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I think what EA said was probably more like 'We don't see a market for this at the moment'. Undisputed then sold well and they thought "Maybe there is a market for this". EA is a faceless moneymaking corporation with shareholders to please, I'm sure they are more interested in potential profit than whether something is a 'real sport'.
This guy is just being a butthurt baby and probably is also conscious of the selling power of a big name or two. This isn't the first time the UFC have been jerks to their fighters is it?
This guy is just being a butthurt baby and probably is also conscious of the selling power of a big name or two. This isn't the first time the UFC have been jerks to their fighters is it?
I think the counterpoint here is blatantly obvious, and just as valid: The UFC doesn't give a **** about video games either. What exactly is Dana's point?
You know what should happen?
Marilyn Manson(read: Brian Warner) should spend years training, then go to the MMA and kick all their asses, and then right songs about how he kicked their asses with Trent Reznor as a kickass "We're Not As Creepy As You Think" comeback tour.
And then the tickets will be free, and everyone gets a free bottle of Cloud 9.
Marilyn Manson(read: Brian Warner) should spend years training, then go to the MMA and kick all their asses, and then right songs about how he kicked their asses with Trent Reznor as a kickass "We're Not As Creepy As You Think" comeback tour.
And then the tickets will be free, and everyone gets a free bottle of Cloud 9.
Actually, UFC does give a **** about video games. Hence the reason they originally approached EA to make a UFC MMA game. It's a way to market your product to a different demographic, I don't see why the UFC wouldn't be interested in video games. Dana White loves money, and a good video game will bring lots of money.
Dana does a great job acting like some of his demographic: jock assholes who were kicked out of school for beating people up.
Maybe one day his PR will slap him across the face and say "this isn't the schoolyard playground: you can't say fuck or faggot every time someone says something bad about you".
Maybe one day his PR will slap him across the face and say "this isn't the schoolyard playground: you can't say fuck or faggot every time someone says something bad about you".
exactly my point. EA loves money, and a good video game will bring lots of money. Therefore, there is no difference between EA and UFC in this context.
I love watching MMA but UFC is overrated Dana White has a huge ego problem. I literally I just watch the fights on UFC, I fast-forward through all of the other nonsense. He loves playing big-boss on fighters careers.
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I don't need 'real' fighters. Just call 'em 'Jungle Gryphon' and 'Jorges Angel McFrenchy'.'Boobo Ortease' vs 'Puke Lidel'.. slap 'em in there, make a better fighting system/menus that don't take 10 mins. to do the simplest of tasks and you'll get some sales.
He has a point, and it's one most gamers should support.
EA don't give a fuck, they want your money. They didn't give a shit about UFC or MMA. Now UFC is making big bucks, Guess whos chiming in.
EA's attitude does not lend itself to good gaming, and as a gamer you should only support games that are made by a team who genuinely like the game they're making, and not one made for money. It's why UFC2010, if it should come out, will be better than MMA.
Dana White definitely rubs people the wrong way and is merciless in his execution and ideals, but he's a business man, His running of the UFC has made it a massive franchise, and the biggest growing business in the world without a shadow of a doubt, He has to be blunt and merciless, he's fighting for the sport of MMA, not himself.
And even beneath that, as the UFC 100 Fan Expo proved, he's actually a decent guy, He genuinely cares about the fans of UFC, to bring them the best quality service and shows that is humanly possible. The reason he does care about the UFC fans is because he himself was a UFC fan back in the early nineties when John McCain was hounding the UFC into extinction. He listens to what the fans want and tries his hardest to get it.
His treatment of EA and the fighters going to the "MMA" game is to protect the UFC.
He's also doing it because he wants UFC fans to get high quality UFC products, with UFC fighters. If he has his fighters ducking out of UFC games because EA are offering more money, it's a pain in the arse for him, and the UFC fans.
He has the power to do this because while WEC and Affliction are good franchises, with some great fighters like Fedor, the UFC is the holy grail of MMA, and it's becoming huge, and all these fighters are in the game to become the best of the best, and recieve the recognition of it, Brock Lesnar gets more recognition for his belt than Fedor because it's a UFC one. Every fighter will want a cut of that action, and if they're getting blacklisted by going to EA, they won't do it.
You can hate Dana White all you want, He's a Merciless Businessman who comes across as a real dick when it comes to UFC business, but he's doing it to give you, the UFC fan, the best show possible, and the best game possible.
EA don't give a fuck, they want your money. They didn't give a shit about UFC or MMA. Now UFC is making big bucks, Guess whos chiming in.
EA's attitude does not lend itself to good gaming, and as a gamer you should only support games that are made by a team who genuinely like the game they're making, and not one made for money. It's why UFC2010, if it should come out, will be better than MMA.
