surf dtoid with 
Rising (10+)
People you follow
* I feel sorry for the guys who work in a game only to see your work fucked for another guy who created this crap DRM.
It's a pain to think how this will encourage people to play cracked copies which will likely pop up in no time without this bullshit DRM.
It won't last. The real question is what games will suffer while they dick around trying to find a new DRM.
This sounds like it could inevetably lead to corrupt save files. What if the game disconnects while it's saving a checkpoint? Y'know, the part where they specifically tell you to turn the game off? Now you don't have a choice.
Yeah, anyway you slice this it just comes up bullshit. This is the reason why many people (myself included) left PC gaming to begin with.
retarded drm is retarded... what collection of assholes could actually approve this? may they all lose their high paying jobs.
Gotta love a business decision to screw PC Gaming and try to force people onto consoles. This comes from a Long Time PC Game lova, who now resides on consoles.
Ubisoft can lick some skank ass brownstar.
Ubisoft can lick some skank ass brownstar.
So now the pirated cracked version will have an advantage over the original copies nice going Ubisoft this will totally stop piracy.
Ubisoft is out if their minds if they actually think this is going to sell or not be instantly cracked on day one, if not before. Putting legit customers under the thumb of oppressive DRM is not going to generate sales. I don't think people would take issue with a single check on install/first use, as that's basically Steam, but this is bullshit.
Steam has it working, fairly, well with it not atleast kicking you out of the program if the connection drops. Still, alot of the Valve games can't be run if the internet is down, and you can't log on to your account, unless you've got the offline mode active.
I can't say I approve of Ubi's method, but I can see why they want it like that. Still, this is no excuse of being a cock about it.
I can't say I approve of Ubi's method, but I can see why they want it like that. Still, this is no excuse of being a cock about it.
This is bullshit, I could torrent a free copy, play it where ever I want, or pay £40 and only play it when I have internet. WTF!!!
This is fucking bullshit. Even people who buy the original game will crack it to get rid of this stupid system.
Nice going Ubisoft.
Nice going Ubisoft.
sorry but i dont really understand how you guys can so be fucking retarded.whjat the fuck do you suggest then? PC gaming is dieing. its as simple as that.
and its because of piracy.
Ubisoft is trying to create something that might be able to actually fight piracy and all you guys do is bash it. "OMG HOW CAN I PLAY THE GAIMZ?!?!?!?! I NEED INTERNET!!"
seriously? wake the fuck up.
and its because of piracy.
Ubisoft is trying to create something that might be able to actually fight piracy and all you guys do is bash it. "OMG HOW CAN I PLAY THE GAIMZ?!?!?!?! I NEED INTERNET!!"
seriously? wake the fuck up.
@eduh
Ubisoft doing this is most definitely not fighting piracy. They can fight it all they like but the reason people pirate games is simply because it's so easy and they can. Using ineffective and annoying methods are counter productive. What else they could do I have no idea, but it is most definitely not this.
Ubisoft doing this is most definitely not fighting piracy. They can fight it all they like but the reason people pirate games is simply because it's so easy and they can. Using ineffective and annoying methods are counter productive. What else they could do I have no idea, but it is most definitely not this.
eduh:
Trying to fight piracy in this way is what is retarded, pal. DRM only ever affects the people who buy the game. If you've pirated it, you've already subverted the DRM. People should not be punished for legally buying a game.
Wake the fuck up.
Trying to fight piracy in this way is what is retarded, pal. DRM only ever affects the people who buy the game. If you've pirated it, you've already subverted the DRM. People should not be punished for legally buying a game.
Wake the fuck up.
@eduh
But some people don't have reliable internet, or internet all the time. I lived in Iowa for two years, and in small towns out there you can only use dial-up, if that. Some of these towns are college towns (albeit small colleges, but still there none the less). Pretty much they can't play games (or at least keep playing them) because of Ubisoft's stupid policy.
What developers need to seriously consider is if there is a correlation with tightening DRM and a decrease in piracy. From what I've seen, this hardly seems to be the case. Spore had crazy DRM and was the most pirated game of all time. So who did the DRM actually effect? The people who bought the game legally.
