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no you ESPECIALLY don't want to rent it either. rentals will still cost you $10 to play as well for this UPlay shit. i'd love if everybody just boycotted all these sneaky bullshit tactics, but i know nobody will (left4dead2 pussies i mean you) and just cave in and buy them cause their friends have them. i'd be great if someday the game companies backed down because everybody grows a pair and says "NO you douches, NO"
I would definitely be in full support of games that lack online play and come at a cheaper price. Tired of paying 60 dollars for a single player mode when nowadays, companies are devoting more and more resources to multiplayer crap
Hang on lemme pop this popcorn for the forthcoming rage.
Because people think they have to pay ten bucks even though the new copies come with one.
Fucking babies
Because people think they have to pay ten bucks even though the new copies come with one.
Fucking babies
I don't see how spending 55 USD on a used copy of a recent title, while adding another 10 dollars for online activation is a "ripoff". You're only charging 5 more dollars, really. UPlay is a FREE service, and it has been since the release of Shawn White Snowboarding, this is an entirely new service being used by a stupid Publisher to make sure that they don't feel cheated out of Used game sales.
Again, maybe it's just me who thinks ten dollars ain't no thing for my games. And to be blunt, Ubisoft's roster of Online games are only this, Ass Creed Revvinupmahboner, Ghost Recon Future Soldier & (rumored) Rayman Oirgins. GR is the only online game I want. So there, no skin off of my bones.
Again, maybe it's just me who thinks ten dollars ain't no thing for my games. And to be blunt, Ubisoft's roster of Online games are only this, Ass Creed Revvinupmahboner, Ghost Recon Future Soldier & (rumored) Rayman Oirgins. GR is the only online game I want. So there, no skin off of my bones.
The only real ripoff online passes are from Resistance 3, MK9, FEAR3, Homefront, & others that are worth 15 fucking dollars. Totally unessecary there. Ubisoft did it right by placing it in the 10 dollar mark.
Epic has it right, you idiots that think this will impact NEW purchases are retarded. This only affects the MINORITY who buy used. If you rent games you likely aren't going to care about multiplayer or would have bought it NEW in which case...(repeat)
I love watching all the retards crying in the comments when this topic comes up and as Epic said, brb, /popcorn.
I love watching all the retards crying in the comments when this topic comes up and as Epic said, brb, /popcorn.
The only real ripoff is online passes in general. There is no real financial need for them, publishers have never once come up with any numbers to support a financial need for them, and it is a move that will in no way benefit gamers on any level.
Supporting online passes is no different than supporting day 1 DLC. Their only purpose is to create new revenue streams using existing product, without having to offer anything more for the price. Gamers will again shoulder the financial burden of an industry who cant keep its costs in check despite undeniably strong growth in the market as a whole. The more money gaming makes, the more money publishers want from us, and I cant understand why any gamer would support that.
Supporting online passes is no different than supporting day 1 DLC. Their only purpose is to create new revenue streams using existing product, without having to offer anything more for the price. Gamers will again shoulder the financial burden of an industry who cant keep its costs in check despite undeniably strong growth in the market as a whole. The more money gaming makes, the more money publishers want from us, and I cant understand why any gamer would support that.
That said there ARE some problems with the online pass system. It only works for one profile, so if you have family or friends who want to pay your game online, they have to pay 10 dollars, even if you bought the game new. That may also apply to problems where you have to make a new profile, or any other problems like that. Also there's the issue of when games get older and it is hard to actually buy the game new. I personally would be pissed if I bought an older game used, and bought an online pass to play online, only to find that nobody else is playing it, and the game's servers are scheduled to be shutting down in a month (but hey, I think online gaming is a huge waste of time anyway). What bugs me the most though is that this is YET ANOTHER douchebag move that game companies pull, and they do it slowly so people don't notice that they are becoming more and more ripped off. I'm still mad about Microsoft raising the price of gold to 60 dollars, even though it doesn't affect me. It makes me sad that other people raged for a day or two and then gave in, like all other douchebag moves that companies are doing this generation.
