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I don't see what the big deal is. Buy the game new and there is no additional cost to you. Publishers lose a ton of money because of used game sales. They make zero dollars while stores like gamestop profit like crazy off the work of others. If you buy the game used, or want to borrow it from a friend (or rent it) and play online, it's going to cost you $5...not that big of a deal. At least they are only charging the difference between a new game and a used game, and not $10 like EA/Activision.
I'm seeing a lot of people complaining about Gamestop and its shitty used game prices. You're absolutely right about them, don't get me wrong, but there are far better places to get used games for cheap. Even basic ones like eBay and Amazon will outperform those a-holes.
@ctmythic
"Anyway, what's the difference between buying a second hand video game and software/music/film piracy via file sharing?"
I had never before heard of people trying to criminalize people who buy used games before I started reading the comments on Dtoid.
The answer to your question is that only person can have that used game. Pirated media can be replicated an infinite number of times, torrented to a thousand different people at once around the world, but there is only one copy of that used game.
But to address the broader issue, used games represent competition. They allow businesses and individuals the chance to make some money by offering games at a lower price, but with more wear, and further away from when the game was initially released. If a consumer is willing to make that sacrifice to save money, the option is there, and it is the industry's obligation to convince people that their product is worth getting new and keeping.
It's the same issue as with any consumer product that can be used more than once, from game consoles all the way to used cars. It is neither illegal, nor immoral. Just business.
@ctmythic
"Anyway, what's the difference between buying a second hand video game and software/music/film piracy via file sharing?"
I had never before heard of people trying to criminalize people who buy used games before I started reading the comments on Dtoid.
The answer to your question is that only person can have that used game. Pirated media can be replicated an infinite number of times, torrented to a thousand different people at once around the world, but there is only one copy of that used game.
But to address the broader issue, used games represent competition. They allow businesses and individuals the chance to make some money by offering games at a lower price, but with more wear, and further away from when the game was initially released. If a consumer is willing to make that sacrifice to save money, the option is there, and it is the industry's obligation to convince people that their product is worth getting new and keeping.
It's the same issue as with any consumer product that can be used more than once, from game consoles all the way to used cars. It is neither illegal, nor immoral. Just business.
@Charl3z523: The simple fact of the matter is: I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE PUBLISHER'S PROFITS. They're taking something I buy new and putting a restriction on it. Does this benefit me in anyway? No it doesn't. It is however messing with my ability to play titles without an internet connection or on multiple accounts on the same console.
God forbid anything happened to my live or PSN account. I'd suddenly lose $10-15 worth of content on every game I own which I'd be forced to rebuy if I wanted my games to be complete. This seems reasonable to you?
What happens when the servers shut down. I can no longer touch parts of my games because they decided to lock them away? Imagine if this shit was on the NES. Parts of Super Mario Bros would be unplayable today. Sorry no World 8 for you because our servers were taken offline.
I'm a collector. All my disks were purchased new and they're in mint condition. I've always supported the industry and what they're doing right now offends me as a gamer. I might not have full rights over the software but I'll be damned if they're going to take away my right to play the games at any point now or in the future. Twenty to thirty years from now I want to be able to look back and play some of these games.
So back to whether the publishers or Gamestop deserve my money... Frankly I'd rather Gamestop got every last drop of the profits if the publishers are going to treat me like shit. Gamestop might suck but at least they're not depriving me of what I've paid for.
It's ok though. Watching the industry micro transaction and DRM itself to death while more and more games become bland, unoriginal, and buggy makes me feel like I'm not going to miss it much.
God forbid anything happened to my live or PSN account. I'd suddenly lose $10-15 worth of content on every game I own which I'd be forced to rebuy if I wanted my games to be complete. This seems reasonable to you?
What happens when the servers shut down. I can no longer touch parts of my games because they decided to lock them away? Imagine if this shit was on the NES. Parts of Super Mario Bros would be unplayable today. Sorry no World 8 for you because our servers were taken offline.
I'm a collector. All my disks were purchased new and they're in mint condition. I've always supported the industry and what they're doing right now offends me as a gamer. I might not have full rights over the software but I'll be damned if they're going to take away my right to play the games at any point now or in the future. Twenty to thirty years from now I want to be able to look back and play some of these games.
