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tri-Ace: Sega is more open to RPG ideas than Square Enix photo

tri-Ace is usually known for its collaborations with Square Enix, so it was quite surprising to see the studio jump into bed with Sega for End of Eternity, its latest stupidly-named RPG full of floppy-haired boy heroes. I've not seen many new RPG ideas come from the studio recently, but if you believe tri-Ace, that may be more the fault of Square Enix.

"Because SEGA has a more open attitude towards accepting new RPG ideas than Square Enix, we'd decided to have SEGA release End of Eternity," explains game director Takayuki Suguro. He doesn't extrapolate on that, or provide examples of Square Enix holding his team back, but it's quite an interesting thing to say.

I'm still highly skeptical of tri-Ace, as nothing I've seen from the studio in the past few years has impressed me. So far, End of Eternity doesn't exactly look fresh, so I'll be interested to see what it is about the game that's such a "new" idea, Square Enix wouldn't back it. It's called End of Eternity, for crying out loud. You'd think Squenix would have welcomed a name like that with open arms.

Whatever the case, if I play this game and find it's yet another emotastic, by-the-numbers RPG with the usual stock characters and dreary plot, I'll remember what Suguro said about new ideas.








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EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 11:44
EternalDeathSlayer
I must admit, Square's RPGs have gotten increasingly stale over the last few years.

By stale I mean they suck cock.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 11:48
wanderingpixel
I just hope that Sega does a better job at marketing RPGs then they do Wii games.
kjohnson1585's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 11:51
kjohnson1585
I actually have little to no desire for the next FF game.

What we NEED up in dis bitch is another Parasite Eve-like game (sans the sequel). Hell, I'll even take that one game where you play that boy with mental powers and can freeze/burn/levitate your enemies.
Ironknight's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 11:56
Ironknight
Sega has been doing a great job on the DS in terms of RPGs and it does seem that square doesn't want to be a Rpg developer but the Activision of the east
Losari's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 11:57
Losari
A Square-Enix-rejected Tri-ace-produced Sega-published RPG?
I'll pass.
@EternalDeathSlayer: I agree.

@Square-Enix: Make me a new Xenogears and ChronoCross.
M-Extra's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 11:59
M-Extra
@ kjohnson1585 : Psychonauts? Isn't a sequel to that being made?
MellowBunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:01
MellowBunny
If I want some really good games I go to Level 5 games.

They're pretty much the next SqaureEnix.
CallMeRotten's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:07
CallMeRotten
@EternalDeathSlayer: I've felt the same way since FF8.
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:07
DF
I'm not really looking forward to FF13, and I didn't get into KH at all. What else does Square have to offer? Not that this game is gonna be on a system I have...=P
kjohnson1585's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:19
kjohnson1585
@M-Extra: Not Psychonaus... I can't remember the title, but the first level had you escaping the lab where they were experimenting on you. The second was your house, the third was some hotel where other crazies with mental powers were chasing you.

You had to pick up tubes of stuff to maintain your abilities.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:21
Phoenix Gamma
Well, Sega is the home of Skies of Arcadia and Valkyria Chronicles, so I don't think their statement is total BS.
TheEvilV's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:23
TheEvilV
Well, Sega did come out with Valkyrie Chronicles and it is one of the better rpg's that I have played in a long time. But I haven't played any Square Enix recently, so I really can't speak on them. Only time will tell with this next one from sega!
EggmaniMN's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:23
EggmaniMN
kjohnson - It's called Galerians. Galerians Ash came out for PS2 and was god awful. The original PSX title was actually a great alternative to RE1 though.
ViciousBoston's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:25
ViciousBoston
Level 5 has been producing some quality games. I hope there is another developer (aside square enix) who can take over this RPG crown. I respect Square, not Enix. Square had some amazing games that made my time indoors fun as a kid. Maybe if Square gets the picture to work on 1-2 games at a time and not 5-8 we'd get a quality RPG again that dosen't take 6 years to make.