How often are anti-used game people going to fall back on the fallacious "used games are $55" argument? You have internet access. You can't pretend the only place to buy used games is Gamestop.
Reward those who buy new (like EA did once with extra DLC), don't punish those who buy used (online pass).
@Rammstein, Epic
No one thinks this is on new games, this is about being forced to buy the game one way or getting fucked out of content because of it. I have not paid 60 dollars for a game in the longest time, nor will I. That is too much money to ask for the half assed effort and bugged out games we tend to get from most publishers.
They want to give us these recyclable cases, an almost non existent booklet with black and white pages that will make thing cheaper for them but still charge 'us' 60 dollars for a game. Then add this kind of shit on top of it is ridiculous.
So before bitching about complaining maybe you should actually understand why people are upset instead of making shit up.
No one thinks this is on new games, this is about being forced to buy the game one way or getting fucked out of content because of it. I have not paid 60 dollars for a game in the longest time, nor will I. That is too much money to ask for the half assed effort and bugged out games we tend to get from most publishers.
They want to give us these recyclable cases, an almost non existent booklet with black and white pages that will make thing cheaper for them but still charge 'us' 60 dollars for a game. Then add this kind of shit on top of it is ridiculous.
So before bitching about complaining maybe you should actually understand why people are upset instead of making shit up.
The real problem with this trend is that they're not rewarding new buyers with anything they didn't already get for free in the past.
All they're doing is punishing second-hand customers, which is the wrong way to go about things.
We need incentives to buy new, NOT disincentives to buy used.
All they're doing is punishing second-hand customers, which is the wrong way to go about things.
We need incentives to buy new, NOT disincentives to buy used.
Imagine if the automotive industry was like this. You buy a new car, then you find out there's a subscription if you want to see information such as distance driven and fuel consumption, and if you bought the car used, you have to pay the manufacturer 15% of the car's full price to use things like AC and radio.
Also, no matter how shitty the car, it will always cost as much as the better ones.
Wouldn't that be grand?
Also, no matter how shitty the car, it will always cost as much as the better ones.
Wouldn't that be grand?
The fact that I have 3 gamers in my house is why this ticks me off quite a bit. Granted, I'll buy two copies of big title games (like Gears of War 2), one for myself and one for my daughter or son. This enables us to enjoy the multiplayer when we want without complications of having to wait for the other to finish. But I can't afford to purchase two of every game we'll be playing. So if I want to purchase one copy I'm limited to that one-time code, which means if my daughter or son wants to play they need to use my console and my profile. As much as I'd hate to see the price of games go past $60, I'd rather be charged up front for ALL content to be used AS I want.
I understand that developers and (to a lesser degree) publishers should get money for the amount of effort they put into making and distributing games, but Online Passes -for what they are now- is a crude way of doing it.
-Why do devs/publishers need to come up with ways to restrict existing core functionality instead of creating genuinely additional incentives? Instead of forcing something that could split an online community (you're gonna need as many users as you can get unless you're COD) and potential DLC buyers, why not offer 10%to 15% off coupons for upcoming games/DLC from the same publisher?
-The PSVita, 3DS, iPhone, Android, and other mobile devices are around. Why don't they offer free games or apps with new games, or offer shared functionality on mobile devices with new console games?
-If they're gonna stick with Online Passes, maybe they should be a bit more flexible with the approach. Instead of one-time use codes, how about codes with 3 or 4 limited uses? How about offering 3 or 4 uses for $15-$20 as a bundle in online stores (for families with multiple accounts), or even letting GameStop pay for codes to give used-game buyers before they leave the store?
-Instead of every single publisher offering their own separate Online Pass, they should consider coming up with a single streamlined attempt that requires less of a hassle on the user-end. And at least consider coming up with a way to transfer online passes between consoles, something that can only be done 6-12 months after the last transfer.
-And the final idea: How about dealing with used games on the retailer end of things since they're providing that kind of market, and not bring used sales politics down to consumer-level. The publishers are providing exclusive pre-order bonuses for the same retailer who made the used-games practice pretty much what it is today, they should have the balls to confront them on providing such content with no deal on used-games sales.