The fact that pirates and any hardcore gamers just laugh or eyeroll DRM off and then crack their games should be proof enough that DRM doesn't do the job. There are better ways to fight piracy (like, say, Steam?) that aren't completely moronic and intrusive.
But some people don't have reliable internet, or internet all the time. I lived in Iowa for two years, and in small towns out there you can only use dial-up, if that. Some of these towns are college towns (albeit small colleges, but still there none the less). Pretty much they can't play games (or at least keep playing them) because of Ubisoft's stupid policy.
What developers need to seriously consider is if there is a correlation with tightening DRM and a decrease in piracy. From what I've seen, this hardly seems to be the case. Spore had crazy DRM and was the most pirated game of all time. So who did the DRM actually effect? The people who bought the game legally.
The fact that pirates and any hardcore gamers just laugh or eyeroll DRM off and then crack their games should be proof enough that DRM doesn't do the job. There are better ways to fight piracy (like, say, Steam?) that aren't completely moronic and intrusive.
PC gaming isn't dying (Assassin's Creed 2, if this wasn't happening, would just silently appear on the PC), piracy or not. Did piracy/console chipping kill the PS1? Did it kill the PS2? The Xbox? "No" is the answer.
DRM is, however, a vicious cycle. People pirate the game so DRM is added to stop piracy, the pirates crack the DRM and the game is stolen. The next game has stricter DRM to avoid piracy and then that's cracked. It just goes on.
Those who pirate the game because of DRM, IMHO, are making the issue worse and I refuse to take them seriously. If they don't want DRM then they shouldn't pirate the game - It's as simple as that.
DRM is, however, a vicious cycle. People pirate the game so DRM is added to stop piracy, the pirates crack the DRM and the game is stolen. The next game has stricter DRM to avoid piracy and then that's cracked. It just goes on.
Those who pirate the game because of DRM, IMHO, are making the issue worse and I refuse to take them seriously. If they don't want DRM then they shouldn't pirate the game - It's as simple as that.
I approve of this DRM.
Why? Now the High & Mighty PC Elitists can suck a cock.
How's that 'superior platform' workin' out for ya?
And this coming from someone who's first(and favorite, its my avatar FFS!) PC game was Half-Life. Now I game on consoles and DRM isn't even in many of my console-brethren's vocabulary.
Why? Now the High & Mighty PC Elitists can suck a cock.
How's that 'superior platform' workin' out for ya?
And this coming from someone who's first(and favorite, its my avatar FFS!) PC game was Half-Life. Now I game on consoles and DRM isn't even in many of my console-brethren's vocabulary.
This was a game I was considering paying full price for, but not anymore. If they drop this stupid DRM I might be willing to pay full price again, otherwise I'll wait until it is 5-10 bucks on Steam and then use whatever crack is available to play this game without this stupid DRM.
I love Steam, it got me to stop pirating games. Now I just wait for Steam sales. Hell some of the deals are practically stealing without the dirtied conscience.
I love Steam, it got me to stop pirating games. Now I just wait for Steam sales. Hell some of the deals are practically stealing without the dirtied conscience.
Fuck Ubi. I won't buy any of their games if this is the case. It's a shame, too. I really wanted to play BG&E2.
@Rammstein
The platform is still superior. It is the developers fault for putting inferior, hampered software on unquestionably superior hardware.
The platform is still superior. It is the developers fault for putting inferior, hampered software on unquestionably superior hardware.
@coldalarm
"If they don't want DRM then they shouldn't pirate the game - It's as simple as that."
If [the developers] don't want piracy they shouldn't DRM the game - It's as simple as that.
I've always wondered (it may have happened before so please correct me) what would happen nowadays if a large, huge budget game would come out with absolutely no DRM whatsoever. Probably nothing as those that will buy it will buy it. Those who will pirate it will pirate it. DRM doesn't really make much of a difference.
"If they don't want DRM then they shouldn't pirate the game - It's as simple as that."
If [the developers] don't want piracy they shouldn't DRM the game - It's as simple as that.
I've always wondered (it may have happened before so please correct me) what would happen nowadays if a large, huge budget game would come out with absolutely no DRM whatsoever. Probably nothing as those that will buy it will buy it. Those who will pirate it will pirate it. DRM doesn't really make much of a difference.