Dana White definitely rubs people the wrong way and is merciless in his execution and ideals, but he's a business man, His running of the UFC has made it a massive franchise, and the biggest growing business in the world without a shadow of a doubt, He has to be blunt and merciless, he's fighting for the sport of MMA, not himself.
And even beneath that, as the UFC 100 Fan Expo proved, he's actually a decent guy, He genuinely cares about the fans of UFC, to bring them the best quality service and shows that is humanly possible. The reason he does care about the UFC fans is because he himself was a UFC fan back in the early nineties when John McCain was hounding the UFC into extinction. He listens to what the fans want and tries his hardest to get it.
His treatment of EA and the fighters going to the "MMA" game is to protect the UFC.
He's also doing it because he wants UFC fans to get high quality UFC products, with UFC fighters. If he has his fighters ducking out of UFC games because EA are offering more money, it's a pain in the arse for him, and the UFC fans.
He has the power to do this because while WEC and Affliction are good franchises, with some great fighters like Fedor, the UFC is the holy grail of MMA, and it's becoming huge, and all these fighters are in the game to become the best of the best, and recieve the recognition of it, Brock Lesnar gets more recognition for his belt than Fedor because it's a UFC one. Every fighter will want a cut of that action, and if they're getting blacklisted by going to EA, they won't do it.
You can hate Dana White all you want, He's a Merciless Businessman who comes across as a real dick when it comes to UFC business, but he's doing it to give you, the UFC fan, the best show possible, and the best game possible.
Dana White is a businessman running the most successful MMA promotion in the states, you really think he's gonna let anything compete with it? Hell he bought Pride when it started getting popular.
Of course he's gonna send out a warning to anyone who wants to in EA MMA game and there's the fact that UFC approached them first for the game and EA refused, now that Undisputed has taken off, EA suddenly wants a piece of the pie, well fuck them, they had their chance.
@Sam Riley
He does that because it brings him and his fighters a lot of money, the thing with Lesnar right now is the best example I can give of being a manager type for him and its paying off with buckets of cash and the highest attendance and buying records they've had in years.
@Magnalon
Then he'll just fire his PR people, he's the OWNER, he can do whatever the fuck he wants, I don't see how jock assholes are his demographic, his demographic is anyone that likes seeing a good fight or up and coming MMA guys who would like a shot at the UFC, Dana's just his money, I don't see why everyone has such a huge problem with it.
Of course he's gonna send out a warning to anyone who wants to in EA MMA game and there's the fact that UFC approached them first for the game and EA refused, now that Undisputed has taken off, EA suddenly wants a piece of the pie, well fuck them, they had their chance.
@Sam Riley
He does that because it brings him and his fighters a lot of money, the thing with Lesnar right now is the best example I can give of being a manager type for him and its paying off with buckets of cash and the highest attendance and buying records they've had in years.
@Magnalon
Then he'll just fire his PR people, he's the OWNER, he can do whatever the fuck he wants, I don't see how jock assholes are his demographic, his demographic is anyone that likes seeing a good fight or up and coming MMA guys who would like a shot at the UFC, Dana's just his money, I don't see why everyone has such a huge problem with it.
My question is; When did he meet with EA?
Before, or after the crap titles that prelude this year...
Before, or after the crap titles that prelude this year...
@Aurain
Perfectly stated. Unlike how many people on this site seem to base their arguments on their own opinions or one sided evidence, you have clearly outlined the situation.
Perfectly stated. Unlike how many people on this site seem to base their arguments on their own opinions or one sided evidence, you have clearly outlined the situation.
Damn some guys on here are having jock beat up flashbacks and others are hating cause he's a boss thats knows how to run a business from debt to profit.
After you wade waist deep in tears and envy, you have no substance in most of these posts.
After you wade waist deep in tears and envy, you have no substance in most of these posts.
@Kyo
I said those people are "some" of his demographic. Watch a few of his "caught on tape" couch-side interviews: they're absolutely horrid, coming from a President of a professional organization. Most of the fighters don't even act like he does.
Vince McMahon is a far better owner than Dana ever will be in my opinion. Vince doesn't make an ass of himself constantly. Oh, and he also puts on a show for his consumers.
I said those people are "some" of his demographic. Watch a few of his "caught on tape" couch-side interviews: they're absolutely horrid, coming from a President of a professional organization. Most of the fighters don't even act like he does.
Vince McMahon is a far better owner than Dana ever will be in my opinion. Vince doesn't make an ass of himself constantly. Oh, and he also puts on a show for his consumers.