-Why do devs/publishers need to come up with ways to restrict existing core functionality instead of creating genuinely additional incentives? Instead of forcing something that could split an online community (you're gonna need as many users as you can get unless you're COD) and potential DLC buyers, why not offer 10%to 15% off coupons for upcoming games/DLC from the same publisher?
-The PSVita, 3DS, iPhone, Android, and other mobile devices are around. Why don't they offer free games or apps with new games, or offer shared functionality on mobile devices with new console games?
-If they're gonna stick with Online Passes, maybe they should be a bit more flexible with the approach. Instead of one-time use codes, how about codes with 3 or 4 limited uses? How about offering 3 or 4 uses for $15-$20 as a bundle in online stores (for families with multiple accounts), or even letting GameStop pay for codes to give used-game buyers before they leave the store?
-Instead of every single publisher offering their own separate Online Pass, they should consider coming up with a single streamlined attempt that requires less of a hassle on the user-end. And at least consider coming up with a way to transfer online passes between consoles, something that can only be done 6-12 months after the last transfer.
-And the final idea: How about dealing with used games on the retailer end of things since they're providing that kind of market, and not bring used sales politics down to consumer-level. The publishers are providing exclusive pre-order bonuses for the same retailer who made the used-games practice pretty much what it is today, they should have the balls to confront them on providing such content with no deal on used-games sales.
jesus why dont they just fucking charge 100 dollars per fucking game might as well fuck us up the ass right away
dude fuck EA and Ubisoft
dude fuck EA and Ubisoft
@Sanious: "I have not paid 60 dollars for a game in the longest time, nor will I."
I suppose you think all games should be free, right? Since, you know, COMMUNISMS&STUFF!
Name one single instance where you are being forced to buy for $60? Are you retarded? I haven't paid $60 for a new game in a LONG time, where do you get the idea that all new games sold after day one require you to pay $60? Again, are you retarded, or just slow? I just got L.A. Noire for the cheap price of $40 on Amazon, minus the $20 credit I had on there from previous purchases, making L.A. Noire $19.99. TOTAL. NEW.
If L.A. Noire had an online pass, I would have still gotten it packed inside the game. For $20 total. So then, tell me again how this magically forces you to pay $60 for every game? It doesn't, you're just the same as the type of douche that tries to justify piracy.
I suppose you think all games should be free, right? Since, you know, COMMUNISMS&STUFF!
Name one single instance where you are being forced to buy for $60? Are you retarded? I haven't paid $60 for a new game in a LONG time, where do you get the idea that all new games sold after day one require you to pay $60? Again, are you retarded, or just slow? I just got L.A. Noire for the cheap price of $40 on Amazon, minus the $20 credit I had on there from previous purchases, making L.A. Noire $19.99. TOTAL. NEW.
If L.A. Noire had an online pass, I would have still gotten it packed inside the game. For $20 total. So then, tell me again how this magically forces you to pay $60 for every game? It doesn't, you're just the same as the type of douche that tries to justify piracy.
Ok the Online passes idea is stupid, If me and my bro share the same games... I have to pay 10 bux more for the freakin multiplayer for both?... Fuck off Ubi...
@janoDX: If you and your 'bro' SHARE games, YOU can't play at the same time as him. If he wanted to play it so bad, he could have bought his own copy, or just play on your console. Stop being overly dramatic.
Gamers these days are such spoiled, bratty children.
Gamers these days are such spoiled, bratty children.
All games shouldnt be free but a majority should be cheaper due to not having the same production values, or even worse, just being utter crap, than the well done games. But we are forced to pay $60 bucks for everything, be it a piece of crap or a work of art. It would be nice if both types balanced each other out, but for every work of art there are 30 pieces of crap that developers and publishers expect us to pay $60 bucks for. That is why I won't ever back milking used sales in this manner.
@Rammstein
Get off your high horse, youre the only acting childish. If you can afford to buy everything you want new, congrats. That doesnt give you the right to talk down to us poor povs for simply expecting our games to function as they always have.
