EXACTLY what Joestar said. If anything, I'd use an R4 or something to play imported games. The ONLY reasons I have the Homebrew Channel on my Wii are to back up my Smash Bros. save and to play Fatal Frame IV. If they're doing this, they had better make the system region free and NOT have any locked saves.

Didn't you try out the R4 on your 3DS, does that mean it will explode after the next firmware update? I'm a technical dunce.

There are already flashcarts that disguise themselves on the DS. Some M4 cards register as a Danny Phantom game.

@Ramminchuck They're climbing your windows Snatchin’ yo’ people up

At first glance I too thought that 3DS was in fact green.

But apon further staring you can tell it's the standard light blue, only taken with a picture with awkward light exposure.

I'm scared! :(

I give it a month.

Maybe less.

Hell, it's probably already hacked; the hackers just haven't told anybody yet.

They shouldn't brick your system. They should just do what every other company does and prevent access to Nintendo Wi-Fi services, like Microsoft bans consoles from connecting to Live and Sony requires you to have official firmware. If they seriously brick your console and prevent you from using it that's stupid and throws $250 down the drain. And you wouldn't be able to unbrick it yourself, you'd probably have to send it into Nintendo to unbrick it and shell out even more cash.

So now EVERYBODY will know when I play Pony Friendz 2?

Gaming is just more enjoyable if you don't pirate. I used to have a soft modded wii and every time you wanted to do something simple like update you would have to read through guides on the internet and do it in a time consuming way. If you pirated the latest game there where numerous patches involved to get it to work right. When you finally got it to work it could freeze part way through or you could lose all your saves. Now I don't pirate and it is just easier. Updating takes 2 steps, games always work and I am not paranoid about losing my progress. It seems the same with this you will enjoy the 3ds more if you just don't pirate.

"They shouldn't brick your system. They should just do what every other company does and prevent access to Nintendo Wi-Fi services, like Microsoft bans consoles from connecting to Live"

What are you talking about? Microsoft banned a million people from XBL by bricking those peoples modded systems, in Nov 2009, so how would this be any different? If you don't pirate game, than you have nothing to worry about. If you do pirate games, well to fucking bad for you!

So developers of the 3DS varients of the R4, CycloDS etc cards will have to come up with a way around this, that's all this means. I doubt that any of these guys expected the 3DS to be exactly the same as the DS.

While I don't have a problem with Nintendo protecting it's investment I despise the idea of them remotely bricking the console. I miss the days when I bought a console and it was mine, to do with what I like. These days I'm just paying a large sum of money to rent the console indefinitely.

If I have already paid money for both the game and the console I should be allowed to use something like an R4 card to store stuff on without being threatened with the bricking of my property.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mznZk3c0fJc
wow... before it hit the states.

So you buy something but you can't entirely own it? Hahaha!

Meh, they'll find away around it, and I hope they do. Region locking is pretty much the sole reason that makes me crack devices. I hate being made to conform to the ridiculous prices in Australia, they could make (and probably will) 3DS games for $100 and people would buy them, except people with a shred of intelligence to import games for the world market average price. Sorry but nintendo lost a lot of my dollars with that one.

That being said, I will still buy games, but all the impulse easy buys that I can make through local means wont happen. And I realize the stupidity of saying Nintendo lost my money in that post haha, it's not nintendo, it's 3DS developers, who I feel sorry for.

Your move, hackers.

oh shit but can you use Ar Max? would love to play some cheats on you know :P

Solution: I get two 3DS. One for "legit" play, the other I disable wireless and use R4 or equivalent once it's produced.

boo-fucking-hoo

Fully in support of the hackers here. I remember Nintendo blocked the Action Replay from working on the Gamecube or Wii, which didn't endorse piracy but got around the region locking. So what Nintendo considers to be "bad" is subjective here, if I was to use something to play a game from, say, Japan and had my 3DS bricked, that would be a load of shit.

Agreed with ImmortalWaster. It does just seem like we're renting our property from the manufacturers nowadays. I live in the UK, so Nintendo is notorious for fucking us in the ass until we cry bloody tears (someone call the waaaambulance). Actually, that's the whole industry. But it's ridiculous that Nintendo has installed a means of essentially rendering your $200+ property unusable because you did something they didn't like.