Good stuff to White. He's in a position to tell EA screw off and that the UFC doesn't need their money. Especially since EA is in sort of a bind right now. He's not letting his company become contracted to the people who put it down years earlier so why allow them now when they think they can exploit it now?
You know what would be drama?
If EA blatantly came out and said; "No, You Didn't."
That'd be so House.
If EA blatantly came out and said; "No, You Didn't."
That'd be so House.
I admit. I will never buy a MMA OR a UFC game on any system ever. I doubt I would even waste bandwidth downloading one of these games.
what a prick that dana white is. he has taken a beautiful sport and turned it into a vegas side show. being a former pro mma fighter, i'm incensed that he would limit a fighter's ability to provide for himself. dana white has turned my sport into a joke, and i personally hate him for it. fuck you dana white
Ugh, as someone who does martial arts, the UFC is absolutely disgusting. It is a barbaric debasement of traditional martial arts and has more to do with Roman gladiator fights than anything else. I'd be more than happy if the whole sport, along with its gaming tie-ins, just disappeared right off the face of the Earth.
@Banks90 and Psycho terror2.
Thanks for the compliment.
... I'd like to openly admit I'm retarded too though.
Thanks for the compliment.
... I'd like to openly admit I'm retarded too though.
Not a huge fan of Dana White but I like MMA and UFC so every time an MMA related discussion pops up with non-MMA fans, I always find them absolutely hilarious because of the gross stereotypes drawn and the ridiculous back and forth of the, "My sports better than yours!" argument.
With that having been said.
I guarantee that Dana will renege on any blacklisting like say Fedor, Overeem, or any other non-UFC big name fighter. Ultimately finding any A+ talent and denying them a shot at the UFC because of a video game is counterintuitive to the idea of making money.
With that having been said.
I guarantee that Dana will renege on any blacklisting like say Fedor, Overeem, or any other non-UFC big name fighter. Ultimately finding any A+ talent and denying them a shot at the UFC because of a video game is counterintuitive to the idea of making money.
Thedudemjp: Did you just insulate that Rugby was a lesser sport?
My god, I'll have you at the gallows.
My god, I'll have you at the gallows.
It's obvious that Dana White wouldn't blacklist the creme of the opposite factions to the UFC. Randy Couture is already under contract under EA from before "MMA" was announced, Dana won't punish him either, largely because he's a legend in the game.
The fighters who will have to consider their options are the ones who are similar level to Keith Jardine, who in the UFC could make a big push to Championship, or atleast fighting on UFC big event main cards if they get training really seriously. A star of Fedor's level is obviously immune to this blacklisting, because Lesnar vs Fedor would be such a huge cash cow.
The fighters who will have to consider their options are the ones who are similar level to Keith Jardine, who in the UFC could make a big push to Championship, or atleast fighting on UFC big event main cards if they get training really seriously. A star of Fedor's level is obviously immune to this blacklisting, because Lesnar vs Fedor would be such a huge cash cow.
My hat is off to Dana! Taking any business from a $2 Million value to a $1 Billion value deserves loads of street cred. If this was any other sport no one would even question UFC's decision. Could you imagine if NFL players started going out and licensing their own pro football games. The NFL would sue their asses off because they already have an agreement with EA. EA is just trying to ride someone else's coat tails because Madden and NCAA football have reached their peak in sales. EA has to steal other companies material now or they will become second rate to their shareholders....
Go Dana!! He's only stating what most NFL fans were crying when EA took over exclusive rights to NFL games. People may say that Dana is an asshole, but the guy's tenacity and business-savy just earned him 1.3 million buyers in his latest PPV.
Also, loud-mouth Brits getting annihilated...
Also, loud-mouth Brits getting annihilated...
CountingConflict:
HA! That guy just got fucked up, yo!
THQ did a fine job creating a new game. It's the best MMA game to date but it's not without it's heinous faults.
*If* EA can make a better game, all the power to 'em. Regardless of whether or not it has actual fighters, if it makes money, it makes money.
HA! That guy just got fucked up, yo!
THQ did a fine job creating a new game. It's the best MMA game to date but it's not without it's heinous faults.
*If* EA can make a better game, all the power to 'em. Regardless of whether or not it has actual fighters, if it makes money, it makes money.
get the sand out of your vaginas dtoid posters. UFC rules. Dana White rules with an iron fist and he has the most exciting sport today. How would you feel if EA snubbed you, you had a huge hit with UFC '09 and then they try to make a similar game and steal your thunder? More power to him. Plus he'd still sign Fedor. He let Kimbo Slice be in the next Ultimate Fighter.
@CountingConflict: Thank you for that gif!!!