Get off your high horse, youre the only acting childish. If you can afford to buy everything you want new, congrats. That doesnt give you the right to talk down to us poor povs for simply expecting our games to function as they always have.
"Because people think they have to pay ten bucks even though the new copies come with one.
Fucking babies"
QFT
Fucking babies"
QFT
If it was like a pass to access all the DLC, I'd be totallly fine with it... But if consumers who bought the game used had to pay 10$ for a few extras, and the buy DLC, no way I'm on this boat and I'd just have to wait for a price drop !
Same reason I didn't buy NFS:shift 2. All this is doing is stopping me from buying games. Sorry Publishers, I'm not made of money. 60 dollar game + DLC and now online pass penalty if I want to get a good deal used? I might as well just wait until the price goes down and all the DLC comes out. I'll get the game and the DLC for the price of a new game.
Publishers can count me out of their bottom line because it usually takes me a year or even 3 years to buy a game, especially if you are forcing me to buy new. And it hurts the online community as well. less people online that should be.
Publishers can count me out of their bottom line because it usually takes me a year or even 3 years to buy a game, especially if you are forcing me to buy new. And it hurts the online community as well. less people online that should be.
Pricks eh, no point being a dick asshole. See, us complainers know how to call people names too.
This hurts the game industry in one huge way, if everybody is forced to buy all their games new, they use up the game budget faster. Game budget goes faster, fewer games get bought. Fewer games get bought, the developers who actually deserve our money have a harder time getting their games recognized. Many games only get a big enough fan base to make a sequel due to used sales bringing in more fans, but the flashy new games soaking up the cash through cheap gimicks like this hurt the creative small companies.
Have you ever wondered how 99 percent of the time its those giant publishers fighting us gamers, not the small studio's, not the larger studio's..... its the big publishers, and a couple of big game makers. Small fry developers realize that used sales and word of mouth get their games noticed, and allow them to make a much larger profit on their next game.
The major point of this entire debate though is this, as long as "ALL" games cost $60, good ones, bad ones, sad ones, happy ones, short ones, long ones, and so on, then game fans will keep fighting against money grabs like this one.
This hurts the game industry in one huge way, if everybody is forced to buy all their games new, they use up the game budget faster. Game budget goes faster, fewer games get bought. Fewer games get bought, the developers who actually deserve our money have a harder time getting their games recognized. Many games only get a big enough fan base to make a sequel due to used sales bringing in more fans, but the flashy new games soaking up the cash through cheap gimicks like this hurt the creative small companies.
Have you ever wondered how 99 percent of the time its those giant publishers fighting us gamers, not the small studio's, not the larger studio's..... its the big publishers, and a couple of big game makers. Small fry developers realize that used sales and word of mouth get their games noticed, and allow them to make a much larger profit on their next game.
The major point of this entire debate though is this, as long as "ALL" games cost $60, good ones, bad ones, sad ones, happy ones, short ones, long ones, and so on, then game fans will keep fighting against money grabs like this one.
People who hate it when other people complain about something that they themselves are apathetic towards: stop complaining about people complaining. Just because you're content with getting hammered in the ass by the company who doesn't care about you, the customer, doesn't mean other people are. If anyone needs to shut up, it's you. For wasting space in the comments, for wasting our time, and for wasting our air with your uselessness. Cry more, cry baby.
How about just $10 less anyway? $60 is still insane for gaming, especially when most games are getting shorter and cutting content.
Well it eather means no one is going to buy it.
or
all used copys will automatically loose $10 value
I hope this is just for the "serious" games
or
all used copys will automatically loose $10 value
I hope this is just for the "serious" games
@rammstein
Get back to me when you can learn how to read and understand what I actually said and stop acting like a fucking child.
-I never suggested that games should be free.
-I never said new games require you to pay $60
-Thanks for throwing a tantrum and giving an example as to how one doesn't need to buy games for $60. Clearly I already know these things cause I said I don't buy games for $60.
My point was that publishers go about ways to try and force you to pay full price for a game because they want as much money as they can squeeze out of you. So, once again, learn how to read before you keep making yourself look like an idiot.