So back to whether the publishers or Gamestop deserve my money... Frankly I'd rather Gamestop got every last drop of the profits if the publishers are going to treat me like shit. Gamestop might suck but at least they're not depriving me of what I've paid for.
It's ok though. Watching the industry micro transaction and DRM itself to death while more and more games become bland, unoriginal, and buggy makes me feel like I'm not going to miss it much.
I personally have not purchased a game for full price in a long time especially since after 2 months they drop to $40 through sales. How does that help the publisher? This new $5-10 online pass thing is nothing more than a cash grab at money that has nothing to do with them.
Also I don't see this doing anything other tanking the trade in values for games that come with this pass system. For example lets say that a game would have a $40 trade in value now it will be $20-25 and Gamestop will sell it for $40-45 instead of $55. So the publisher "may" gain $5-10 minus the cut that they would have to pay Microsoft and Sony for the transaction. YES PROFIT!
Also I don't see this doing anything other tanking the trade in values for games that come with this pass system. For example lets say that a game would have a $40 trade in value now it will be $20-25 and Gamestop will sell it for $40-45 instead of $55. So the publisher "may" gain $5-10 minus the cut that they would have to pay Microsoft and Sony for the transaction. YES PROFIT!
This is a huge problem.
Before you're start mouthing off about how you should have to buy new instead of used, consider people who have various family members.
How is this going to work?
I have several family members who live with me who played UFC2009 online, Is the code going to unlock it for the Xbox/PS3 or for one account?
This has gone from a guaranteed buy to a big if. It'll probably drive more customers away than bring in buyers of new copies.
Before you're start mouthing off about how you should have to buy new instead of used, consider people who have various family members.
How is this going to work?
I have several family members who live with me who played UFC2009 online, Is the code going to unlock it for the Xbox/PS3 or for one account?
This has gone from a guaranteed buy to a big if. It'll probably drive more customers away than bring in buyers of new copies.
All this crying and bitching. Does no-one realise that Used games retailers cannot sell a used single player only (without a code) game for the same price as they used to sell a used single + Multi player game?!?!
Used game prices WILL COME DOWN because of this.
The only people this will hurt are the trader-inners (me) as we'll get less pennies for our used games and to be honest will be less likely to trade them in.
Which isn't a bad thing.
this will hurt MY wallet, but i think it's perfectly acceptable.
Used game prices WILL COME DOWN because of this.
The only people this will hurt are the trader-inners (me) as we'll get less pennies for our used games and to be honest will be less likely to trade them in.
Which isn't a bad thing.
this will hurt MY wallet, but i think it's perfectly acceptable.
@SC
"Does no-one realise that Used games retailers cannot sell a used single player only (without a code) game for the same price as they used to sell a used single + Multi player game?!?!"
Why not? I understand what you're getting at (that retailers would have to factor in the $5-$10 into the resale price), but why wouldn't they simply keep prices as they are and put the blame on the buyer for not knowing better?
Isn't there a good chance the average buyer will simply fork over the extra money because, hey, I already bought the game?
"Does no-one realise that Used games retailers cannot sell a used single player only (without a code) game for the same price as they used to sell a used single + Multi player game?!?!"
Why not? I understand what you're getting at (that retailers would have to factor in the $5-$10 into the resale price), but why wouldn't they simply keep prices as they are and put the blame on the buyer for not knowing better?
Isn't there a good chance the average buyer will simply fork over the extra money because, hey, I already bought the game?
This is bullshit, I already pay for xbox live 3 times on one console, now I'm gonna have to buy 3 lots of codes to pay online ?
The issue isn't Used Games and New Games.
It's having to pay extra money for another person in the same household on the same console to use the game fully.
I already bought their game, brand new. I have to buy again. You guys justifying it are a problem, not a solution.
It's having to pay extra money for another person in the same household on the same console to use the game fully.
I already bought their game, brand new. I have to buy again. You guys justifying it are a problem, not a solution.