To all the people who have said and will say this is a reason PC gaming sucks just remember that DRM is slowly but surely making its way into console gaming. Try playing an Xbox arcade game offline on a system that it was not bought on, or try playing a PSN game after 5 installs. Next gen I would not be surprised to see registration for store-bought games or some other nonsense.
As for this DRM I do not like it, it punishes paying customers and continues the nasty trend of attacking customers that the videogame industry seems to love. That said, I am always online... I am never offline... I get like one brief blip in service a month, if that... so this DRM really does not effect me much, and actually I would say it is better than limited activation DRM, espcially if they are promising to patch it out when they shut down the servers.
So... don't like it, but also not a big deal to me.
As for this DRM I do not like it, it punishes paying customers and continues the nasty trend of attacking customers that the videogame industry seems to love. That said, I am always online... I am never offline... I get like one brief blip in service a month, if that... so this DRM really does not effect me much, and actually I would say it is better than limited activation DRM, espcially if they are promising to patch it out when they shut down the servers.
So... don't like it, but also not a big deal to me.
@eduh
Dude would you kindly take you head out of your ass and realize that this method is only encouraging piracy.Even people that have never pirated a game would rather play the cracked game and not have to worry about the session cutting off cause of a bad connection then have problems playing the legit copy and have to worry every time an action sequence takes place.
Dude would you kindly take you head out of your ass and realize that this method is only encouraging piracy.Even people that have never pirated a game would rather play the cracked game and not have to worry about the session cutting off cause of a bad connection then have problems playing the legit copy and have to worry every time an action sequence takes place.
@eduh: your a fucking idiot, your missing the goddamn point retard. No one can have constant access to the internet, so if you wanted to play said crappy console port, then you can't. And all it is going to do is encourage people to either buy it then crack it maybe seed it or people will torrent it cause the DRM will have already been removed.
All this news about constant internet access makes me want to cancel my pre-order for SP: Conviction. God knows its DRM situation won't be any better, and it's price got jacked up to $60.
Any one know any game that i can change my pre-order to? I already have BFBC2 on pre-order :P.
All this news about constant internet access makes me want to cancel my pre-order for SP: Conviction. God knows its DRM situation won't be any better, and it's price got jacked up to $60.
Any one know any game that i can change my pre-order to? I already have BFBC2 on pre-order :P.
Shadowii- A bit off-topic but where did you live in Iowa, and how long ago was it? I ask because I've lived here all of my life, and even small towns here (I'm talking a few hundred people) can at least get DSL, if not cable internet.
@ eduh.
"PC gaming is dieing"
Anytime you find yourself typing PC gaming is dead", you know you're wrong. People have been spouting this off for.. what.. a decade now? Yet, PC gaming goes strong, and is arguably still one of the funnest platforms to play video games on.
Do you really think PC gamers give a shit about Assassin's Creed 2, in general? They have entire genre's that don't exist on consoles tailor made for them. In fact, we should wager a bet right now. I'll bet your Xbox/Ps3/Wii will die before PC gaming does (by die, I mean.. support will cease for it). How much do you want to put down?
"PC gaming is dieing"
Anytime you find yourself typing PC gaming is dead", you know you're wrong. People have been spouting this off for.. what.. a decade now? Yet, PC gaming goes strong, and is arguably still one of the funnest platforms to play video games on.
Do you really think PC gamers give a shit about Assassin's Creed 2, in general? They have entire genre's that don't exist on consoles tailor made for them. In fact, we should wager a bet right now. I'll bet your Xbox/Ps3/Wii will die before PC gaming does (by die, I mean.. support will cease for it). How much do you want to put down?
Any one who would proudly say "I love video games" should understand why such actions are required for pc software titles. PC gaming is a dying breed. I welcome this DRM and hope to see more of it.
Back to "I love video games". The more profitable your favorite games are the more likely you are to see more of them. Since I love video games, I want the creators to piss gold and continue selling me my titles. I want them to have my money. In other words, pirating is your enemy and you should support all efforts to thwart these criminals so you can enjoy your favorite passtime for years to come. RIP Dreamcast.
