours into it so far and it's terrific.
As for the "not worth $60" crowd, that's something everyone has to decide for himself -- but it's easy to tell that the amount of work and attention to detail that went into Portal 2 are comparable to other premium games.
As for the "not worth $60" crowd, that's something everyone has to decide for himself -- but it's easy to tell that the amount of work and attention to detail that went into Portal 2 are comparable to other premium games.
@pischto
I dont want to come off like a troll since i feel like i'm largly in the same boat as you, being an avid steam user, but i dont really get the latter part about the potato sack.
Didn't you say you've bought every valve game? What use would a complete pack be to you? And i bouth the potato sack and only bothered to get 18 of the things. It isn't like they took anything away from you.
Not to defend them like a hammer-legion member, but i feel like that complaint falls into the same realm of entitlement that this post discusses.
I dont want to come off like a troll since i feel like i'm largly in the same boat as you, being an avid steam user, but i dont really get the latter part about the potato sack.
Didn't you say you've bought every valve game? What use would a complete pack be to you? And i bouth the potato sack and only bothered to get 18 of the things. It isn't like they took anything away from you.
Not to defend them like a hammer-legion member, but i feel like that complaint falls into the same realm of entitlement that this post discusses.
I think it's even more immature to complain about people complaining. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and no amount of insulting or "bitching" will make it stop. I don't agree with the Portal 2 critics, but the senseless vitriol in this thread is (for the lack of a better word) moronic.
Eh. I'd agree with the folks saying that Portal 2 hasn't lived up to the hype, though I speak more from terms of writing than gameplay. The gameplay is solid, definitely much refined from the original's formula, but I think the story is absolutely asinine.
I suppose it can't be helped. Expanding on the setting of the original is sort of par for the course in terms of losing sight of what made the original so unique in its approach. P2 definitely fails to capture the "feel" of the first, but that's not a big enough concern that I'd rail against it.
The ending song is crap, though.
I suppose it can't be helped. Expanding on the setting of the original is sort of par for the course in terms of losing sight of what made the original so unique in its approach. P2 definitely fails to capture the "feel" of the first, but that's not a big enough concern that I'd rail against it.
The ending song is crap, though.
PC gamers seem to be under the impression that they should be getting the same amount of content and "ownership" for $50-60 that they were getting 5-10 years ago. free mod tools, no DRM, free DLC, etc…
all i have to say about that is i used to be able to fill up my gas tank for $20. now i'm lucky to get half a tank for the same price.
what the hell makes PC gamers think that their hobby should be exempt from basic laws of inflation? either the price of the game increases, or the amount of content decreases.
all i have to say about that is i used to be able to fill up my gas tank for $20. now i'm lucky to get half a tank for the same price.
what the hell makes PC gamers think that their hobby should be exempt from basic laws of inflation? either the price of the game increases, or the amount of content decreases.
I saw the whining on Metacritic the other day, when I checked to see what the score was. I gathered from the comments that what they were whining about was a collection of costumes for sale, that don't impact game play in the slightest. It wasn't like they were holding half the levels hostage. All the game play was there, included in the title. It was just over costumes and gestures.
You don't want to spend money on costumes? Don't. I won't be buying them. I also didn't buy the horse armor pack for Oblivion, either. I didn't piss and moan about them selling it, I just didn't buy it.
You get the entire game when you buy it. You don't lose out on ANY game play if you don't buy the costumes. They aren't selling less than a full game, expecting you to pay again in order to play it all. If they were doing that, that would be a legitimate complaint. That you don't get some costumes for free is not.
Suck in that lip, wipe off those tears, and grow the hell up.
You don't want to spend money on costumes? Don't. I won't be buying them. I also didn't buy the horse armor pack for Oblivion, either. I didn't piss and moan about them selling it, I just didn't buy it.
You get the entire game when you buy it. You don't lose out on ANY game play if you don't buy the costumes. They aren't selling less than a full game, expecting you to pay again in order to play it all. If they were doing that, that would be a legitimate complaint. That you don't get some costumes for free is not.
Suck in that lip, wipe off those tears, and grow the hell up.