@Aurian and everyone else complaining about how you will have to pay extra for a family member to play:
You won't. At least on Xbox 360. Content purchased and INITIALLY DOWNLOADED on a console is available to any user of that console, no matter who bought it. So if you type in the Online code and download the key on your home console using your XBL account, anyone who plays that console will have online access.
Additionally, if you go to a friend's house, you will be able to download the key free of charge, but in that case it will only work while you are signed in to your friend's console using your Xbox Live account; as soon as you sign out, the key will no-longer work.
You won't. At least on Xbox 360. Content purchased and INITIALLY DOWNLOADED on a console is available to any user of that console, no matter who bought it. So if you type in the Online code and download the key on your home console using your XBL account, anyone who plays that console will have online access.
Additionally, if you go to a friend's house, you will be able to download the key free of charge, but in that case it will only work while you are signed in to your friend's console using your Xbox Live account; as soon as you sign out, the key will no-longer work.
I wonder the long term ramifications. Used sales take a hit and the revolving door of offloading your used to buy new may indeed cause an overall deflation to the industry. Make no mistake, the used market directly contributes to sales of new releases.
Wait, so I pay $60 a year for XBOX Live, so I can be punished if I buy a game used, and be forced to pay another $10? Wtf?
I don't really give a rats ass if EA is butthurt about the used game market. If I borrow a game off my buddy, try it out, and be told I need a code to play online, that's not going to help my view of the game, is it? Or what about rentals? Alot of these methods are used to help a consumer decide if he or she wants to buy a game full-out.
Not anymore.
I don't really give a rats ass if EA is butthurt about the used game market. If I borrow a game off my buddy, try it out, and be told I need a code to play online, that's not going to help my view of the game, is it? Or what about rentals? Alot of these methods are used to help a consumer decide if he or she wants to buy a game full-out.
Not anymore.
People that support this initiative seem to be largely ignorant about how business and their consumer rights work in the first place.
The concept that "Publisher's deserve to get paid for their games" is a desperate arguement with no legs to stand on. Publishers DO get paid for their games, the first time they are purchased. The common thought pattern is that someone who bought the game used would've purchased it new if the used option wasn't there. This isn't the case. Consumers have a specific price point that they will not pass. This is the reason all games, big or small, are $60.00, it is the price that the average consumer is willing to pay for a video game. Some consumers, however, cannot or will not pay that $60.00 price point and purchase the game used or on sale at a reduced price. An online pass isn't going to change this. People that will not pay $60.00 to buy the entire game will not spend $60.00 just to buy the game with an online pass.
Also, I'd love to hear the arguments of how this is not double dipping. THQ will pay no additional manufacturing costs for the game, hosts no online servers (EA Fanboys general defense), and still has the profits from the original purchasers new purchase. Yet somehow they are owed money on the resale of a legally purchased product that was sold, legally, to someone else completely without the involvement of THQ or their stockholders. That's double dipping, and in the most disgusting way possible. You name me another industry that gets to take a cut of used sales made legally under the First Sale Doctrine. ANY other industry, and I'll just my stance entirely. Until then, this is disgusting greed, and anyone that supports it is a blind nut-hugging fanboy.
The concept that "Publisher's deserve to get paid for their games" is a desperate arguement with no legs to stand on. Publishers DO get paid for their games, the first time they are purchased. The common thought pattern is that someone who bought the game used would've purchased it new if the used option wasn't there. This isn't the case. Consumers have a specific price point that they will not pass. This is the reason all games, big or small, are $60.00, it is the price that the average consumer is willing to pay for a video game. Some consumers, however, cannot or will not pay that $60.00 price point and purchase the game used or on sale at a reduced price. An online pass isn't going to change this. People that will not pay $60.00 to buy the entire game will not spend $60.00 just to buy the game with an online pass.
Also, I'd love to hear the arguments of how this is not double dipping. THQ will pay no additional manufacturing costs for the game, hosts no online servers (EA Fanboys general defense), and still has the profits from the original purchasers new purchase. Yet somehow they are owed money on the resale of a legally purchased product that was sold, legally, to someone else completely without the involvement of THQ or their stockholders. That's double dipping, and in the most disgusting way possible. You name me another industry that gets to take a cut of used sales made legally under the First Sale Doctrine. ANY other industry, and I'll just my stance entirely. Until then, this is disgusting greed, and anyone that supports it is a blind nut-hugging fanboy.
