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With charges for downloadable content being something of a hot topic, after the debacle over Epic wanting to give us Gears of War maps for free, but being forced at gunpoint to accept wads of cash for them, Counter-Strike and Half Life developer Valve have leapt on the opportunity for good PR by saying they don't intend to charge for any DLC they may run.

"You buy the product, you get the content," Valve's Robin Walker informed Eurogamer. Reassuring news I suppose, but one would assume Valve's merely trying to make themselves look really good next to the console market's love of anally abusing its customers. Somewhat like the clever boy in class who swiftly answers a question that his classmate failed, so he appears smart until that same classmate drowns him in the toilet at lunchtime.

"We make more money because more people buy it, not because we try and nickel-and-dime the same customers." But enough about that, how did you get that freakin' valve in the bald dude's head!?








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JamesSorensen's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:27
JamesSorensen
I don't know if DLC is "nickle and dime" all the time... but ya expansion packs (episodes haha) are definately a better offering.
Sphinx 13's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:30
Sphinx 13
The Godfather anyone?
PSIq0ut's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:36
PSIq0ut
Well then the Console community *cough EA cough* have only themselves to blame for Valve taking this oppotunity.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:43
Rockvillian
how did you get that freakin' valve in the bald dude's head!?

My guess is with tricksy photoshop skills.

That, or a cannon that shoots plumbing supplies?
skankerzero's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:44
skankerzero
It comes down to whether or not the DLC is part of the initial budget.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:45
BlindsideDork
If you turned that faucet...what would come out?

And from WHERE?
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:45
BluDesign
So, Valve, um, buddy? What's the deal with HL2: Episode 1-3? Are we supposed to be getting those for free and you've been holding back on us?

While I do appreciate the massively awesome bundles they sell with their games on Steam, this line they take on content is little fishy. And it is not at all on par with what Epic has provided in the past before GoW. If I remember correctly, there were at least 20-30 official maps released in separate collections for free for both UT2K3 and 2k4.

I will still however be waiting patiently for the Orange and Black boxes come fall.

BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:47
BluDesign
@Jim Sterling

"how did you get that freakin' valve in the bald dude's head!?"

Double-sided sticky tape? Oh, wait, that takes all the fun and comedic value out of your question. Sorry.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:49
Jim Sterling
You have killed the magic. :(
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:52
LordRegulus
@ dvddesign

I think the deal is that if you buy a full game, you get any additional content (maps etc.) for free. I don't think Episodes 1-3 qualify as additional content; they're more like an entire game split into three chunks.

Epic could do its free maps for UT because the game is strictly a multiplayer shooter. They can throw content out the door any way they like and people can grab it, play it, and love them for it (my UT2004 folder is well over 10GB). The Half-Life series has a linear narrative, so Valve needs to control its releases more, and when they give you a downloadable 10-15 hour campaign, I think charging 20 bucks is perfectly acceptable.
tazarthayoot's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 09:57
tazarthayoot
You're looking at it all wrong, Sterling.

How did that valve get a freakin' bald dude attached to it's...ass?
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 10:00
BlindsideDork
Episode 1-3 are separate games that are used to expand a game, like an expansion pack.
It is more than just a bunch of new skins and new multiplayer maps.


I would buy buy 5 extra hours of single play gameplay to my favorite video games in a HEARTBEAT!
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 10:16
BahamutZero
yeah I wish that crackdown pack had a little more than three weapons and three cars, maybe some new bosses or skills or something. That stuff didn't really add to the gameplay much. lucky I got a discount on the game so I don't feel that ripped off.
jerrt's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 10:23
jerrt
well i'm glad to see they are at least mindful of this problem that worries alot of gamers. i like what skankerzero said about DLC being part of the initial budget. someone needs to explain that principle to ea.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 10:32
BlindsideDork
@unstoppablejuggernaut

Isn't Team Fortress 2 a MULTIPLAYER game? Even a multiplayer only game.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 10:43
LordRegulus
Honestly, I could go either way on DLC. What really bugs me about online-enabled consoles is this recent patching epidemic. Remember when consoles didn't have network connections? When they were completely closed systems and you had to polish to hell out of every game before it was released?

If I buy a PC game and it's broken out of the box, I can screw around with some settings and get that sumbitch chugging along at least until a patch comes out to fix the problem. That's certainly not an ideal situation, but at least I can do something about it. The beauty of a home console - its complete lockdown on background processes - is also its biggest drawback. If my game doesn't work, I'm totally locked out and helpless until the developer releases a patch over Live. The fact that this is now a viable option for some developers makes everyone that much more eager to rush the game, get their scheduling bonus, and fix it after the disc hits shelves. And players who choose not to take their consoles online for one reason or another are totally screwed by the half-assed QA process that results from this business model. That's what gives me so much respect for developers like Insomniac, Team Ninja, and (most of the time) Bungie, who polish the ever-loving crap out of every game well before it goes gold. And online-enabled consoles are going to make that a very rare thing, indeed.

Comparatively, DLC is a minor issue, and it's better to decide on a case-by-case basis whether or not some content pack is worth your money.

SUPPORT POLISHED WORK!

DON'T BUY BUGGY SOFTWARE!