While I agree that people need to stop whining about this and just enjoy the game, the game is not 6-8 hours long. The length of the game varies according to how quickly you solve the puzzles, and 4 hours is not beyond reason. On the other hand, the crybabies are likely parroting shit from someone in irc who beat it in 5.
@foxhound421
Since when were we talking about the average PC gamer?
Get your head out of your ass, this is an article about Portal 2 trolls, not PC gamers.
Since when were we talking about the average PC gamer?
Get your head out of your ass, this is an article about Portal 2 trolls, not PC gamers.
Absolutely 100% agree.
This is fucking retarded.
People complain because there's DLC, and this is apparently the first game to ever use such a money-grabbing scheme. Also, it's apparently mandatory.
PCfags bitch because they don't understand that their console IS a console, so calling it one MAKES ABSOLUTE SENSE.
And then the fickle morons actually complain about tutorials...
This is fucking retarded.
People complain because there's DLC, and this is apparently the first game to ever use such a money-grabbing scheme. Also, it's apparently mandatory.
PCfags bitch because they don't understand that their console IS a console, so calling it one MAKES ABSOLUTE SENSE.
And then the fickle morons actually complain about tutorials...
Games are now the new Whores of this generation, 50 bucks for a couples hours of etertaniment. People really need to start apprectiating more their games.
Also, it amuses how people complain for non affecting gameplay cosmetic item but they're happy to pay overpriced DLC Map Packs that they HAVE to get em in order to get the full experience andbeing left behind (Call of duty says Hi).
Also, it amuses how people complain for non affecting gameplay cosmetic item but they're happy to pay overpriced DLC Map Packs that they HAVE to get em in order to get the full experience andbeing left behind (Call of duty says Hi).
Wait a minute - people honestly think it's "unethical" to have content ready on Day 1 that you have to pay for? Really?
How dare they release Electric Boogaloo Barbie AND her friend Trick-Ass Skipper on the same day! I should get both of them!
How dare they release special stylus packs available on the same day as the 3DS launch and not give me those for free!
How dare Cletus Bungle and the Renaissance Douchebags release an album and also a deluxe special edition of an album the same day that I have to pay more money for! All that extra stuff should be mine!
There are some truly heinous ways that videogame publishers are ripping gamers off (online passes, for one), and you complain about EXTRA content, about their actually GIVING you more for a nominal fee rather than taking things AWAY from you if you don't pay more?
Stop being infantile pricks. Valve DOES treat you better than probably 99% of publishers out there. Fucking appreciate it.
How dare they release Electric Boogaloo Barbie AND her friend Trick-Ass Skipper on the same day! I should get both of them!
How dare they release special stylus packs available on the same day as the 3DS launch and not give me those for free!
How dare Cletus Bungle and the Renaissance Douchebags release an album and also a deluxe special edition of an album the same day that I have to pay more money for! All that extra stuff should be mine!
There are some truly heinous ways that videogame publishers are ripping gamers off (online passes, for one), and you complain about EXTRA content, about their actually GIVING you more for a nominal fee rather than taking things AWAY from you if you don't pay more?
Stop being infantile pricks. Valve DOES treat you better than probably 99% of publishers out there. Fucking appreciate it.
Well it took me ~3hrs to complete portal 1 (that was with a bunch of messing around) Its not inconceivable that Portal 2 could be between 4-8 hrs.
As to the ARG what not essentially being a midnight release for the game, whatever. I think what people are slightly upset about is there are probably people who purchased the potato sack after it was clear that it would potentially unlock portal 2 early. Only to have portal two release a hand full of hours early, I can see why they would be upset at spending $30+ for a midnight release. But hell that's on them, not enough of the sack games looked interesting enough for me to bother with it as a whole. So I didn't.
The thing I really don't care for is the zero day DLC, yeah it has nothing to do with the game itself.... but your also not dealing with people your dealing with marketing and if this non invasive DLC is a "huge success" they are going to mark it down as DLC as "People buy DLC, lets use it more!"
Its far better to deal with an issue when its still a non issue. Instead of waiting until that non issue has grown up into a massive issue and point of SOP (standard operating policy/procedure).