@Everyone who disagreed with me.
You don't hear book or movie publishers EVER bitching about the sale of used media. That's because they accept that it's a simple consumer right. I honestly don't know what makes the gaming industry so special in this matter. So yeah: Just keep telling those publishers how much you want them to fuck with consumers.. because, as evidenced by recent events, they have no problem at all doing so. And you all just take it.
You don't hear book or movie publishers EVER bitching about the sale of used media. That's because they accept that it's a simple consumer right. I honestly don't know what makes the gaming industry so special in this matter. So yeah: Just keep telling those publishers how much you want them to fuck with consumers.. because, as evidenced by recent events, they have no problem at all doing so. And you all just take it.
@UnnDunn: Some households have more than one console/gamertag.If my wife wants to take the disc and go play in the bedroom, she'll now have to pay $5 for the online. BluDesign and others like him are right. This is nothing more than a money grab.
@bludesign has it right. The best way to send a message to the game publishers would be if the marketplace refused to buy games over $40. In fact, I vow never to buy a game for more than that price again. I'm happy waiting a few months for the things to go on sale. Thanks to Destructoid I got Metro & Darksiders at K-Mart for $29.99 last month. When I finish those I'll start working on the Saboteur which I will buy at Amazon for $18.96. By then it will be mid Summer and Bayonetta may be $30. That's four games for just over $100.
Often the marketing push for new games gets me excited enough to lay down full price and more often than not I am disappointed that I didn't wait.
The video game world is well known for being full of rage. Wouldn't we all be a lot happier if we were paying $30 per title?
Often the marketing push for new games gets me excited enough to lay down full price and more often than not I am disappointed that I didn't wait.
The video game world is well known for being full of rage. Wouldn't we all be a lot happier if we were paying $30 per title?
After reading Broken Cage's comment, I looked up First Sale Doctrine to see what it was all about. It basically a concept in the Copyright Act of 1976 that says that once the copyrighted item is sold, the copyright holder can no longer govern the resale of their IP so long as there were no extra copies made by the reseller.
I have a feeling that this may go to court someday as it will be an argument over selling the game vs licensing the game. Software companies generally say that they license their software (hence the End User Licensing Agreement) and not sell it (depsite the fact that you always here about Activision's 4th quarter sales, not 4th quarter licensings). This is basically the video game industry finding a loophole in the Copyright Act.
I have a feeling that this may go to court someday as it will be an argument over selling the game vs licensing the game. Software companies generally say that they license their software (hence the End User Licensing Agreement) and not sell it (depsite the fact that you always here about Activision's 4th quarter sales, not 4th quarter licensings). This is basically the video game industry finding a loophole in the Copyright Act.
I guess the only thing that bothers me is if you did take the game over to a friends house. What then?
I think overall this move to pay for online doesn't really bother me since I do generally buy games I want day one. I understand why they are doing it, but I still think its kind of shitty, but it probably won't impact me all that much.
I think overall this move to pay for online doesn't really bother me since I do generally buy games I want day one. I understand why they are doing it, but I still think its kind of shitty, but it probably won't impact me all that much.
LOL at everyone thats complaining about this
Boohoo i cant save $5 fucking dollars. Wahhhh WAHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHH somebody call the whammmmbulance.
buy new games, cant afford that extra $5 to buy the game new? maybe you should not be buying a game then, use some fucking self control and restraint. could spend the extra $5 but dont want to? look on fucking amazon and get it cheaper.
to the person that wants jack thompson involved because the game maker would profit on used sales. i laugh at your stupidity. game stop makes profit off the initial sale, the used trade in, and the money they make off the games you buy when you trade your games in. you feed into a system that caused this problem, and now you complain about it.
