If they port their normal games to the wii it means making them again from scratch because the wii is so different to the other consoles. Its not going to be worth completly making those games again just to see them not sell because people are either casual gamers or have a 360/ps3 for the better version.

Ubisoft will have to make different games for the wii, its not that shocking.

casual games sell well in the same way that big macs sell well. it doesnt mean that theyre better, or that we should strive to feast on nothing but casual games and casual burgers. we still need our gourmet shit ya big douche!

Good luck trying to defend utterly shit games Ubisoft. The Wii is trying to do what the NES did in the 80s - appeal to everyone - why this is so hard to understand I don't know. The truth is that Ubisoft think that casual games means no effort or quality, that's because they're morons, GTA, Mario Galaxy, Halo are all casual games in terms of cross and mass appeal. Casual is just a word, what it really means is non specific appeal, rather like Pixar movies or The Simpsons.

If Ubisoft or any other third party wants to make money on Wii then give it some fucking respect, put your best teams to work on it. Can Ubisoft point out one single third party exclusive triple A title which has bombed on the Wii? No. Why? Because there is no god damn third party exclusive triple A title on Wii.

Create a Wii exclusive with the budget and development talent of your best 360 effortrs, try and match the effort Nintendo put into their Wii games, if that game then flops then you might have a point Ubisoft, but defending ports, Babyz and Dogz is a fucking joke and an insult to people just getting into gaming and even worse for those who have been gamers longer than your fucking company existed. Tossers.

I call bull. So FPSs won't sell on the Wii, Ubi? Well, what about your own Red Steel, a mediocre shooter that had already sold a million copies by early 2007- which, as it so happens, is the same amount that your precious Rabbids 'casual' game sold. You don't want to put in the effort, then you'll suffer the consequences. That's the way the market works.

At least they didn't announce any more 3-year-old ports.

Oh so the console companies that once were in the PC marketing are not betraying their followers to move on to the Nintendo grandma' fad? Ubisoft you sirs are nothing but fucking rats, enjoy your big fat fail sandwich, I for one will not bail you out when you crawl back to FPS and realize Nintendo does good cause ITS NINTENDO and knows, a lot better than you imagine, how to get that "new casual market".

Beyond stupid! This term casual gamer is a joke i mean i consider my housemates casual gamers. Because they wont sit and play through a game religiously but are more than happy to jump in for some multiplayer or at a push a bit or rainy day gaming.

However I do not consider the new wave of wii fan boys who enjoy bouncing or waggling with way to much enthusiamsm to the wii gimick of the week to be casual infact i consider these people easliy led idiots.

Good. I was looking forward to more awful games, and now Ubisoft can focus on making them for me. Thanks guys!

Casuals and the French.

What a marrage made in hell.

You know, they say those games, don't sell, but how many have tried? And how do they define bad sales? 100k? 200k? I thought that was good! Sure it's not a million, but have these companies gotten so greedy and wasted their money so much on a fluff polygon count that they NEED to sell a million?

Also Zardoz, I don't know the EXACT definition of a AAA title since that term gets thrown around, but last I checked Zack and Wiki had high review scores, as did Boom Blox and NMH. {troll} But Ubi didn't make that game, which is why it critically as good as it was {/troll}

Sorry, I can't stand those guys. They seem to have the worst attitudes of any developer I've ever read about.

{rant} So Fuck you guys, because you know what? You just made the poor assumption that the only people who buy Wii's are parents of kids. Back to THAT old "Nintendo iz for teh kiddiez" bullshit. Well I'm 27, and I like Nintendo games. I also like games with color in them so I don't buy your Rainbow Six or your Splinter Cell because it looks like every old "Real is Brown" nonsense most of these Western developers shit out. But I don't want Imagine Babiezzzzzzzzz. I want something else that can be fun and engrossing that DOES NOT FORCE WAGGLE. A little color would be good too. {/rant}

For those not getting the hate, I will explain: The Wii is the number one selling home console on the planet, with simple odds this means that it has the most diverse and broadest market share, there is no logic whatsoever in deciding that a broad market somehow equates to shit games, therefore there is absolutely no justification in Ubisoft's shameless shovelware.

The whole "Wii owners represent a different kind of consumer which justifies shit games" argument is totally wrong and misjudged. Even if every single Wii owner was a soccer mum then the software sold to these people who are prepared to by your products, should still be of significant quality. As a producer of any entertainment you should take pride in your products and always aim for high quality no matter who you are selling to, consumers are consumers and a seasoned gamers £40 is worth no more than a newcomers £40. The fact that many seasoned gamers are also part of the Wii market just proves that even if we go for the extreme soccer mum example there is still a huge consumer base which doubly prove Ubisoft to be wrong.

