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Hmmm, well I can see how this might scare an American publisher into action, but this is the French we're talking about, they've been anti Iraq from the beginning.
BlackSunEmpire: Only idiots are in favor of the Iraq War. Anyone who actually gives a fuck about soldiers would be against it. But of course Ubisoft is against soldiers of any sort because they're French and only like dudes who wave white flags and/or handle the ball in soccer.
Steam's offline mode is broken a ton of the time actually, though I do get his point.
Personally I 1) have a constant internet connection that is very reliable, and 2) want to see piracy stopped dead so I can see PC gaming resurge, so...
I'm fine with this DRM.
Personally I 1) have a constant internet connection that is very reliable, and 2) want to see piracy stopped dead so I can see PC gaming resurge, so...
I'm fine with this DRM.
@StingingVelvet
And I am a huge pc gamer that pays for all of his product, but has an unreliable internet connection because Comcast sucks. So shall I pay this game and help (even marginally) keep the pc gaming resurgance come, and not be able to play because of a consistently dropped connection? Nah, I'll keep my money and spend it somewhere else where they won't fuck me because I'm actually supporting the product. You should apply for a job with them, I'm sure you can help them finish off the PC gaming industry.
(P.S. I currently own 50 some games on steam alone. I didn't start buying them until about 3 months ago, if that gives you an idea of the amount I pc game.
And I am a huge pc gamer that pays for all of his product, but has an unreliable internet connection because Comcast sucks. So shall I pay this game and help (even marginally) keep the pc gaming resurgance come, and not be able to play because of a consistently dropped connection? Nah, I'll keep my money and spend it somewhere else where they won't fuck me because I'm actually supporting the product. You should apply for a job with them, I'm sure you can help them finish off the PC gaming industry.
(P.S. I currently own 50 some games on steam alone. I didn't start buying them until about 3 months ago, if that gives you an idea of the amount I pc game.
@hpv
Sorry, didn't mean to appear pro war, I most definitely think the Americans need to get out. I was more pointing out the French are unlikely to give a fuck about your soldiers
Sorry, didn't mean to appear pro war, I most definitely think the Americans need to get out. I was more pointing out the French are unlikely to give a fuck about your soldiers
@ smerff
I get the anger, but the core point for me is that asking me to have a steady internet connection is not much to ask, because I would have it anyway. For some it is a bigger deal, for me not so much. Let's face it, 90% of PC gamers have relatively stable cable internet all the time, MMOs show people can game that way consistently, it's not exactly like they are asking for something wild and crazy.
If it is a deal breaker for you that is fine, I get it, but it's not for me. You can be as snarky as you like about that, it doesn't change my mind.
My main concern with DRM is playing the games I buy in 20 years when the companies are gone. With AC2 they have said they will patch the DRM out someday, and since they did with Farcry 2 and Dawn of Discovery I believe them. That means my main DRM issue is covered, so I am good.
I get the anger, but the core point for me is that asking me to have a steady internet connection is not much to ask, because I would have it anyway. For some it is a bigger deal, for me not so much. Let's face it, 90% of PC gamers have relatively stable cable internet all the time, MMOs show people can game that way consistently, it's not exactly like they are asking for something wild and crazy.
If it is a deal breaker for you that is fine, I get it, but it's not for me. You can be as snarky as you like about that, it doesn't change my mind.
My main concern with DRM is playing the games I buy in 20 years when the companies are gone. With AC2 they have said they will patch the DRM out someday, and since they did with Farcry 2 and Dawn of Discovery I believe them. That means my main DRM issue is covered, so I am good.
kill the french bastards!!!!
unpatriotic towards america etc etc...
nah just kidding. their DRM simply sucks ass, why don§t they all just take the steam-DRM? it works ok and we ( the PC-gamers ) generally don't bitch about it...
unpatriotic towards america etc etc...
nah just kidding. their DRM simply sucks ass, why don§t they all just take the steam-DRM? it works ok and we ( the PC-gamers ) generally don't bitch about it...