Boohoo i cant save $5 fucking dollars. Wahhhh WAHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHH somebody call the whammmmbulance.
buy new games, cant afford that extra $5 to buy the game new? maybe you should not be buying a game then, use some fucking self control and restraint. could spend the extra $5 but dont want to? look on fucking amazon and get it cheaper.
to the person that wants jack thompson involved because the game maker would profit on used sales. i laugh at your stupidity. game stop makes profit off the initial sale, the used trade in, and the money they make off the games you buy when you trade your games in. you feed into a system that caused this problem, and now you complain about it.
@robtic, really? because from what i understand blockbuster had to put a deal in place in order to get first dib rentals on all new releases. services like redbox and netflix wont have those new releases on release day anymore which people wont be able to rent them, they did this because it was killing new movie sales. Also video games dont have a 2-3 month run where you have to pay $8+ every time you want to play it.
Publisher sells game to someone for $60. Person sells game to store. Store sells game to someone else. Publisher gets another $5 or $10.
Poor, unloved publisher- everyone steals their games and they never make money.
Poor, unloved publisher- everyone steals their games and they never make money.
Seriously... think about a game that its online multiplayer doesn't appeal to you very much. For me, the perfect example would be Bioshock 2. All right, I'm going to buy used this game and in the store they tell me that I need to pay extra money to play online. Well, I pass. And like me, lots of people would pass. Maybe because they aren't interested in multiplayer neither, maybe because it raises the whole price more than they want to or can afford, maybe because they already have bought that code/online pass for another game and they found out that the online was dead and didn't worth it, maybe they expect lots of people act like them and after 6 months from release day, the number of people playing online in that game will have been reduced much more than usual. In short: online lifetime of a game decreases. Simple maths: every person who doesn't buy the code/online pass is a person less playing online. Can you dig it now?
@Shulamm: Excellent point Shulamm and a problem most non-triple A titles have. Sure Call of Duty, Halo, Gears, TF2, Nattlefield, etc get their large player bases, but when you're a smaller game or have multiplayer as a side option it's critical to get the online community alive.
@Silverx2: I'd like to take an guess and say you're about 10-14 with no concept of the value of money. Sure it's just $5... Then $5 for the next game, then another $10 for the game after that, then $15 for the DLC maps that will be forced into multiplayer so you'll need them. Shit adds up. It's not $5. It's $5-10 x Every title some people buy from now on.
Do we even need to go on about the drawbacks for people who buy it new anyway? Smaller online community, tied to a single account, need internet connection (My 360 normally isn't on my network, PS3 is thanks to wireless), unable to be accessed after 360 live or PSN goes down (360 live going down will happen and probably in the next 10 years. The original xbox live is already gone. PSN is a mystery as it's the first time Sony's done something like it). These things impact people who PAID FULL PRICE. Once again the industry is hurting the customers in the sake of self interest.
I have a solution for the industry. It will solve used game sales no problem... Here it is...
MAKE GAMES PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO FUCKING RESELL TO BEGIN WITH.
Stop making pathetic 5 hour games then whining when people never really care if they touch them again. I mean really. Most people have a collection of movies. Why? Because they're things people want to experience again and again. Why isn't the same true of games?
I have several titles I'd never part with because the games were that great. Other titles? Wouldn't care if they were tossed into the sun. These are generally the people bitching about used sales.
@Silverx2: I'd like to take an guess and say you're about 10-14 with no concept of the value of money. Sure it's just $5... Then $5 for the next game, then another $10 for the game after that, then $15 for the DLC maps that will be forced into multiplayer so you'll need them. Shit adds up. It's not $5. It's $5-10 x Every title some people buy from now on.
Do we even need to go on about the drawbacks for people who buy it new anyway? Smaller online community, tied to a single account, need internet connection (My 360 normally isn't on my network, PS3 is thanks to wireless), unable to be accessed after 360 live or PSN goes down (360 live going down will happen and probably in the next 10 years. The original xbox live is already gone. PSN is a mystery as it's the first time Sony's done something like it). These things impact people who PAID FULL PRICE. Once again the industry is hurting the customers in the sake of self interest.
I have a solution for the industry. It will solve used game sales no problem... Here it is...
MAKE GAMES PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO FUCKING RESELL TO BEGIN WITH.