And yes, yes. We all know shit like the R4 is primarily used for piracy, but I'm sure there are a good deal of people who use it for homebrew purposes or to just get their huge game collection around. For Nintendo to just point their big master hand finger at someone and say "YO, YOU NOT PLAYIN DIS NO MO" like some kind of parent is bizarre. Buying the 3DS is now subscribing to Nintendo's region locked bullshit policy.

I mean, THEY CAN REMOTELY DENY YOU USE OF YOUR PROPERTY!!! Fair enough if you obey their laws, but the principle of it is insane! I'm in awe at this. And if Sony and Microsoft have been pulling the same feat, I is also shocked at that, innit.

I hope they're advertising this on the box and shit before surprising people and I hope some kind of big deal is made about it in the eyes of the law if it is illegal to remotely brick someone's shit. Still, if this is the burden that comes with owning a 3DS (that Nintendo have the right to restrict your use of something that apparently is yours) the solution is to not own one. And I won't be. At least not until there's a way around this.

And I'm guessing that if they're able to do this, they've implemented something into the hardware/software of the DS to shut it down which in the end can be reversed. In which case I'll pirate the shit out of ma new 3DS because I'm a bitter, lonely and immature fuck :D

fuck you nintendo, its against the law to purposely brick anything without a full refund and lawsuit.

I'll wait until this is confirmed by an unofficial source to believe it.

I mean, Nintendo would love us to believe that hacking our console means that a moon will fall on our houses, too. Yeah. Don't do it because your house will be destroyed, your mother will spontaneously combust, and all water in the world will be contaminated by lead. Don't do it!

Reality, of course, is usually much further from the truth. I imagine they wrote in some code that bricks the 3DS if it's touched wrong, as a middle finger to hackers, and then...not a lot more than can do.

Lot of guys behaving as if they were legal scholars on here. I can assure you, the law on "bricking" devices and what constitutes "bricking" as well as violation of the user agreement is fairly subjective and there isn't a terrible amount of precedent on the issue. While I disagree with Nintendo's solution to "brick" devices with evidence of tampering, if that is what must be done to stop people from pirating and encourage the flourishing of software developers than that is what must be done, and the community has nobody else to blame outside of itself. Get over it, move the fuck on. You also "rent" your car and your house from the government Qraze... it's called paying TAXES. If you don't pay, YOU LOSE YOUR PROPERTY. IT GETS FORECLOSED. AKA YOUR HOUSE GOT BRICKED. Caps lock. This is how technology is going to work from now on. Better get used to it now.

I don't pirate games, but that scares me anyway. What if Nintendo shuts off my 3DS because I let my nephew borrow it and he goes on a shovelware binge? xD

@Luftwaffles

I'm the opposite of a legal scholar, but I am curious; where you live, do you not get taxed on purchases including VAT? Including a car and a house without a mortgage? I'm quite sure we do in England. So I'm not sure where the comparison of a games developer essentially having control over your purchased property is made.

I do believe the announcement also claimed that this will be a risk to anyone who makes ANY kind of customization not aprooved by Nintendo. If I may make my own comparison in the similar vein of a car, that's like Ferrari taking away your steering wheel if they didn't like the fact you put a new exhaust or what have you into it. Obviously this is going to extremes as we know the main issue is privacy, but I for one do not think this is how goods should be treated when bought.

This is how technology is going to work from now on? I truly do hope your crystal ball is malfunctioning, I'm a bit worried if that sweeping generalisation on the part of Nintendo is a sign of things to come.

I'd call this a step forward. Might not deter the haxxors who will try to find a way around this security, you know, to show off or whatever, but it could deter casual piracy and restrict it to the really hardcore types. On the other hand, if the 3DS actively seeks out "free" Wi-Fi then couldn't that be of a security issue, depending on who owns the hotspot?

ok, in real time im gonna say this, im paying 300 bux for a console and games with all my hard work, meanwhile another "dick" just hacks a pirates the hell out of the same console just for "stealed" games, cheat online...

