I upset a handful of people (who must have been relatives of Sony, they were so emotional) when I dismissed Naughty Dog's previous assertion that Uncharted 2 was impossible on anything but a PS3, stating that these sorts of console-dividing claims tend to say more about a developer's skill than a console's power. Not that I think Naughty Dog is a bad developer at all, I'm just saying that Naughty Dog made themselves look bad.
Well, Naughty Dog president Evan Wells has made sure that the latest round of console-exclusive fellatio is more balanced, adding that development skill is more important than platform. He still states, however, that Uncharted 2 would have been "very different" without the PS3's attributes.
"I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3," he said. "Great programmers and great artists are going to make a great game. Naughty Dog will continue to push the PlayStation hardware as far as we can.
"We’re fortunate that we get to work on a system that has a hard drive and uses blu-ray for storage. Without these things, Uncharted 2 would have been a very different game. What we were able to do with the Cell processor allowed us to achieve a density of polygons and a fidelity to our effects that would simply not be possible without it.
"But ultimately, if we didn’t have a team of very talented programmers and artists, we wouldn’t have been able to take advantage of the hardware and achieve the results that we did."
What say you? Is Uncharted 2 only possible on the PS3, or could the Xbox 360 have handled it? Personally, I'm still holding out for a Game Boy Color version.
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11:20 AM on 10.16.2009
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I have a 360 and I haven't seen graphics to touch Uncharted 2 so far. I also think that whether it's possible is pointless speculation seing as we're not devs...
But yeh, Uncharted 2 is graphically the best game I've ever played. And it's awesome to boot!
What loading? aside from the 20 seconds before the game boots up, my game never had to load anything.
It doesn't seem like xbox doesn't have 1st party pushing the system. Not that it matters that much since it's about the gameplay. But with everythinggong multiplatform it doesn't seem like xbox has that much 1st party support (at least for games I care about). Meanwhie the ps3 has got kill one, uncharted, god of war, etc.
But maybe it'll push MS into throwing some money at it. Don't get me wrong I love my 360, 70% of my current gen games are 360. It just feels like they're lacking in exclusive 1st party games that matter to me. /end ot
@RenegadePanda: that's fair, but realize that's not a graphic quality issue that a graphic design issue.
and to the writer of this blog entry (or whatever the fuck it's called), i don't believe that you don't suck massive cocks at night while a donkey licks your asshole, no matter what you say.
that's pretty fair of me right? i'm just going to assume you're a lying cock sucker without knowing anything about you? i can just "tell" that.
how about this? let's let the internet decide! brilliant right? because a million people who don't know will be better than one. so what do you guys think? is he the head master or no?
When Jim said that ND looked like bad developers for saying Uncharted 2 couldn't be done on the 360, I basically gave it a "whatever" shrug and moved on. If he really knew if it could be done or not, I'm guessing he'd be a developer, and not a blogger.
Having said that, I wish Microsoft would get some more awesome 1st party games going here. Fable 3 just doesn't sound that exciting right now. Then again... the 360's architecture is so easy for 3rd party developers to use, I guess there isn't a huge need for 1st party games. Dunno... still... come up with something neat, Microsoft or try to buy off Naughty Dog and Insomniac already.
Graphics are so good now on the PS3, 360 and PC that I fail to care about the difference. High end PC graphics beat everything but honestly, who gives a crap about how textured it is or whatever, when you are flying through the scene trying to shoot 9 bad guys at once, it's too subtle. It's not like the difference between Wii and PS3/360. Which is an entire generational leap.
Even the cryengine 3 stuff that came out recently doesn't look like a generational leap.
Naughty dog should just be proud of how good a game they have put out and stop baiting pointless flamewars.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but you'll have to show me a game running on 360 that looks that good before I believe that it's possible.
This is the only game i can think of that i couldn't see being run equally well on the 360. MGS4 is the PS3's other graphical powerhouse, and the usual go-to example of "BRahh PS3 is better," but MGS didn't really do anything i hadn't seen on the 360. Killzone 2 has some pretty post-processing effects and depth of field that looked a bit crisper than, say, gears of war, but the game was so artistically bland i couldn't make a graphical comparison in good conscience. What's annoying is that all the best-looking games on the 360 are just running on the Unreal 3 engine, which isn't all that impressive anymore, and i've yet to see any devs really try to up the ante on the 360.