@ mistic
Because Steam was cracked 5 years ago? Because Valve takes 40% of every Steam sale? Because not everyone loves Steam?
Because Steam was cracked 5 years ago? Because Valve takes 40% of every Steam sale? Because not everyone loves Steam?
@StingingVelvet
Last time I checked it appeared that all DRM gets cracked eventually. This DRM will be no different.
I don't see how you can hate steam and not this. At least with steam's DRM your not being thrown through unnecessary hoops that will eventually (and in most cases, very quickly) only hurt customers rather then the pirates it was made to prevent.
Last time I checked it appeared that all DRM gets cracked eventually. This DRM will be no different.
I don't see how you can hate steam and not this. At least with steam's DRM your not being thrown through unnecessary hoops that will eventually (and in most cases, very quickly) only hurt customers rather then the pirates it was made to prevent.
@ ZRB
This DRM will be cracked, but how long will it take? Server side checks on a consistent basis is a hard thing to crack I imagine, and with games like Mass Effect and Riddick 2 taking a couple weeks with only an activation I think Ubisoft might have bought themselves some considerable time.
As for my feelings on Steam it is simple: Steam is a service, "buying" a game on it is just buying a service lifetime membership to that game. I prefer to buy my games in whole, as a point of sale purchase from a store with all the consumer protections that comes with. Is this game plagued with service-like DRM? Yes, but I expect Ubisoft to patch it out as they say they will due to them patching out DRM before, and that makes my purchase a completely owned one at that time. The Steam version will always be a service.
Plus I like boxes.
This DRM will be cracked, but how long will it take? Server side checks on a consistent basis is a hard thing to crack I imagine, and with games like Mass Effect and Riddick 2 taking a couple weeks with only an activation I think Ubisoft might have bought themselves some considerable time.
As for my feelings on Steam it is simple: Steam is a service, "buying" a game on it is just buying a service lifetime membership to that game. I prefer to buy my games in whole, as a point of sale purchase from a store with all the consumer protections that comes with. Is this game plagued with service-like DRM? Yes, but I expect Ubisoft to patch it out as they say they will due to them patching out DRM before, and that makes my purchase a completely owned one at that time. The Steam version will always be a service.
Plus I like boxes.
People should just stop buying UBI PC products. Again as I said before it needs to get out of the PC business as long as the current management thinking is the way it is. It hurts gamers far more than it entertains them.
Ubisoft hates soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen...unless it's the Ghosts we're talking about. Then they can whore them out and feel nothing. Yep. Ubisoft sucks.
Oh, and on behalf of the several Marines I know who are die-hard PC gamers - fuck you Ubi. They're over there doing their job, which, on its best day is worse than your worst day, and you skullfuck them like this. Nice.
Oh, and about the pro-war/anti-war thing...yeah, go ahead and tell the service men and women around the world that they're idiots for supporting the war in the way they do (it's not so much pro-war, as it's something they feel needs done), but go ahead and tell them, I'll be waiting to see how long it takes you to hit the floor and apologize.
Oh, and on behalf of the several Marines I know who are die-hard PC gamers - fuck you Ubi. They're over there doing their job, which, on its best day is worse than your worst day, and you skullfuck them like this. Nice.
Oh, and about the pro-war/anti-war thing...yeah, go ahead and tell the service men and women around the world that they're idiots for supporting the war in the way they do (it's not so much pro-war, as it's something they feel needs done), but go ahead and tell them, I'll be waiting to see how long it takes you to hit the floor and apologize.
Punish legit players for the failings of non-legit players.
This is the mantra that made RuneScape an unplayable fucking mess.
This is the mantra that made RuneScape an unplayable fucking mess.
well, I guess they hate blacks too since the African American population disproportionately has less access to broadband....
the soldiers need to learn that DRM hates all consumers and cuts across all lines
the soldiers need to learn that DRM hates all consumers and cuts across all lines
This kind of nonsense only hurts loyal customers, and alienates them even more, why bother expending 60$ in a videogame and being forced to have an stable internet connection in order to enjoy your very own game ?. If anything, this only creates new pirates. It's plain simple, if the user ins unhappy he won't buy the product or any future product for that matter, Ubisoft fails to see that the solution is offer competitive prices and more benefits to the user, not the other way around. Take Team Fortress 2 for example.