Get back to me when you can learn how to read and understand what I actually said and stop acting like a fucking child.
-I never suggested that games should be free.
-I never said new games require you to pay $60
-Thanks for throwing a tantrum and giving an example as to how one doesn't need to buy games for $60. Clearly I already know these things cause I said I don't buy games for $60.
My point was that publishers go about ways to try and force you to pay full price for a game because they want as much money as they can squeeze out of you. So, once again, learn how to read before you keep making yourself look like an idiot.
I love all these arguments make: like how they'll sell less games and how they'll "squeeze" all they can out of us, etc. etc.
1. Economics is economics. If the price is too high to maximize profit, it will go down. If anything, used games distort this process rather than help it along.
2. Every dollar that goes to Gamestop is a dollar that is either missing from your wallet or from your favorite game producer's budget. That means less money for you or less content from your producer. It's actually quite straightforward if you actually think about it. Gamestop is just a pit we all throw our money into which does nothing for the gaming industry.
3. If only there were some sort of service that made used game sales impossible. You know a service that has dominated a whole platform for a generation, then we could see the effect.
*cough*Steam*cough*
1. Economics is economics. If the price is too high to maximize profit, it will go down. If anything, used games distort this process rather than help it along.
2. Every dollar that goes to Gamestop is a dollar that is either missing from your wallet or from your favorite game producer's budget. That means less money for you or less content from your producer. It's actually quite straightforward if you actually think about it. Gamestop is just a pit we all throw our money into which does nothing for the gaming industry.
3. If only there were some sort of service that made used game sales impossible. You know a service that has dominated a whole platform for a generation, then we could see the effect.
*cough*Steam*cough*
Just buy new for $5 more.? I couldn't really justify buying used since it doesn't support the developer and the savings are negligible.
I think this is a great idea, they see no money from a used game sale; why not give an incentive to buying a new copy instead... your supporting the dev's for making the games you love to play, your f@cking them in the a$$ when you rent and buy used games... come on ppl. buy new games !!!
as a british gamer, we get more boned than the US when it comes to price, fact. a new top line game will usually set you back £45 ($75), and buying pre-owned a month after release may knock it down to £30 ($48), and adding a online pass which would more likely be a round figure like £10 (more than likely) would make bying the game used redundant. yes, in part it is due to the fact that i dont earn a lot of money and have other things that are more important, but the used games industry does keep things like game server population up and word of mouth spread about how good the game is. when you buy a new xbox game you normally get a 48hour pass as well, something you dont get pre-owned.
it is unfortunate that the publishers feel the need to double-dip on the consumer market, as they have already made the money form the origanal sale and 'need' (used sacasticly) to earn money from an otherwise blackhole market. its like buying a car for instance, and not being able to use the AC, radio and electric windows.
as a side note, i know that the publishers dont like the pre-owned market and want to have a way that makes money from it, i know that they only give a shit about new sales and so do a lot of you apparently, but the poor man shouldnt be punished for the publishers not trying to work with the pre-owned markets and skipping over them and crushing us.
it is unfortunate that the publishers feel the need to double-dip on the consumer market, as they have already made the money form the origanal sale and 'need' (used sacasticly) to earn money from an otherwise blackhole market. its like buying a car for instance, and not being able to use the AC, radio and electric windows.
as a side note, i know that the publishers dont like the pre-owned market and want to have a way that makes money from it, i know that they only give a shit about new sales and so do a lot of you apparently, but the poor man shouldnt be punished for the publishers not trying to work with the pre-owned markets and skipping over them and crushing us.
I don't really see anything wrong with this initiative myself. It seems like a reasonable way for the game dev company to get SOME money from used sales, rather than it all going into the game store.
On the other hand, it's quite retarded when the price is ridiculous and means there is nearly no point buying used - it's one thing getting some money for used sales, but another trying to kill used sales by forcing you to pay the same amount for the game regardless.
On the other hand, it's quite retarded when the price is ridiculous and means there is nearly no point buying used - it's one thing getting some money for used sales, but another trying to kill used sales by forcing you to pay the same amount for the game regardless.
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