The games industry really needs to grow up and recognise what is happening, it is not the death of gaming at all, in fact quite the opposite, more people will be playing more variety of games all of which can and should be quality products. All this does is put the games industry in line with ALL other digital media and entertainment, where film studios, mobile phone manufacturers, music studios and so on, always try to sell their products to the broadest market possible, they actively want as many people as possible to buy their products.

Strangely Ubisoft are basically saying that they don't want to sell more software because they don't take the Wii market seriously, they are saying "We only want money from people who we identify as serious gamers, there's a huge untapped market and we don't want their money and prefer to shit on them."

That is an absolutely absurd attitude and could ultimately cost them future stability.

I can understand where Ubisoft is coming from however they need to support the gamers who brought them where they are today!

Sure the money is in people who buy a game every few months but what about the people who support them? Advertise them? Go bat shit about their new stuff? Seriously. They should be happy that their casual market is doing well but upset that the normal gamer is sad to see less hard titles.

Think back a few years and remember what we called casual games like the stuff Ubi soft is working on now.

Shovelware.

Its only a fast buck if you're first to the market, because what these non-gamer gamers lack in taste, they also lack in attention span for derivative BS. These people won't need a sequal to Wii Sports, let alone a dozen knock-offs of it.

Which means that soon some company is going to put to many eggs in the casual game basket, only to find their target demo already has all the Wii games they ever wanted to own, and that company will fall so far below its annual projections that it will collapse or sell out to a bigger company.

Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsence.

"Brain Training/Wii Fit/Mario Party"

That's funny, those are all Nintendo games.

Explain to me then why Ubisoft gave its best core game support and its best core games lastgen to the PS2 - the weakest console of that generation yet the most popular?

Explain to me then why Ubisoft gave its best core game support and its best core games in the gen before last to the PS1 - the weakest console of that generation yet the most popular? Hmmm???

You had no problem giving all of your groundbreaking games to the PS2 with no shaders, no Hard Drive, no High Definition, et cetera.

I want to see every major core franchise like Assassin's Creed and H.A.W.K. on the Wii with no compromises period!!! No excuses1!! Stop being two-lipped?

What will Ubisoft do when the Wii sells 50 million, then 100 million, et ceta? Will you still not give your best NextGen games to the Wii?

Wii is the console leader and it should be treated as such.

Why should the Wii be treated differently than the PS2, PS1 and SNES were in previous generations?

All those listed were the weakest consoles of their generation yet sold the most and got the best 3rd party support. Wii deserves the same.

What happens when the Wii sells 40 million, then 60 million, then 100 million? Will it still be treated as a 3rd-rate console?

Watch Ubisoft come crawling back to the Wii.

The market has spoken. It's not that the Wii is too weak, it's that the 360 and PS3 are too powerful and thus too expensive for their own good.

The 360 and PS3 are the 3DO and CDi of this generation.

HDTV penetration is so low in the United States, Japan and Europe that HD graphics don't matter. Good games do.

The Wii is console leader and Ubisoft must oblige or be left in the dust.

Make the Wii the main SKU for all your future console games and I will care it fair Ubisoft.

During the 6th gen consoles, the PS2 was far weaker than the Gamecube and Xbox yet was teh main SKU.

During 5th gen consoles, the PS1 was far weaker than the Sega Dreamcast and the Ninendo 64 yet was the main SKU.

Make it happen Ubisoft or else!!!

Wii is the home console leader and victor this generation.

Treat the Wii like the console leader and make it the main SKU for all your future console games.

Port from the Wii to the PS3 and 360 and not the other way around.

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You owe us Ubisoft. We want H.A.W.K. We want Far Cry 2. We want Assassins Creed. We want the NextGen Prince of Persia. Wii owners deserve all of those games. If you can make Assassins Creed for the DS you can make one for Wii. Make it the same as the 360 version only at 480p. Stop being lazy.

Wii want Brothers in Arms - Hell's Highway not some cheap Xbox port with no multiplayer whatsoever.

The Gamecube Beyond and Evil was a port of the PS2 version.

The Wii is worldwide market console leader in all regions of the world.

http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=508

As you did with the PS2 and then ported to the 360 and PS3, make all your games on the Wii first and formost and port to the 360, PC and PS3.

Wii is the new PS2 and the PS1 and like the PS2 and PS1 you should be making all your AAA games for it first and foremost.

The market has spoken. Consumer's aren't stupid, they won't guy your Dogz and Babyz garbage.

Ubisoft has been sliding down into the shitter for a little while now. With this attitude, I'm beginning to care less and less about whether the company goes to hell or not. The fucking casual market makes them a ton of money, but that market is fickle. They want to stay in business long-term, they're going to need us. They better not fucking forget it.