Back to "I love video games". The more profitable your favorite games are the more likely you are to see more of them. Since I love video games, I want the creators to piss gold and continue selling me my titles. I want them to have my money. In other words, pirating is your enemy and you should support all efforts to thwart these criminals so you can enjoy your favorite passtime for years to come. RIP Dreamcast.
Jim Sterling: there is no other way. people tried everything the past 15 years. you need to go to a new level of protection and thats what Ubisoft is trying to do.
the biggest punishment is that PC gaming is slowly dieing instead of growing like the consoles are. it does nto matter how much DRM free your games are if in 10 years you dont have games to play on your PC. and thats all you should be whining about.
before you cry about this DRM you need to know if it actually works or not. you are assuming it does not work before it has been implemented for no reason at all.
all the big games this past months were available on torrent sites on average a week before being released.(Cod6, ME2, Bioshock2, etc) i dont need to tell you how much that hurts legal sales of the game.
this DRM will at the very least stop that. and thats already a major victory. depending on how well it is implemented it might do a lot more than just delay cracked versions of the game.
the biggest punishment is that PC gaming is slowly dieing instead of growing like the consoles are. it does nto matter how much DRM free your games are if in 10 years you dont have games to play on your PC. and thats all you should be whining about.
before you cry about this DRM you need to know if it actually works or not. you are assuming it does not work before it has been implemented for no reason at all.
all the big games this past months were available on torrent sites on average a week before being released.(Cod6, ME2, Bioshock2, etc) i dont need to tell you how much that hurts legal sales of the game.
this DRM will at the very least stop that. and thats already a major victory. depending on how well it is implemented it might do a lot more than just delay cracked versions of the game.
eduh misses the point, and hits the palm.
This will just push people away from PC gaming and legal purchases.
This will just push people away from PC gaming and legal purchases.
@akathatoneguy
I lived there for two years from 2005-2007. The town in question that was having internet problems was Fayette (by Decorah) in north-eastern Iowa. I was there on my Mormon mission, so I pretty much got tag-teamed to a bunch of smaller towns (Mt. Vernon, Charles City, among others).
I just remember working in Elgin and Fayette and people having really bad internet access. Who knows, it might be better now, but in the towns with only 100ish people the internet was pretty awful. :P
I lived there for two years from 2005-2007. The town in question that was having internet problems was Fayette (by Decorah) in north-eastern Iowa. I was there on my Mormon mission, so I pretty much got tag-teamed to a bunch of smaller towns (Mt. Vernon, Charles City, among others).
I just remember working in Elgin and Fayette and people having really bad internet access. Who knows, it might be better now, but in the towns with only 100ish people the internet was pretty awful. :P
I have no idea what kind of internet connection you guys have, but you might wanna think about upgrading it. in a couple of years with this ISP i only remember losing internet connection once, and it only lasted 5 mins.
people have reasons to play on PC instead of console and its not the need for internet connection that will change that, this is not 1990.
but ye, this can people will prefer pirated versions. too bad that they were not be available if this DRM is properly implemented. its as simple as that.
if this DRM fails and does not reduce piracy significantly then it will be ditched cause its alot of money they are putting in something like this.
either way you win. unless you have no internet connection or a really crappy one.
people have reasons to play on PC instead of console and its not the need for internet connection that will change that, this is not 1990.
but ye, this can people will prefer pirated versions. too bad that they were not be available if this DRM is properly implemented. its as simple as that.
if this DRM fails and does not reduce piracy significantly then it will be ditched cause its alot of money they are putting in something like this.
either way you win. unless you have no internet connection or a really crappy one.
I'm figuring the settlers, ACII, splinter cell, and silent hunter 5 will have this, then they'll drop it. It's just not going to be worth the cost of sales for them to try to cut down on piracy.
Maybe in 10 years when the entire world has mega uber fast, fail-safe internet everywhere (yeah right).
I should've expected such idiocy from Ubisoft.
I should've expected such idiocy from Ubisoft.
@Rammstein
You are a real retard sir ;< Why is it exactly good for you if someone can't play a game if it's for the PC? Sterling has the point, and it's unbeatable (imho).