Please Square, after VS XIII take some time off and work on two things: Kingdom Hearts III and Final Fantasy 7.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:42
Gen Eric Gui
Funny enough, several of S-E's more recent collosal flops have come from...Tri-Ace! They are not the developer they were in the PS1 days, that's for absolutely sure.
Kaalinn's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 12:56
Kaalinn
Oddly enough the best RPG I've played last year was a Square-Enix one.
Namely The Last Remnant, which apparently not only is far below the general gaming publics and gaming medias radar but, for reasons uncomprehensible to me, has a pretty low rating on MetaCritic.

I'm attributing that to its' slow start (which will be all the typical reviewer will see) and the fact that it actually cherishes complexity in its' combat system, as opposed to the dumbed down stuff we get nowadays.

It broke several RPG clichees, did many many things right that other JRPGs always do wrong, it had basically anti-grinding mechanics, almost forcing you to NOT grind, it was original and fresh unlike the almost always identical frame of a Final Fantasy. It literally was to JRPGs what Mass Effect was to western RPGs. Yet for some reason, even in this article and discussion, just isn't brought up.
kjohnson1585's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:00
kjohnson1585
Eggman, thanks for that! Also, thanks for letting me know to avoid the sequel.
Nogarda's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:10
Nogarda
Sega has given us some amazing originals. but sadly it fails hard on delivering on sequels when fans are almost clamboring for them. exhibit a: shenmue 3. yes your honour technically SEGA tried to call it 'Free Reactive Eyes Entertainment' a.k.a FREE but its possibly the number 1 fan antisipated game, sure lots of this caring population have all but given up, theres many fans out there who remain silent. others would include skies of arcadia 2, Azel 2 or panzer dragoon saga 2 of Azel trying to free Edge the previous games antagonist from the cluthes of the tower. But it seems SEGA has blown so much money from chasing sony and nintendo in the old 'console wars' and recently trying to develop a good 3d sonic game it could of been raking in a tidy profit with a dual console release of the games listed above and other ingenious rpg's and games only it has the balls to create at times. [samba di amigo] no one who wasn't high or drunk on sake would of touched that other than SEGA, because SEGA are awesome.
dip's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:10
dip
@CallMeRotten: lol, seriously? What's the last really good game Level 5 produced? Even the Dark Cloud games which I really enjoyed were admittedly nothing more than "decent" and White Knight Chronicles is a boring, generic piece of shit.
MuddBstrd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:13
MuddBstrd
I find it absolutely hilarious that tri-Ace is saying that Square-Enix isn't open to fresh ideas. The last two Star Ocean games from tri-Ace are practically studies in RPG cliches and uninventive gameplay. The cast of Star Ocean: The Last Hope was an unmitigated disaster of the most annoying RPG stereotypes in history.
ViewFinder's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:18
ViewFinder
As far as EoE/RoF goes with gameplay it looks pretty damn fresh to me, yet there's still 16-year-old naive blue eyed blond boys saving the world but what can you o?
stevenxonward's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:24
stevenxonward
@dip Rogue Galaxy and Dragon Quest 8 were great games. Dragon Quest 9 will probably be good, and their upcoming Studio Ghibli collab for The Another World looks pretty awesome as well.

Square published Radiata Stories for tri-Ace. That was an interesting game.
Blue Odeyssey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:24
Blue Odeyssey
Im sorry but those of you complaining about games such as Infinite Undiscovery and Star Ocean don't know a good RPG when it hits them, both of these games (Developed by Tri Ace) are masterpieces, maybe not on the same level as the Final Fantasy series but they are still excellent games. Most JRPGs nowadays are generic and cliche but thats half the fun of them, even if the story is predictable and cheesy it still a damn sight better than the other 90% of storylines available in other genres. Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
Kaalinn im not sure what you've been eating but im interested to know why you liked The Last Remnant so much as I thought that was the worst one this generation.
Kaalinn's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:40
Kaalinn
@Blue

I liked TLR for a lot of reasons, most of which could be boiled down to "innovation", "originality" or "being different".
The characters while still in pretty cliché roles (young guy growing up without parents, young noble etc) didn't act that terribly cliché, and most of all they didn't suffer from plot blindness. Rush is a bit dense, but still a whole of a lot smarter than the average RPG character, since he can figure out "Hey if x then that means y!" or "If they do z maybe they're working towards b!". It had a bunch of non-standard characters too, especially Emma, who ,as a woman over 40, probably is the only "adult" badass in RPGs lately. The whole slew of so many unique leader characters with their own personal sidequests and personalities also is a big point.