Stop making pathetic 5 hour games then whining when people never really care if they touch them again. I mean really. Most people have a collection of movies. Why? Because they're things people want to experience again and again. Why isn't the same true of games?
I have several titles I'd never part with because the games were that great. Other titles? Wouldn't care if they were tossed into the sun. These are generally the people bitching about used sales.
@iron Dragon, and ill take it that your some hipster 17 year old posting from your macbook pro, while you mom cuts the crusts off your pb&j sandwich. See i can make assumptions too!
heres what i love about your post, you are upset about the online have a fee attached to it for new games, but then your arguement is about the single player aspect which would remain free when you buy it new.
the thing that REALLY grinds my gears is that As a PC gamer, all your console fanboys really ruined it for us pc gamers, we had the cd-key thing for years no problems, but now all that dlc we used to get for free, yeah its done. those dedicated servers we used to have? gone, thanks again console gamers. Karma called and it wants to have a word with you.
heres what i love about your post, you are upset about the online have a fee attached to it for new games, but then your arguement is about the single player aspect which would remain free when you buy it new.
the thing that REALLY grinds my gears is that As a PC gamer, all your console fanboys really ruined it for us pc gamers, we had the cd-key thing for years no problems, but now all that dlc we used to get for free, yeah its done. those dedicated servers we used to have? gone, thanks again console gamers. Karma called and it wants to have a word with you.
Am i the only person who doesnt live alone? i live with my brother we already have to pay for seperate xbox live accounts not that big of a deal but this is ridiculous why should we have to pay extra to both play online? or buy two copies? We bought one copy of Mass Effect 2 DLC i can do without but online play is a core portion of the game
@Silverx2: Fuck your "restrain yourselves and budget!" argument. Video games are a hobby, and when you start taking money away from other important areas just to save for a toy (which is what a video game is), it stops being a hobby and starts being a fucking lifestyle. Seriously, fuck you and everyone who believes in that Ken Kutaragi "It will make you disciplined" argument.
@UnnDunn
Actually you are wrong, the code is tied to your GAMERTAG/PSN ID and NOT your console. So multiple people in one house must ALL buy codes to pay online. It's total bullshit.
Actually you are wrong, the code is tied to your GAMERTAG/PSN ID and NOT your console. So multiple people in one house must ALL buy codes to pay online. It's total bullshit.
as far as PC games are involved lets not forget this important point:
ITS POSSIBLE TO PIRATE A GAME AND STILL PLAY IT ONLINE
thats right, online, but of course not on the original servers.
But hamachi et all, are there for this, and while a lot of servers you will find will be full of cheaters, browsing servers will eventually net you some decent ones with active admins that ban cheaters, etc-
basically, the more i read shit like this, the more i pirate
ITS POSSIBLE TO PIRATE A GAME AND STILL PLAY IT ONLINE
thats right, online, but of course not on the original servers.
But hamachi et all, are there for this, and while a lot of servers you will find will be full of cheaters, browsing servers will eventually net you some decent ones with active admins that ban cheaters, etc-
basically, the more i read shit like this, the more i pirate
I very much like the observations about the online portion of these games dying in the ass within months. It's a barrier to the online experience, and sure as shit it will result in lower numbers of people playing online. This will effect those people that did pony up for the game new. And of course consideration needs to be payed to the next iteration of said title. If the online was unsatisfying this time around, will you buy the next game? Unlikely, and the vicious downward spiral continous.
This is getting stupid now.I was under the impression when i buy a game new,used whatever that i get that fully product. First there is on disc DLC being sold as it is new created content,now we have to pay extra to pay online...That's if you bought MW2 and then when you tried to go online the game prompted you to download the multiplayer part of the game is lame, at least the code is free if you shuck out 60 dollars how nice of them..So i should probably just move this out of my gamefly queue i suppose.Also from reading some of the posts here it makes its sound like your not a real games if you don't buy all of your stuff new i just don't understand the stigma some people have with used games what's up with that?