As to the ARG what not essentially being a midnight release for the game, whatever. I think what people are slightly upset about is there are probably people who purchased the potato sack after it was clear that it would potentially unlock portal 2 early. Only to have portal two release a hand full of hours early, I can see why they would be upset at spending $30+ for a midnight release. But hell that's on them, not enough of the sack games looked interesting enough for me to bother with it as a whole. So I didn't.
The thing I really don't care for is the zero day DLC, yeah it has nothing to do with the game itself.... but your also not dealing with people your dealing with marketing and if this non invasive DLC is a "huge success" they are going to mark it down as DLC as "People buy DLC, lets use it more!"
Its far better to deal with an issue when its still a non issue. Instead of waiting until that non issue has grown up into a massive issue and point of SOP (standard operating policy/procedure).
When it's Sonic fans who act up you say Sonic fans are the worst. Same with PS3 fans.
Evidently, now Valve fans are the worst.
Evidently, now Valve fans are the worst.
My two
Hours of co-op were the best two hours of 'friend gaming' since first playing 'the 11th hour' wowim old balls... But seriously. I couldn't get the smile off my face.
Hours of co-op were the best two hours of 'friend gaming' since first playing 'the 11th hour' wowim old balls... But seriously. I couldn't get the smile off my face.
This game is good because I say it's good and everything you say is wrong
You've got your tongue so far up Gabe's ass you forgot the taste of anything that isn't shit.
Stay classy, fatty.
You've got your tongue so far up Gabe's ass you forgot the taste of anything that isn't shit.
Stay classy, fatty.
I love how some people sarcastically say, "Oh yeah, because NOBODY could possibly hate this game" as if that's really what's happening here.
I completely agree with this very well written blogpost. These dumpass kids, which Flame and whine about great Games are absolutely the lowest Level in our gaming Society. Let them play their fucking flash games (minigames) and take'em on fire ;-)
Not to side with the screaming idiots, but I beat the single player campaign in 5 hours. I wasn't trying to rush...
Played the single player straight through yesterday. I've never done that with a game on the first playthrough. Though the ending felt underwhelming, this game is the epitome of tits. I laughed the whole way through and found the puzzles very enjoyable (though once solved they were a lot simpler than they seemed, but that's part of their brilliance).
I loved Portal on the Orange Box. I also got the XBLA download, which I haven't played to even get one gamer point yet. But the game is good. Portal 2 looks like a classic game from what I have seen so far from watching people play the game (very limited time watching, don't like to spoil puzzles if I get it). The Portal fanboys will naturally be upset, it ain't portal and the pace is different I guess, the puzzles seem more do-able compared to the first one to break new players in easily.
Im pretty sure those who complained are still playing it right now. I played the game for 3 hours the night it came out and I only got like a quater to a third of way through, those early puzzles were a breeze. I just beat the game today and I am suficiently satisfied. Valve purist are too spoiled, no matter what valve does is just not good enough.
Again, if people can justify in their heads that it is cool to have $3 hats and robot moves available from day 1 then don't ever complain about 'horse armor' or anything like it again!
Let's just send the message that microtransactions are just fine, everybody, cause that exactly what games need more of these days...microtransactions.
Let's just send the message that microtransactions are just fine, everybody, cause that exactly what games need more of these days...microtransactions.
Everyones a critic nowadays. The internet makes it easy to rant and be anonymous. Jim, your right, but so are the complainers. If they think the game is too short, maybe they feel that retail pricing was too high. I think we all detest DLC as day one availability, and can't shrug off that it should have been included in the first place.
I look at it all as humor anyhow. It's fun to see how passionate gamers are, regardless of the standing point.
Game in good health!
I look at it all as humor anyhow. It's fun to see how passionate gamers are, regardless of the standing point.
Game in good health!
They're fanboys? Sorry, I think you just trolled me. Valve is deliberately cutting content off games to sell for ridiculous prices. Yes, they are just skins. But don't tell me those RE4 skins didn't feel ridiculously incredible once you unlocked them. And for the latter, yes, the main singleplayer is 4 to 6 hours long, if you take much more than that you're just some moron that can't solve simple puzzles.