Oh also, if you use the R4 your warranty is void, if nintendo bricks the console, you cant do anything... So, stop it...

The 3DS was bricked from the moment I was not allowed to play the games I want to play because I am British.

just hacked a 3DS. Pcap'd a recent firmware update and changed it and then uploaded it to the device using the same dest port and auth that was in the packet. The 3DS is running kernel 2. ssh magic and poof! now it doesn't send my footstep data *tadaa!*

@ Conan-san

Yes, exactly

JoeCamNet
So now EVERYBODY will know when I play Pony Friendz 2?

Dtoid comments needs a 'Like' button.

And in a few months hackers will design the R4, or R5 or whatever the hell they call it, to mimic the registration of whatever game is loaded on the cartridge thus making the anti-piracy system worthless.

Oh and bricking systems? Not cool Nintendo.

@ech0
Can't tell if troll...

Sony are fucking breaking the law and invading your privacy because they want to know how many people from California visited a website! Outrageous.

Nintendo use their latest console to monitor, literally, your every move, and every interaction with said console, so they can remote brick it if you don't use it how they want you to.


Could anyone give me some tuition on "Double Standards" it seems my abilities in te field lack behind a lot of people on this site.

Yeah, I'm sure a way around this will be found soon enough. Still, Nintendo has to try. I'm always of mixed feelings aobut news like this because I know piracy is a problem, but at the same time....I love using my R4 card to carry around all my games. I own all the games I play on it, I just love the convenience it provides in not being forced to carry a pouch full of cartridges.

Not to mention homebrew. Doom for the DS plays much better than Doom for the iPhone.

Let's just see who wins, shall we?

I don't see this as a big deal, because can't you turn off the wireless, and even if you have it on aren't you prompted with a yes or no choice before accepting a firmware update?

I'm with Nintendo on this one. Piracy spoils the industry for everyone and if you look at the statistics for it its a massive loss of money for games companies. I work in the games industry and I was shocked by several games employees bragging to me in the office that they had hundreds of pirated games available on their DS and iPhone. What planet are they on? The sad thing is they make it harder for people who just want to purchase region locked titles that are unavailable in their own country because the developer can't afford to localize them.

Wait the wifi is always on?

Seriously, I could give two shits about the industry if they are costing the consumer $300 by bricking the console - there really needs to be some regulation as to what you can and can't do regarding copyright contrl - disabling the game, fine - disabling a login to nintendo's wifi networks while the cart is in, fine but bricking the console is over reaching. Personally at this point I am losing more and more interest in the 3ds... I am just going to wait and see how sony handles the NGP - which hopefully doesn't send your stats home all of the time and actually looks like a much cooler unit

And what about the all the uses there are for the R4 and other similar devices that are NOT piracy? Are those gonna be banned too?

So, if somebody else puts a piracy device into my 3DS without my knowledge I will lose my system and I won't know why? Classy.

Always-on wifi + forced automatic updates...
Better leave your 3DS at home - one botched FW release or hacked hotspot and your 3DS is toast!

I so knew the 3DS was bullshit to combat piracy, I fucking knew this shit. Nintendo is really pulling some dick moves because they don't want their shit tampered with. They put some fucking LowJack on the 3DS its basically an invasion of privacy so they can do whatever they want to it, but will kill it the moment you do. Seriously fuck you Nintendo you're dead to me.

i dont like the skynet feel our new tech is bringing. kinect watches me, nintendo tracks me.

once they become sentient and merge with watson, it'll just be scary.

I miss the days when I bought a console and it was mine, to do with what I like. These days I'm just paying a large sum of money to rent the console indefinitely.

This, for fucks sake, this! You own the system its yours to make whatever you want of it, and even if you pirate, nintendo SHOULD NOT be able to disable YOUR PROPERTY. For fucks sake, americunts.

So are you saying that the R4 and other kind of bootloaders work on the 3DS??

This isn't going to stop anybody. Well, correction: it'll stop small-time hackers, but it'll encourage the big boys to tear it apart even more.

I think nintendo should only ban people using these devices to pirate games. If there playing their older ds games with them, nintendo has no right to ban them.