/rant
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 10:48
LordRegulus
In retrospect, that was needlessly intense. Turn that statement down to about 70-80% of its original potency and you'll have something more rational.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 10:53
AngelsDontBurn
Well, hopefully them not charging stays true, cause that'd be nice. Though, in other news, Valve is becoming EA. Hahaha. I mean considering they removed the Orange Box and all. I really think it's pretty retarded that I can't buy EP2, TF2 and Portal by themselves. Instead I have to buy a pack that has two games I already paid for, which I'm paying for again. Am I gonna do it? Yeah, I guess I have no choice, I really want TF2, along with EP2 and Portal. Either way I think it's slightly lame, I mean, you know Valve knows majority of the PC community already has the damn games, they just want that monies!
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 10:57
BluDesign
WAIT JUST A MINIT!!!!!

This just in. Hypocrite of the year award is given to Valve.

This is so kind of Valve.
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 11:09
BahamutZero
There will be no RETAIL orange box. You can still buy the orange pack through Steam, so you don't have to re-buy everything. considering you need steam to play the games anyway I don't think it's a huge deal.

That announcement does have the stink of bullshit though, considering they did that the same day
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 11:11
BahamutZero
replace orange with black or whatever. you know what I mean
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 11:12
BluDesign
@Bahamut

No retail BLACK BOX, you mean.

I can kinda see from a company standpoint, since it requires HL2 to play and that COULD potentially be confusing to people to release two separate packs like this, but other companies have released expansion packs before without any issue.

I hope the Orange box on the 360 has a crapload of achievements stuck on it.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 11:15
BlindsideDork
Orange Box was also originally planned just for 360 and PS3.
pandlcg's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 11:31
pandlcg
I think i have a way for companies to continue to give us free content on the 360.

MS said that you have to have 1000 achievement points in a retail game and that you cannot charge for extra content until that 1000 point benchmark is reached (such as with the Crackdown DLC). What if a company took Crackdown's approach and released a game with sub 1000 points and then kept putting out large expansions with only minor achievement point upgrades?

They could get around being forced to charge for DLC while still giving a large amount of content away.

I guess until MS realized they were being beaten at their own game and changed the rules.
pandlcg's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 11:33
pandlcg
if it wasnt clear they would want to slowly approach the 1000 point achievement mark so they could keep giving content away for free.

Do you think gamers would care if the achievement points were lessened but the content was free? I sure as shit wouldn't.
SlavedHeart's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 11:38
SlavedHeart
What I don't get is why everyone is so quick to start talking smack about Valve being a PR 'ho' on this one. Valve has classicaly been the 'gamers company'. Always taking the route they think best benefits the gamer, just as long as it doesn't sink the company.

Ok, so ep 1 and 2 are purchase updates on the PC, but come on.. Have you ever played them? I'd pay the 20 bucks just for the first 10 minutes in HL2Ep1, it had my blood running so smooth...
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 12:18
BluDesign
@pandlcg

I had a big problem with this. I usually play games till I can get as much life out of them as possible. Achievement points help out tremendously for me, but not having that whole 1000 points on the disc for Crackdown irritated me. Moreso because they waited 3 months after the game shipped before they released the details and the points.

Also, what if you have a situation where hypothetically, someone doesn't have internet access. They're screwed out of that extra 100 poins they're entitled to.

And I think Crackdown was meant to be an exception to the 1000 points on a retail disc rule. There was a Japanese 360 aquarium simulator that actually SOLD achievements in XBLM with downloadable fish. I believe that game was what set that "1000 points rule" in motion.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 12:24
B-Radicate
weren't there rumors a while back about portal eventually being released on its own anyway? this whole "pay again" thing is dumb, but since i only ever played hl2 on my xbox i am willing to pay $60 again just for tf2, portal, and the episodes that never made it to consoles any other way. sigh.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 12:26
Jim Sterling
"What I don't get is why everyone is so quick to start talking smack about Valve being a PR 'ho' on this one."

- I was mostly joking. It's clear they're riding the console market's back on this, but I don't think they're wrong to do so.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 13:42
BluDesign
@B-radicate

I'm only getting the Orange box for the 360 because HL2 is THAT good of a game to warrant purchasing a second time. Portal, TF2, and Episode 1 and 2 are bonus content, IMO.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 14:03
Aaron Mxy Yost
That's right, Valve doesn't need the money generated from DLC. They'll have in-game advertising! Whee!!!
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 14:17
AngelsDontBurn
You know, If I could buy them via Steam, that'd be great. Though personally I don't know if I'd ever trust buying anything over Steam because.. Well, because it's Steam. I love actually having the product in hand anyway, especially something as faptastic as Episode 2, Team Fortress 2 and Portal. I wondered how they would handle the acheivent points on the 360 (though I'm getting it on PC of course) because I mean, it sounds like they're gonna have acheivements for each game, but I don't know if they're allowed to exceed 1000 points? No other game has, have they?

Either way I want it and I want it now.

Fap fap fap.
Netik09's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 17:56
Netik09
Yes they do want to nickel and dime us. Hell, I'd do it if I were them. Then I'd be as rich as Niero. I currently can't afford to throw away perfectly cooked hamburger patties if they aren't perfect circles.
0bshaky's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2007 22:58
0bshaky
that Valve bald guy is Gabe Newell of Valve. He shaved his head and applied several bottles of Orange Glow. I think the valve is surgically inserted. Maybe to release the pressure of people demanding the game now??
nicolastheadept's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/23/2007 05:58
nicolastheadept
@dvddesign The episodes do not require HL2 to play.


Everyone just buy it on Steam as it is cheaper anyway. The only reason to buy the PC version at retail is not having a credit card.
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