@Novakaine
Are you fucking retarded? Of course you budget for your hobbies, otherwise you would spend all your money for bills(the ones your mom doesnt pay) and spend all your free time(since you dont work and live with your parents who cook and clean up after you) If you are not taking money from the important areas of your life, where is your "hobby money" coming from?
Are you fucking retarded? Of course you budget for your hobbies, otherwise you would spend all your money for bills(the ones your mom doesnt pay) and spend all your free time(since you dont work and live with your parents who cook and clean up after you) If you are not taking money from the important areas of your life, where is your "hobby money" coming from?
@Silverx2: The retarded one is the guy who can't write a legible paragraph and resorts to ad hominem because his argument is impotent. You're not getting the point, and your "arguments" are personal attacks because you're apparently a butthurt PC gamer who's blaming console gamers for "ruining it for you."
And I'm paying off all my own shit on my own, thank you very much. Video games aren't that big a priority.
And I'm paying off all my own shit on my own, thank you very much. Video games aren't that big a priority.
Counterpoint to my own point:
Having to pay extra to unlock something on the disc I bought is pretty shitty.
Having to pay for online access for multiple online accounts on the same console is pretty shitty. (If it works that way)
Having to pay to unlock features on a rented games is pretty shitty.
Yeah, that's pretty shitty.
Having to pay extra to unlock something on the disc I bought is pretty shitty.
Having to pay for online access for multiple online accounts on the same console is pretty shitty. (If it works that way)
Having to pay to unlock features on a rented games is pretty shitty.
Yeah, that's pretty shitty.
There is a simple fix for this. DO NOT BUY THE GAMES. I for one will refuse to buy this title or any other title with the same kind of program. If they are going to do this are they going to lower the price of their video game? If I do ever buy UFC 2010 or Tiger Woods I will be buying used (or pirated) without the code so no online. But I will live. So those that don't approve of this practice (like me) will get along fine with the '10 versions. One of my primary concerns is where this will lead if we let this happen. Entering a validation code when you buy a new game or the game will refuse to start? Codes for us to play our games, that we bought, is extreme but some computer DRM protections only allow several installs before the disc becomes a coaster.
tl;dr If you don't approve, don't buy the game. If you approve bend over and prepare for the butt-raping that will eventually come if this progresses further.
tl;dr If you don't approve, don't buy the game. If you approve bend over and prepare for the butt-raping that will eventually come if this progresses further.
PC Gamers have used product keys for YEARS and we aren't complaining about it.
This isn't rocket science, I don't know how this generates news. It's a damn serial number, you enter it in once, then you play... This isn't a separate purchase or anything, it comes with the game...
This is the least of your worries when it comes to DRM. It could be a lot worse. I think it might be the fact that console gamers aren't used to this, but there's nothing hard about typing in a more or less 10-digit key into a game.
Just my opinion...
This isn't rocket science, I don't know how this generates news. It's a damn serial number, you enter it in once, then you play... This isn't a separate purchase or anything, it comes with the game...
This is the least of your worries when it comes to DRM. It could be a lot worse. I think it might be the fact that console gamers aren't used to this, but there's nothing hard about typing in a more or less 10-digit key into a game.
Just my opinion...
@Woverine
Actually, YOU'RE wrong. On Xbox 360, content that is purchased and INITIALLY DOWNLOADED on a certain console is tied to the CONSOLE, as well as the user who downloaded it.
Actually, YOU'RE wrong. On Xbox 360, content that is purchased and INITIALLY DOWNLOADED on a certain console is tied to the CONSOLE, as well as the user who downloaded it.
An additional $5. Sounds reasonable. Sure free would be alot nicer but atleast this isn't some totally invasive annoying fuckhola idea.
@Thomas Bender
It's not a serial code, you dunce. Those product codes you mentioned were there to show that you had a real serial number. You could enter them in as many times as you wanted, and if you bought the game used, you could still use the code tied to that game.
The issue is that people who buy used or rent will have to pay extra for something that was free.
It's not a serial code, you dunce. Those product codes you mentioned were there to show that you had a real serial number. You could enter them in as many times as you wanted, and if you bought the game used, you could still use the code tied to that game.
The issue is that people who buy used or rent will have to pay extra for something that was free.