This is absolutely _HILARIOUS_
The ones with great internet who won't have problems with this are the guys who are going to pirate it in any case.
The ones with great internet who won't have problems with this are the guys who are going to pirate it in any case.
@Sexualchocolate
Just wait, DRM is coming to consoles. They want to remove the ability to trade in used games. EA's "original buyer" DLC is just the beginning. Single use keys and DRM is the next logical step to associate your games with one account, and make you the only one who can use that $60 purchase.
Just wait, DRM is coming to consoles. They want to remove the ability to trade in used games. EA's "original buyer" DLC is just the beginning. Single use keys and DRM is the next logical step to associate your games with one account, and make you the only one who can use that $60 purchase.
@StingingVelvet
Well any PC gamer who doesn't love STEAM obviously has rather intense dementia and thus their opinions are not reliable.
Well any PC gamer who doesn't love STEAM obviously has rather intense dementia and thus their opinions are not reliable.
@kefkaesque
True that. Although I do remember a time when half of PC gamers hated Steam, mostly because the service was still new and most people had crappy DSL connections. Hell, I remember when I hated Steam. :P
True that. Although I do remember a time when half of PC gamers hated Steam, mostly because the service was still new and most people had crappy DSL connections. Hell, I remember when I hated Steam. :P
@ NOR3MORS3
DRM already is on consoles for download games and DLC, it's only a matter of time until it is there for the full retail games themselves. I would honestly be shocked if the next generation of consoles did not have a Steamworks-like setup where you register the game to your gamertag.
@ kefkaesque
Obviously, how silly of me!
DRM already is on consoles for download games and DLC, it's only a matter of time until it is there for the full retail games themselves. I would honestly be shocked if the next generation of consoles did not have a Steamworks-like setup where you register the game to your gamertag.
@ kefkaesque
Obviously, how silly of me!
@ Dr Face Doctor
I don't HATE Steam, I buy my download-only games on it and I buy games with Steam DRM. I just choose the other options when they are available, for multiple reasons.
1) Less DRM
2) No client to run
3) Point of sale purchase consumer protection
4) I like boxes and manuals
I am sure there are more, but those are the core reasons. There are a lot of people who agree with me, they're just not commenting where you read I guess. Check out gog.com's forum, or any competitor's forum really. Tons of Steam hate there.
The annoying thing for me is that my main issue with Steam is something most Steam fans never think about. I say things like "well you don't own any of these, you only bought access in a service, whereas buying a physical copy has no such technical limitations" and people go "wha? DUDE STEAM DEALS!"
Frustrating.
Anyway, the cool thing about PC gaming is that it uses an open platform, so you can choose the more restrictive Steam enviornment if you like and I can choose not to use it and everyone is happy.
I don't HATE Steam, I buy my download-only games on it and I buy games with Steam DRM. I just choose the other options when they are available, for multiple reasons.
1) Less DRM
2) No client to run
3) Point of sale purchase consumer protection
4) I like boxes and manuals
I am sure there are more, but those are the core reasons. There are a lot of people who agree with me, they're just not commenting where you read I guess. Check out gog.com's forum, or any competitor's forum really. Tons of Steam hate there.
The annoying thing for me is that my main issue with Steam is something most Steam fans never think about. I say things like "well you don't own any of these, you only bought access in a service, whereas buying a physical copy has no such technical limitations" and people go "wha? DUDE STEAM DEALS!"
Frustrating.
Anyway, the cool thing about PC gaming is that it uses an open platform, so you can choose the more restrictive Steam enviornment if you like and I can choose not to use it and everyone is happy.
This pretty much confirms in my mind that ubisoft are terrorists.
If you aren't supporting the troops you are against them. ubisoft = terrorism.
If you aren't supporting the troops you are against them. ubisoft = terrorism.
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