The devs at Ubi can't think off anything new, so they are forcing their shitty solutions on gamers instead. Can anyone recall Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory?
You are a real retard sir ;< Why is it exactly good for you if someone can't play a game if it's for the PC? Sterling has the point, and it's unbeatable (imho).
The devs at Ubi can't think off anything new, so they are forcing their shitty solutions on gamers instead. Can anyone recall Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory?
I can't find anything redeeming about this totalitarian DRM policy. Why not just release all the games over digital download and make players use Steam's DRM or Direct 2 Drive.
DRM will fail because its doing the opposite efffect that its trying to stop. By making a big deal about piracy, People will do more to get a pirated game just to by pass the DRM.
@eduh
Try to imagine the horrible and unimaginable fact that yet its 2010 there are shitty internet isps and bad internet connections. Maybe you are a lucky person who can't believe this because you live where you live, but it's true. You know there are countries out there in the world wich are poor, or not that advanced as the one you live in.
Oh and for a single player only game (or mainly) why would anyone need any connection?
Try to imagine the horrible and unimaginable fact that yet its 2010 there are shitty internet isps and bad internet connections. Maybe you are a lucky person who can't believe this because you live where you live, but it's true. You know there are countries out there in the world wich are poor, or not that advanced as the one you live in.
Oh and for a single player only game (or mainly) why would anyone need any connection?
I played the first on PC and was debating whether to get the second for the PS3 or PC. Thankfully, Ubi made my decision for me - neither.
Regarding a potential crack for the game, from what I understand, the constant connection isn't just to authenticate the game, but for storage of the saved game.
Depending upon how well they code & encrypt their save data storage, it might be a tough one to crack - or unreliable if it's done. You could potentially capture the data packet and write that to a dummy address mapped to local storage, but if Ubi's smart they'll insert nonsense information as well to be discarded on the server side. [sorry for the TLDR post]
Regarding a potential crack for the game, from what I understand, the constant connection isn't just to authenticate the game, but for storage of the saved game.
Depending upon how well they code & encrypt their save data storage, it might be a tough one to crack - or unreliable if it's done. You could potentially capture the data packet and write that to a dummy address mapped to local storage, but if Ubi's smart they'll insert nonsense information as well to be discarded on the server side. [sorry for the TLDR post]
@eduh
My current internet operates via wireless, and the connection is pretty crappy... my connection is always low and it drops A LOT. It's one of the reason i generally don't bother with games where i need to be online for prolonged periods of time. And quite frankly i don't have the money to get anything better; especially not when i have all kinds of software and hardware i need to get for my work. My connection is crappy, but its always been enough for my needs, most of my PC games are one player and steam has an offline mode that has always worked well for me... though ubisoft demands even more...
It is a FACT that many PC gamers do not have fast and reliable connections, and that you can not find a wireless connection just anywhere... these are the ones that will suffer most from this DRM...
and one question i would ask if it is possible for Ubisoft to patch there games later to work without the DRM... because if they can't or are unwilling to do so, then the downside of this DRM is that for many people ACII will NEVER be playable for them.
My current internet operates via wireless, and the connection is pretty crappy... my connection is always low and it drops A LOT. It's one of the reason i generally don't bother with games where i need to be online for prolonged periods of time. And quite frankly i don't have the money to get anything better; especially not when i have all kinds of software and hardware i need to get for my work. My connection is crappy, but its always been enough for my needs, most of my PC games are one player and steam has an offline mode that has always worked well for me... though ubisoft demands even more...
It is a FACT that many PC gamers do not have fast and reliable connections, and that you can not find a wireless connection just anywhere... these are the ones that will suffer most from this DRM...
and one question i would ask if it is possible for Ubisoft to patch there games later to work without the DRM... because if they can't or are unwilling to do so, then the downside of this DRM is that for many people ACII will NEVER be playable for them.
<i>but ye, this can people will prefer pirated versions. too bad that they were not be available if this DRM is properly implemented. its as simple as that. </i>
What on earth makes you think this will not be cracked? Do you have any idea of the extents which people have gone to to break through every kind of drm there exists to date?
What on earth makes you think this will not be cracked? Do you have any idea of the extents which people have gone to to break through every kind of drm there exists to date?
follow