Then there's the combat system, from the aggro pull system to the combat itself, a tactical layer to it, morale, context and situation sensitive commands, customizeable action pools and the Critical system which actually gives you a way to influence combat instead of just "watching" the execution.

Then there's the fact that it's an original IP with wonderful settings, story and soundtrack. I generally like original IPs a lot more, preferring Mass Effect and Jade Empire over KOTOR by far.

That's a bunch of the reasons, there's more but this is already way too long and derailing I guess.
mascot1063's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 13:48
mascot1063
@ViciousBoston - Are you kidding? Look at Dragon Quest 8! I think that was the only great game Square Enix was able to shovel out. And even though I dislike remakes, the other DQ games are the only Square Enix games I play. I can't even consider why it is that everyone thinks that Enix is holding Square back when it was obvious the company was going into the shitter before the merger.

Look at Final Fantasy X. "OH MY GOD! I LOVE FINAL FANTASY X! IT WAS SAD! IT WAS SO CUTE YADDA YADDA YADD!" It was garbage. And then what about there newer games? All Square side games. Kingdom Hearts 2? Garbage! Tree of Mana? Garbage! And You say they need to focus on Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy 7! Final fantasy 7? REALLY? Is that all people care about anymore? As good as that game is (i hated it) let the game die! It's been rimmed and raped to the core! Advent Children, Derge of Cerberus, Crisis Core (all of them sucked) because people can't get over the fact that they think Final Fantasy 7 was the greatest game of all time. I think that title belongs to FF6, but I wish to leave FF6 as is! Leave poor Final Fantasy 7 alone, and appreciate what it is.

FUCKING MOVE ON!

@Square Enix - You guys fucking suck, and you always will untill you get your shit in gear. But I don't see that happening. So I will stay with my NIS, XSeed, and Atlus.
Shoop's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 15:34
Shoop
tri-Ace's console games have sucked a lot lately, but Valkyrie Profile DS was really, really good.

So that department should make more games and they should fire everyone else >_>'
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 16:23
HiddenAHB
Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, It's A Wonderful World, do you think these names are better than End of Eternity?
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 18:50
lewness
Good God, I thought that screen was from Final Fantasy IX (I swear there was a scene in Alexandria similar to that. And yes, the cobblestones). Ah, FFIX.
Danielzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 19:11
Danielzilla
@lewness

Really. You thought that was Final Fantasy IX? You thought that game that looks nothing like Final Fantasy IX was FFIX? Was it the characters that don't look like the stylized characters from FFIX that made you think that or the graphics that are a thousand times better than an FMV from a PS1 game?
Danielzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 19:16
Danielzilla
Also, do you think Japanese game sites make "witty" comments about Western Games and how all the "Short haired muscle bound idiots in military fatigues" in the ten thousand military FPS game or the lack of originality in including so many "black guys" in sports games?
feliponz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 19:16
feliponz
@mascot1063: Amen, brother!
Seriously, how can people ask for originality from Squeenix and then ask for FF7 at the same time? C'mon now.
You know how you make a JRPG original? You stop making the main character a whiny little bitch. It's THAT easy! Imagine the possibilities! How about a tough main character, for once? Or a crippled 10-yr old boy? Or a Moogle! I'll definitely play a game starring MOG!
I understand Weeaboos salivating over yet another Final Fantasy (I was a FF enthusiast until FFX, that game killed the series for me), but what I don't get is how the japanese aren't sick of the same games over and over.
Anyone feel the same way as I do?
KrazyKraut's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 19:37
KrazyKraut
"jumped into bed with Sega..." Sex and the RPGs lulz
mascot1063's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2009 22:28
mascot1063
@feliponz

This is why I enjoy Dragon Quest. Because the main character isn't a whiny bitch. He is the silent hero. This is also the reason that Final Fantasy 9 was a breath of fresh air. The main character was spunky and humerous. He was also a womanizer. These emo characters are getting annoying (granted, I did like FF8) and they need to be made more scarce.
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