Finally, maybe gamestop can finally stop ripping people off with their "used games" prices.. PC has been doing this for years.. How about this people who have an issue with it? Do what I do.. buy games you never plan on selling back to anyone because they are great fucking games. Gamers are so fucking fickle.
flea friend: The issue is that people who buy used or rent will have to pay extra for something that was free.
Really? I pay $50 a year on my xbox to play games online. That's not free my friend. Well did. This is why I buy games I plan online a lot for the ps3 though I am planning on reactiving my xbl account just for SSFIV. seems to have more pros playing there.
Really? I pay $50 a year on my xbox to play games online. That's not free my friend. Well did. This is why I buy games I plan online a lot for the ps3 though I am planning on reactiving my xbl account just for SSFIV. seems to have more pros playing there.
flea friend: The issue is that people who buy used or rent will have to pay extra for something that was free.
Really? I pay $50 a year on my xbox to play games online. That's not free my friend. Well did. This is why I buy games I plan online a lot for the ps3 though I am planning on reactiving my xbl account just for SSFIV. seems to have more pros playing there.
Really? I pay $50 a year on my xbox to play games online. That's not free my friend. Well did. This is why I buy games I plan online a lot for the ps3 though I am planning on reactiving my xbl account just for SSFIV. seems to have more pros playing there.
@Bans
"Really? I pay $50 a year on my xbox to play games online."
True, you pay a fee for Live. However, you don't have to pay a fee to play specific games online. That's that this is; an additional fee for no additional content.
And now, PS3 gamers will have the chance to enjoy paying for online gaming as well.
"Really? I pay $50 a year on my xbox to play games online."
True, you pay a fee for Live. However, you don't have to pay a fee to play specific games online. That's that this is; an additional fee for no additional content.
And now, PS3 gamers will have the chance to enjoy paying for online gaming as well.
@CtMythic Did you seriously just compare piracy to second hand games?
The publisher has ALREADY sold the copy of the game that is being sold second hand, the person who originally bought it has sold it and now someone else is buying it it's still the same copy that the Publisher has already made money from, the vast majority of original buyers aren't copying the game before selling it on.
Piracy directly involves just that, downloading or uploading a copy of a game thus introducing more into the system then the Publisher has sold.
The publisher has ALREADY sold the copy of the game that is being sold second hand, the person who originally bought it has sold it and now someone else is buying it it's still the same copy that the Publisher has already made money from, the vast majority of original buyers aren't copying the game before selling it on.
Piracy directly involves just that, downloading or uploading a copy of a game thus introducing more into the system then the Publisher has sold.
i find it amazing that there are those out there that are defending this move. every day the game industry keeps coming up with more ways to get more money from us.I am truly hoping that it's mostly developers secretly posting on these forums in the guise of the public.
I also find it disturbing that so many people have this attitude that they are better because they buy the games new. I have read countless forums where people declare with such vigor "i buy my games new" well good for you. that fact makes u no better than those that dont have the disposable income to purchase a new game every month.
if this works the next step will be online shooters , racers and every other game they can think of.
companies sell a product and thats it . they aren't entitled to more profit after the fact. if i sell a music cd to a friend i dont owe bmg a cut.
i just would like to think gamers would boycott in mass but i know we wont.
the industry is going to win when downloads become the norm. so untill that day happens stop trying to bleed us.
I also find it disturbing that so many people have this attitude that they are better because they buy the games new. I have read countless forums where people declare with such vigor "i buy my games new" well good for you. that fact makes u no better than those that dont have the disposable income to purchase a new game every month.
if this works the next step will be online shooters , racers and every other game they can think of.
companies sell a product and thats it . they aren't entitled to more profit after the fact. if i sell a music cd to a friend i dont owe bmg a cut.
i just would like to think gamers would boycott in mass but i know we wont.
the industry is going to win when downloads become the norm. so untill that day happens stop trying to bleed us.
I love you post and i want to know more about this game? anybody?
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As someone who actually supports developers and publishers who make the games we play, I love orange county seo that they are either adding incentives to buy games new or taking away privileges from those who don't.
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