@CountingConflict: Thank you for that gif!!!
Its really got nothing to do with whether MMA is successful. Its to me, that Dana White is an asshole and a bully who thinks the solution to every problem is threatening people.
it also doesn't help that 99% of MMA fighting is about the 30 seconds it takes for either
1: someone to get knocked the fuck out in one punch
or
2: someone to get grabbed into a choke.
it also doesn't help that 99% of MMA fighting is about the 30 seconds it takes for either
1: someone to get knocked the fuck out in one punch
or
2: someone to get grabbed into a choke.
I had been considering getting into watching Mixed Martial Arts, as a lot of the people I know watch it, and I'd like to know what they're talking about. However, over the course of this whole froo-frah (technical term) between EA and UFC, I've learned about the perpetual likeness use agreements UFC forces it's talent to sign, and the fact that once you fight for UFC once, ever, you're forbidden from working for anyone else - and if you do, you're blacklisted.
Dana White is scum. I hope he gets investigated for anti-competitive practices by the Federal Trade Comission, I hope he's found guilty, and I hope he loses his shirt because of the fines. I hope that EA gets deals with DREAM, Pancrase, Strikeforce, and other MMA organizations so fighters who work for those promotions can get publicity without having to sell their souls to the UFC. Because, frankly, I don't want to give UFC my money. I feel their business practices are unfair and unethical. Similarly, I refrained from purchasing EA products while they were engaging in practices that I found unethical as well. Until Dana White and UFC management chooses (or is forced) to relax restrictions on where their workers can or cannot work, and they agree (or are forced) to relax the likeness rights agreements so, for example, UFC fighters get the rights to their likeness back when they leave the company or are fired from the company, I encourage anyone reading this to not purchase any UFC licensed merchandise (including video games), or watch any UFC events (including DVD rentals and purchases), and to write a letter to UFC management explaining why - and to also file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission.
Thank you.
Dana White is scum. I hope he gets investigated for anti-competitive practices by the Federal Trade Comission, I hope he's found guilty, and I hope he loses his shirt because of the fines. I hope that EA gets deals with DREAM, Pancrase, Strikeforce, and other MMA organizations so fighters who work for those promotions can get publicity without having to sell their souls to the UFC. Because, frankly, I don't want to give UFC my money. I feel their business practices are unfair and unethical. Similarly, I refrained from purchasing EA products while they were engaging in practices that I found unethical as well. Until Dana White and UFC management chooses (or is forced) to relax restrictions on where their workers can or cannot work, and they agree (or are forced) to relax the likeness rights agreements so, for example, UFC fighters get the rights to their likeness back when they leave the company or are fired from the company, I encourage anyone reading this to not purchase any UFC licensed merchandise (including video games), or watch any UFC events (including DVD rentals and purchases), and to write a letter to UFC management explaining why - and to also file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission.
Thank you.
He's the boss of an industry made up of people who are used to being the biggest around and getting their way whenever they want it. Think you kind of have to be the biggest control freak asshole around if you want to stay in business for more than a week.
Hope all your boycotts work out for ya. Meanwhile I'll be watching the most entertaining fights in the world today.
I find it hilarious that the guy calling UFC the most entertaining fights in the world,(supposing you consider 30 second grapple into a choke as entertaining) , has a confederate flag for his icon.
@Midgetsnowman
Have you ever watched a single fight in the UFC or any MMA league in general?
Go back to watching anime rather than posting opinions on topics that you know little about.
Have you ever watched a single fight in the UFC or any MMA league in general?
Go back to watching anime rather than posting opinions on topics that you know little about.
Yeah, I gather MIdgetsnowman saw one bad show and thinks that's what everything's like now.
Go watch GSP's latest match for 25 minutes of awesomeness. Hell, watch ANY of his matches and tell me it's all crap.
Go watch GSP's latest match for 25 minutes of awesomeness. Hell, watch ANY of his matches and tell me it's all crap.
I've recently found myself getting into UFC ever since we got a stack of "UFC Best of '08" DVDs sent to our store a while back to give away with UFC Undisputed. It's really a lot more entertaining and technical then I thought it'd be.
As for the topic at hand, I can see where Dana's coming from, though I don't necessarily agree with the way he chooses to handle it. The athletes involved in UFC should be free to do whatever they please, though I realize he is a businessman and should worry about keeping brand recognition and excitement for the UFC name at an all-time high.
As for the topic at hand, I can see where Dana's coming from, though I don't necessarily agree with the way he chooses to handle it. The athletes involved in UFC should be free to do whatever they please, though I realize he is a businessman and should worry about keeping brand recognition and excitement for the UFC name at an all-time high.
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