*facepalm*
Jim, get your facts straight first.
The boys working on the ARG were pissed off 'cause the "early released" was rigged from the start. Not 'cause it was released late. And 'cause of the extensive trolling that denied third parties did. Also, they were tricked into believing the ending of Portal 2 was part of the ARG.
A lot of portal fans were pissed off 'cause they had everything about Portal 2 spoiled for them on the official forums 'cause of trolls - The 360 version had leaked out. Spoiler threads and the ending videos
Some golden potato folks were mad 'cause Valve loyalists didn't get anything of from
from the reward, while those who had never bought a Valve game got Valves entire collection including Portal 2 for free.
-Some- people were pissed off at the day 1 DLC, 'cause the development time spent on that could have been on something more important.
The rest of the "ragers" were just trolls or morons.
And the Singleplayer CAN be completed in four hours. It's hard. But not impossible.
Disclaimer:These facts do not necessarily reflect my opinions but rather what truly happened. I felt the need to write this 'cause you were mixing in groups that didn't have anything to do with the "negative reviews" on metacritic.
Jim, get your facts straight first.
The boys working on the ARG were pissed off 'cause the "early released" was rigged from the start. Not 'cause it was released late. And 'cause of the extensive trolling that denied third parties did. Also, they were tricked into believing the ending of Portal 2 was part of the ARG.
A lot of portal fans were pissed off 'cause they had everything about Portal 2 spoiled for them on the official forums 'cause of trolls - The 360 version had leaked out. Spoiler threads and the ending videos
Some golden potato folks were mad 'cause Valve loyalists didn't get anything of from
from the reward, while those who had never bought a Valve game got Valves entire collection including Portal 2 for free.
-Some- people were pissed off at the day 1 DLC, 'cause the development time spent on that could have been on something more important.
The rest of the "ragers" were just trolls or morons.
And the Singleplayer CAN be completed in four hours. It's hard. But not impossible.
Disclaimer:These facts do not necessarily reflect my opinions but rather what truly happened. I felt the need to write this 'cause you were mixing in groups that didn't have anything to do with the "negative reviews" on metacritic.
Metacritic user reviews are a complete joke. Some users start an irrational over-the-top smear campaign and then others start handing out 10s like candy to try and compensate. So the aggregate score is less than worthless. Happened with Dragon Age 2 as well, which is admittedly a deeply flawed game, but not worthy of a 0 score.
I was sort of conserned whith the first hour of gameplay when most of the levels were painfully easy, but there is alot of mind blowing consepts that are better than the orgianal one.
Those users are worried that this game will turn into TF2's man store, however luckally this store has nothing to do with the gameplay or even effects the multiplayer exscept costumizes the look of your robot.
It was sad when the man store hit TF2 cause it really turned the game away from skilled vs skilled to skilled vs people with money that can get way overpowered iteams. before all of that rubish and before people could craft wepons TF2 was pritty balanced and the man store sort of opened pandora's box of uneven iteams onto the playing feild.
Those users are worried that this game will turn into TF2's man store, however luckally this store has nothing to do with the gameplay or even effects the multiplayer exscept costumizes the look of your robot.
It was sad when the man store hit TF2 cause it really turned the game away from skilled vs skilled to skilled vs people with money that can get way overpowered iteams. before all of that rubish and before people could craft wepons TF2 was pritty balanced and the man store sort of opened pandora's box of uneven iteams onto the playing feild.
If you completed Portal 2 in 4 hours, go back and replay it because you just missed shitloads of funny dialogue. Seriously, it ain't a race folks, you're doing yourself a disservice.
That said, I feel that the overall length of the games are somewhat comparable due to the omissions of the advanced challenge rooms and time trial sections that were present in Portal. They added so much replay value and while I will play through Portal 2 multiple times again, I really really hope they add in something similar later down the line.
That said, I feel that the overall length of the games are somewhat comparable due to the omissions of the advanced challenge rooms and time trial sections that were present in Portal. They added so much replay value and while I will play through Portal 2 multiple times again, I really really hope they add in something similar later down the line.
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