I would also just like to say that as a day-one Wii owner, I bought a lot of Ubi titles early on. FarCray, Red Steel, RRR, Blazing Angels... and they were all shit. Even when they tried to develop "core" games for the Wii, they never really put an ounce of effort into it.

So... Fuck 'em.

So what 3rd party developer is going to make a AAA, big-budget shooter, sandbox or driving game for the Wii?

Ubisoft is off the list appently. EA is giving us low-budget garbage and casualware (Boom Blox). Capcom is giving us ports (Resident Evil 0) and niche games (Zack and Wiki) and low-budget Rail Shooters (Umbrella Chronicles0

You see if a developer like Rockstar was to take the 100 million dollars they spent on GTA IV and instead make a AAA Wii game, they'd make a better, bigger game faster and get more return on investment than otherwise.

I know you can't see this Ubisoft, but right now I'm giving you the middle finger and signed the petition. Thanks for all of your dirty ports, mediocre original games, sequels and lame spin-offs. God knows the Wii and DS could use more lazy,greedy,cheap and ignorant developers and publishers like you.

You know it's sad when the best Wii game that has come out of Ubisoft wasn't even made by it, but simply published by it. That good game being Grasshopper Manufacture's No More Heroes.

I bought a Wii, because I couldn't afford a PC able to run a non-existent PC game. Look I have Wii and a PS3, but a lot of people don't. They bought the only console they could afford, a Wii, and they expect to get their money's worth.

A lot of people bought only the SNES, only a PS1, only a PS2 and got their moneys worth. With consoles as expensive as they are, coupled with rising prices of food, gas and other goods and services, it's not feasible for most to own two or more CurrentGen consoles.

The SNES, PS1, PS2 and Wii are mass-market products, the PS3, 360 and Wii are niche gaming platforms. Why do you think that it? Cost and accessibility.

For those who are complaining that third parties don't spend as high a budget on Wii titles as they do on PS3/360 games, that's because they don't need to. More graphic power and detail means spending lots more money on development. A 100 million dollar Wii title would be retardedly excessive.

Awesome titles like No More Heroes and Zack & Wiki (and I suspect Boom Blox will follow suit) may not sell as well as Nintendo's first party titles, but a large part of the problem is marketing. Have you ever seen a tv commercial for any of those games? When publishers don't bother to get the word out on their products, the only thing they have to blame for less then blockbuster sales is themselves.

Equal treatment? Do you honestly think game companies give a damn about equal treatment? They care about making money. Sure, the developers care about putting about a quality game, but the publishers in charge of the purse strings look at the bottom line. And sadly, right now the "Nintendo is for teh kiddies/shovelware casual games = printing money" attitude amongst publishers seems to be the most common. Mainly because the game quality isn't there, or they fuck up on the promotion of great titles. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Third-party Wii games don't do well because publishers convince themselves they won't, so they do things half-assed.

Rockstar isn't going to make a 100 million dollar GTA-style game on Wii. Simply because there's no chance in hell that it would push nearly the number of units that it would on 360 or PS3. The technology just isn't there to support it. The huge leap backwards from GTA IV would inspire far more laughter than sales. I love my Wii, but what you're suggesting is crazy talk dude, sorry. It's the sort of system that needs to focus on doing what the others can't, not trying to emulate it's more powerful brothers.

Of course the Wii sales numbers of a GTA IV style game would outsell either the PS3/PS3 versions. How many PS2 owners who bought GTA III, Vice City, Vice City Stories, San Andreas, San Andreas Stories bought a Wii? Lots.

The Wii's hardcore gamer base is growing by the day. There will be a huge backlash and EA, Ubisoft, Take-Two and others will feel the hurt in their wallets.

Thw PS2 was the most casual console ever released yet all the big games made it onto the platform. How is the Wii any different?

Didn't many non-gamers or new-gamers buy a PS1 or PS2 or SNES or NES? Sure they did. Wii is no different.

Maybe they're being criticized and not selling as many units because their titles often lack any sort of evolution over their past iterations (I'm looking at you Splinter Cell and Rainbow Six) or their new series get so overhyped that there's no way of ever living up to it or the legit criticisms against them (Assassin's Creed, ahem).

Or, ya know, it could be the supposed paradigm shift in the industry. Yeah, that has to be it. No way it could be their fault.

Sorry Jim, but for the Wii its kind of a case of you get what you paid for. People who buy the Wii aren't going to pay for this kind of stuff. To start a trend of good games for the Wii, Nintendo needs to do more than just regurgitate old franchises (SSBB LOOKING AT YOU) , they need to give developers more confidence about the market for good and unique games and to ease normal consumers into it. The likelihood of this happening unfortunately is rather low. Oh well, I'll be enjoying my NGII and MGS4 while my unfortunate friends who bought a Wii will be stuck with WiiFit.