I guess the easiest way to settle the battle for graphical superiority will be to wait for CryEngine 3 games to come out, as that whole engine is designed around getting the most juice out of each of them. But then again, none of this matters in the slightest because PC's exist, and i am a sucker for 1080p.
Not to mention the 360 is at the end of its lifecycle, which means the envelope has been pushed about as far as it can go. The PS3 is about half-way through its lifecycle, so don't expect UC2 to be the last game to push the envelope on the PS3.
Now, don't mistake that for UC2 couldn't have been on the 360, it could have been, but it wouldn't be as graphically advanced. Going back to the weakest link earlier, this is the reason why mutliplatforms look so similar, or a tad worse on the PS3, they are designed on/for the weaker of the two systems and ported to the other system.
The 360 would be able to handle a version of the game, just how good the version would be depends on the skill of the developer.
Some developers just do the 360 first because they're use to it, or they simply don't like the PS3 (looks at Valve).
And eggdog14 has a point, nothing on a console looks as good as TF2 in 1080p on my PC (to me).
NO MOVIE i've seen this year can compare to it and its presentation; Hollywood i would be scared if the future of games are like UC2's quality. the voice acting is also very well done; you really do feel the tension and comrade between the characters.
i think the fact that EVERY ps3 has a harddrive makes it more feasible on the PS3 and in turn why it may not have worked so well on the x360 (the biggest problem w/the multi sku x360 was not everyone had a hdd, that makes it hard for a developer or imo it does).
Yeah, it doesn't take a genious to know that. Hold it close to your heart as consolance and rise above the people being mean to your beloved box, sweetheart.
So relax buddy, this isn't about console fanboyism.
And yeah, fanboys can tout consoles all they like but they can never match a good gaming rig for power.
Platform exclusive studios are the people that really get to know the architecture for each platform and learn to exploit them to the fullest. Now Sony might have made an error by making the architecture so different on the PS3 that developing for it is so different from what programmers are used to. Naughty Dog has been working with this architecture from day 1 and nothing else, so yes I think if anybody could make this statement, it would be them, and I would agree with them. Most studios don't have the time or commitment to do a PS3 native game or don't take the time to exploit the PS3 correctly. To me XBOX exclusive look good, but much better than a multi-platform? not really. PS3 exclusives (which unfortunately aren't many) look way much better than multi-platform offerings. Uncharted 2 is easily the best looking game, specifically on character models, animations, and high resolution textures and considering it doesn't require an install, the loading times are amazing. At least for single player. Great game.
"Naughty dog should just be proud of how good a game they have put out and stop baiting pointless flamewars."
they're not baiting the flame wars. jim is. read the article again.
Loading times? I've only seen one loading, and that's in the beginning. The game doesn't load AT ALL while you're playing.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I just beat the game yesterday and can honestly not think of any PC games other than maybe Crysis that look as awesome as UC2. A computer that could run the game would definitely cost more than the $300 it is for s PS3, and all this is coming from an avid PC gamer.
I own all three of the "next-gen" consoles, and without a doubt, the PS3 is the most graphically advanced of the them all. No one can argue that fact. And while Uncharted 2 might still have been playable on the 360, it certainly wouldn't be the graphical masterpiece that it's being touted as.
So, Jim, yes and no to your point. Xbox and Wii games are fun, but if there is a PS3 version available, I'm going to get it.
But anyways, it would have been possible and much easier to do on a 360, though it would require multiple discs to play. Programming wise, it probably would have been easier than to do so for the PS3, seeing as programming for the 360 is almost the same as that of the PC. And the 360 actually has equal or better graphics compared to the PS3.
Personal Oppinion this one.
Quote - "I fail to see why Naughty Dog seems to feel this need to justify the PS3-exclusiveness of their game. Lots of other games are single-console-only affairs, but I never see any of their developers try to justify it."
What the hell have Turn10 being doing recently with Forza3, harping on about comparisons with GT5, & stating that their physics model is way & above everything else. I'm not saying it's not true, but Turn10 seem to feel the need to justify their creation against the exclusive opposition of GT5, which isn't even close to out yet.
Plenty of developers of exclusive games make bold statements, you just chose to pick this one out.
If someone built a game specifically designed for my pcs hardware I'm sure it would look vastly better than Uncharted 2 as my pc is easily twice if not more powerful than the ps3. I mean shit Crysis in alot of ways still looks better than U2 and that game runs at 120fps on max settings on my pc.